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islesfan
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Who is more culpable for the embarrassment that the Knicks have become over the last 4 years and with no end in sight?
Isiah Thomas
Stephon Marbury
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franco12
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11/13/2007  12:22 PM
sorry- isles- you need to put dolan on this poll.
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11/13/2007  12:23 PM
That's simple. It's cleary Isiah, he brought this imbecile of a PG here !
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11/13/2007  12:24 PM
Posted by franco12:

sorry- isles- you need to put dolan on this poll.
LOL. Dolan by a landslide
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islesfan
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11/13/2007  12:29 PM
Posted by franco12:

sorry- isles- you need to put dolan on this poll.

I would have included him but you can't get rid of the owner.

Plus, the owner gave Isiah free reign to do what he wanted. Some naive people are going to say that Dolan wanted to "win now", but even though they weren't winning, Dolan did nothing but support Isiah. And what owner is going to say "I really want to suck this year"? No matter what you think of Dolan, and I'm sure we all can't stand him, he wasn't the one who made these moves. Isiah did. If they had a competent GM and Team President, like Colangelo or RC Buford, do you think the Knicks are in as bad a shape as they are now?
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11/13/2007  12:29 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by franco12:

sorry- isles- you need to put dolan on this poll.
LOL. Dolan by a landslide

So you don't find Isiah or Marbury culpable for any of this? That's interesting.
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11/13/2007  12:43 PM
I agree that neither Isiah nor Marbury is to blame for this mess.

It's the collective fault of many people:

Layden, Chaney, Eisley, Anderson, Weatherspoon, Van Horn, Wilkins & Brown.

Not to mention the Knicks have suffered injuries.

And the fans have booed them.

Given all that adversity, I'd say Isiah and Stephon have done a fantastic job.
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11/13/2007  12:44 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by franco12:

sorry- isles- you need to put dolan on this poll.
LOL. Dolan by a landslide

So you don't find Isiah or Marbury culpable for any of this? That's interesting.
Wasn't the question "Who is more culpable?" I think that poll with a question like that is incomplete without Dolan listed with one of those.
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11/13/2007  12:44 PM
and the nba scheduled too many getaway games.
islesfan
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11/13/2007  12:48 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by franco12:

sorry- isles- you need to put dolan on this poll.
LOL. Dolan by a landslide

So you don't find Isiah or Marbury culpable for any of this? That's interesting.
Wasn't the question "Who is more culpable?" I think that poll with a question like that is incomplete without Dolan listed with one of those.

Why? Should I include Charles Dolan for putting his idiot son in charge? How about cable subscribers for subscribing to cablevision and making it possible for Charles to buy the Knicks and then putting his idiot son in charge?
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11/13/2007  12:49 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by franco12:

sorry- isles- you need to put dolan on this poll.
LOL. Dolan by a landslide

So you don't find Isiah or Marbury culpable for any of this? That's interesting.
Wasn't the question "Who is more culpable?" I think that poll with a question like that is incomplete without Dolan listed with one of those.

Why? Should I include Charles Dolan for putting his idiot son in charge? How about cable subscribers for subscribing to cablevision and making it possible for Charles to buy the Knicks and then putting his idiot son in charge?
No. Just Jim Dolan.
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11/13/2007  12:51 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by franco12:

sorry- isles- you need to put dolan on this poll.
LOL. Dolan by a landslide

So you don't find Isiah or Marbury culpable for any of this? That's interesting.
Wasn't the question "Who is more culpable?" I think that poll with a question like that is incomplete without Dolan listed with one of those.

Why? Should I include Charles Dolan for putting his idiot son in charge? How about cable subscribers for subscribing to cablevision and making it possible for Charles to buy the Knicks and then putting his idiot son in charge?
No. Just Jim Dolan.

For what? Letting Isiah do what he wants?

How about this, if James Dolan is going to choose somebody else to blame, which person is more culpable and worthy of that blame: Isiah or Marbury?

Happy?
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11/13/2007  1:18 PM
Dolan by a landslide. I don't even care about Marbury or Isiah because they can be replaced and the team will still suck until Dolan's gone (probably 30+ years from now).
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11/13/2007  1:21 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Dolan by a landslide. I don't even care about Marbury or Isiah because they can be replaced and the team will still suck until Dolan's gone (probably 30+ years from now).

I hate Dolan as much as the next guy but do you honestly believe that the Knicks are this embarrassing if he had hired Colangelo or Buford instead of Isiah?
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11/13/2007  1:25 PM
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11/13/2007  1:30 PM
I've given this some more thought, and I think a massive asteroid is more culpable.
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11/13/2007  1:34 PM
maybe we can ask herb williams when he's introduced as the coach next monday.
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11/13/2007  1:37 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Dolan by a landslide. I don't even care about Marbury or Isiah because they can be replaced and the team will still suck until Dolan's gone (probably 30+ years from now).

I hate Dolan as much as the next guy but do you honestly believe that the Knicks are this embarrassing if he had hired Colangelo or Buford instead of Isiah?

They'd never take a job working under Dolan
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11/13/2007  1:39 PM
President Bush. Hands down. I mean do you think its a coincidence that the last time we went to the playoffs was the year we went into Iraq? I don't think so.
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11/13/2007  2:14 PM
Posted by islesfan:

For what? Letting Isiah do what he wants?
You are on the right track but its stuff like that which makes Dolan the most culpable.
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islesfan
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11/13/2007  2:22 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by islesfan:

For what? Letting Isiah do what he wants?
You are on the right track but its stuff like that which makes Dolan the most culpable.

So when Steinbrenner gave Cashman greater autonomy than any other GM he has ever had, that made George more culpable? George always has a "win now" mandate as well but you don't see people blaming George for moves Cashman makes, like Pavano or Igawa.
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