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BRIGGS
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11/11/2007  10:18 AM
We see a team with potential but certainly missing somemthing that makes teams special

Here are some facts

We lack speed on the perimeter both straightaway and laterally.
We lack guard depth and the one\'s we have are not consistent or in one case--age may be catching up with one player a bit. Without good, consistent two way guard play--the whole season will be up and down and we WILL be vulnerable to long losing streaks if we lose either of the starters
The frontcourt has looked good for the most part. I think D Lee needs more minutes--I think Randolph Morris should be afforded spot duty. It was dissapointing to see Curry get eaten up by Howard. Last year Curry was noticeably stronger and bigger and now Howard looks like he can physically manhandle him.
The 3 position is just OK. If we could morph Q and balkman--we might have something. Margin forerror is small
To many TO\'s and I think that may continue with the way JC handles
If guards dont play well--it\'s likely we lose and lose big.

I think to match up well against higher tier teams we must improve both the 2-3 positions and make sure D lee Randolph and Curry are very close in minutes play combined. Id like to see us integrate Chandler Balkman and Collins asap and see if we can get some help for another gun like delonte west.
I think in summary it\'s a team with potential yet not good enough tothink it\'s ready to win much more than 41 games max. I think we have to believe we are still in the rebuilding stage at that guys like Marbury Q Richardson and Malik Rose are phased out and the guys I mentioned are phased in with one potnetial trade to stabilize our? backcourt.
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11/11/2007  10:28 AM
Faiur assessment. Disagree about Howard manhandling Curry (dont know what you were watching.) Howard outquicked Curry on the offensive end but needed help defensively.

As far as our guards are concerened, we will live and die by them. If they play well, we will be in most ball-games, if they struggle we lose. We definitely need a fourth guard.

The sf spot is out weakest right now. Isiah needs to go atleast 9 deep. The starters are playing too many minutes right now which could lead to guys getting worn down, down the stretch or God-forbid injuries. Would like to see Chandler and Morris get spot duty minutes and Balk slide into the starting lineup at the three. He compliments Zach and Curry defensively more so than Q.
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11/11/2007  10:30 AM
We still suck. You spend $90 million/yr and you starphuck for seven years, you should have much more to show for than a team competing for the 8th seed.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-11-2007 10:31 AM]
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11/11/2007  10:43 AM
I think Isiah is doing things right. He's being more deliberate and slow. By limiting the rotation he's able to see more accurately what he's getting from each player and in the end I think he'll be able to make better decisions with the roster. We have help on the bench, but he's going slow with that for now and i agree. I do however want to see Mardy get some PT. I think he's the missing part we need to help the defense and settle things down when we aren't getting any stops. When you put him out there with Balkman and Lee, they seem to play much better together. They cover more ground more quickly and that leads to better D.

Down the line having Jared will help too. I know that he's not a guy who many have faith in, but there are certain matchups he would be useful for. Jones is also a decent defensive replacement for spot minutes. Morris is hard to figure. I think he should get a shot tho. We know that this team is gonna score well on most nights, it's getting some more stops that will really make the difference. I fully expect the rotation to go to 9-10 men on the road trip.
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11/11/2007  12:02 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

We still suck. You spend $90 million/yr and you starphuck for seven years, you should have much more to show for than a team competing for the 8th seed.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-11-2007 10:31 AM]

Bonn - you are so blinded by your redundant (and tired) playing of the "starphuck" card that you have missed how the Knicks roster philosophy has changed for the better.

Perspective

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11/11/2007  12:12 PM
What happened to all the hand-wringing over Eddy and Zach not being compatible in the same frontcourt because they would clash in the paint?

What we have seen is Quentin has lost a step and is totally reliant on his three-pointer.

We have seen more home victories in November than we had in the first two months of 2006

We have seen Nate settle down and Eddy smile.

We have heard The Garden faithful care again.

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11/11/2007  1:24 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I think Isiah is doing things right. He's being more deliberate and slow. By limiting the rotation he's able to see more accurately what he's getting from each player and in the end I think he'll be able to make better decisions with the roster. We have help on the bench, but he's going slow with that for now and i agree. I do however want to see Mardy get some PT. I think he's the missing part we need to help the defense and settle things down when we aren't getting any stops. When you put him out there with Balkman and Lee, they seem to play much better together. They cover more ground more quickly and that leads to better D.

Down the line having Jared will help too. I know that he's not a guy who many have faith in, but there are certain matchups he would be useful for. Jones is also a decent defensive replacement for spot minutes. Morris is hard to figure. I think he should get a shot tho. We know that this team is gonna score well on most nights, it's getting some more stops that will really make the difference. I fully expect the rotation to go to 9-10 men on the road trip.

I think Isiah is doing things right.

True. He always did right. Regardless of what he did.
He is... innocent.
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11/11/2007  1:35 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I think Isiah is doing things right. He's being more deliberate and slow. By limiting the rotation he's able to see more accurately what he's getting from each player and in the end I think he'll be able to make better decisions with the roster. We have help on the bench, but he's going slow with that for now and i agree. I do however want to see Mardy get some PT. I think he's the missing part we need to help the defense and settle things down when we aren't getting any stops. When you put him out there with Balkman and Lee, they seem to play much better together. They cover more ground more quickly and that leads to better D.

Down the line having Jared will help too. I know that he's not a guy who many have faith in, but there are certain matchups he would be useful for. Jones is also a decent defensive replacement for spot minutes. Morris is hard to figure. I think he should get a shot tho. We know that this team is gonna score well on most nights, it's getting some more stops that will really make the difference. I fully expect the rotation to go to 9-10 men on the road trip.

isiah is playing 8-9 guys b/c he is desperate. i don't think there's any more analysis needed. the guy feels the pressure to win right away so he's only playing his best guys. he's coaching these games like it's the playoffs.
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11/11/2007  2:08 PM
DJ email me and I agree IT has to get off to a great start.
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11/11/2007  2:41 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

Isiah is playing 8-9 guys b/c he is desperate. i don't think there's any more analysis needed. the guy feels the pressure to win right away so he's only playing his best guys. he's coaching these games like it's the playoffs.
there is no doubt that he must be feeling a great deal of pressure to win, Ive said it a million times and I think its a good thing because I want to win. I dont think the 8 man rotation is necessarily a reflection of that pressure though.

Which guys would he play if he werent feeling pressure?
I think Jared Jefferies will play when he returns, but I'd be hard pressed to find another guy on the roster that I'd say definitely ought to be playing. Maybe Mardy or Fred Jones, not both but one of them, instead of Nate (who I still think is expendable). Maybe Randolph Morris, but when do rookie bigs ever play unless they are superstars or on a lottery team?
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11/11/2007  3:13 PM
I think Orlando set the blue print for defeating our Knicks and the rest of the league will follow suit. The key for them was playing Curry straight up in the post. Once they did that in the second half their fortunes changed. So teams that have an Adonal Foyal type that can hold his own dfensively and give a little offensively will be able to defeat us. Teams that don't will be victims.
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11/11/2007  4:52 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

We still suck. You spend $90 million/yr and you starphuck for seven years, you should have much more to show for than a team competing for the 8th seed.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-11-2007 10:31 AM]

this falls squarely on Dolan- if he had gotten Isiah in here and told him to blow up the roster, instead of our cap, we'd have had the same results, but the team would be in a position to compete for a championship.

There is one thing Isiah does well- and that's draft.

Take Marbury, Crawford, Randolph and Curry away- and replace with some other combination of players- I don't know- maybe Bynum would have been picked- Ty Thomas, Lamarcus Aldridge- whoever you want- and we'd have a roster with a salary around what, half? With some stud young players.
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11/11/2007  5:15 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Bonn1997:

We still suck. You spend $90 million/yr and you starphuck for seven years, you should have much more to show for than a team competing for the 8th seed.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-11-2007 10:31 AM]

this falls squarely on Dolan- if he had gotten Isiah in here and told him to blow up the roster, instead of our cap, we'd have had the same results, but the team would be in a position to compete for a championship.

There is one thing Isiah does well- and that's draft.

Take Marbury, Crawford, Randolph and Curry away- and replace with some other combination of players- I don't know- maybe Bynum would have been picked- Ty Thomas, Lamarcus Aldridge- whoever you want- and we'd have a roster with a salary around what, half? With some stud young players.

Very true.
You also need to substract Q, Malik, JJ, JJ1, and Jones
What is left then... Not too much to talk about.
This team is the biggest joke in the history of professional sport


[Edited by - arkrud on 11-11-2007 5:16 PM]
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11/11/2007  5:20 PM
the team still lives and dies with Crawford on offense. his defense is bad. realistically, we need to upgrade his spot, unless he can become extremely consistent and cut way down on turnovers. he's getting killed by those travel calls right now.

I'd love to see Mardy get some run.
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11/11/2007  5:23 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Bonn1997:

We still suck. You spend $90 million/yr and you starphuck for seven years, you should have much more to show for than a team competing for the 8th seed.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-11-2007 10:31 AM]

this falls squarely on Dolan- if he had gotten Isiah in here and told him to blow up the roster, instead of our cap, we'd have had the same results, but the team would be in a position to compete for a championship.

There is one thing Isiah does well- and that's draft.

Take Marbury, Crawford, Randolph and Curry away- and replace with some other combination of players- I don't know- maybe Bynum would have been picked- Ty Thomas, Lamarcus Aldridge- whoever you want- and we'd have a roster with a salary around what, half? With some stud young players.

Very true.
You also need to substract Q, Malik, JJ, JJ1, and Jones
What is left then... Not too much to talk about.
This team is the biggest joke in the history of professional sport


[Edited by - arkrud on 11-11-2007 5:16 PM]

Its not that serious. There are teams (in all professional sports) that have managed to put together losing seasons for 15 straight years.
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11/11/2007  5:25 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Bonn1997:

We still suck. You spend $90 million/yr and you starphuck for seven years, you should have much more to show for than a team competing for the 8th seed.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-11-2007 10:31 AM]

this falls squarely on Dolan- if he had gotten Isiah in here and told him to blow up the roster, instead of our cap, we'd have had the same results, but the team would be in a position to compete for a championship.

There is one thing Isiah does well- and that's draft.

Take Marbury, Crawford, Randolph and Curry away- and replace with some other combination of players- I don't know- maybe Bynum would have been picked- Ty Thomas, Lamarcus Aldridge- whoever you want- and we'd have a roster with a salary around what, half? With some stud young players.
I agree it falls on Dolan. That's why I don't even care if Isiah is fired. It won't make a difference.
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