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firefly
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11/7/2007  10:46 AM
Dear Isiah,

Well, not much to say. Nice win against the Nuggets and things are looking up for our team. Zach is rebounding like crazy, spreading the play outside the paint, and Eddy is actually showing some heart. Dunno what you had to do to get Jamal to shoot midrange shots and to drive more, but please dont stop doing it!! And Steph is playing within the team offense, which is a delight to see.

Just one thing......

START BALKMAN!!!!

He is our defense, our energy, our hustle and our heart. With him on the floor, we look like a team actually capable of playing defense.

Renaldo gives all of our offensive guys more shots and more scoring opportunities. You really need to start giving him 30 minutes a game, and slowly phasing Q out of the starting lineup.

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Panos
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11/7/2007  1:15 PM
Cosign. If we are starting Marbs and Craw we should have enuf shooting from them (+ZBo) to allow for a glue type player that can play an active roll (our BEST TWO-WAY PLAYER) to start at the SF.

Make it so.

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11/7/2007  1:20 PM
I think IT is going to give Q a chance to play his way into shape and see if he can overcome his early season woes. When Q is on his game, he is a solid player for us. I'm not opposed to Balkman starting, in fact, I think he has to be given 25-30 minutes for this team to win consistently, but I also like the fact that we can bring someone off the bench that reenergizes the team. Plus, in a reserve role, Balkman does not have to worry as much about foul trouble and he can just come in and play with his usual controlled-chaos style of play.

Plus, I think keeping Balkman in a reserve role gives him more motivation to work on his shot. If he could hit open jumpers, he clearly would be the best SF on the team by far. He can still score, but having him on the court also allows teams to double down on our low post scorers. I have no doubt Balkman is a hard worker, but telling him that if he wants to start learn to make some jumpshots would not hurt his development.

[Edited by - thegame on 11-07-2007 1:22 PM]
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11/7/2007  1:21 PM
WHAT IS THE OBSESSION WITH STARTING?

balkman played 5 more minutes than Q last night, who started.

its not about who starts, its about who finishes. i could care less what the first 5 is (and to tell you the truth, i think the starting 5 we got now is the best to start a game w/), all i care about is having balkman being on the court when there is 5 minutes left in the 4th, and not having him come out of the game after that point.
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11/7/2007  1:22 PM
http://www.nba.com/games/20071106/DENNYK/boxscore.html

balkman's +/- last night was +11 (only marbury and zbo were better, both at+12).

in my opinion you need Q to start b/c he spreads the D and lets curry do his thing. if balkman is starting every time curry touches the rock the D is gonna collapse. later in the game when you mix and match thats not a given.
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11/7/2007  1:35 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

WHAT IS THE OBSESSION WITH STARTING?

balkman played 5 more minutes than Q last night, who started.

its not about who starts, its about who finishes. i could care less what the first 5 is (and to tell you the truth, i think the starting 5 we got now is the best to start a game w/), all i care about is having balkman being on the court when there is 5 minutes left in the 4th, and not having him come out of the game after that point.

Don't know, I suppose status or something. The way I was taught to play the game is that it is more important to be on the court the last minute of the game than the first minute. I'd rather keep Balkman on the bench and have him bust his ass to be the starter, or at least develop something that resembles a half court offense (he's good on the break).
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11/7/2007  1:40 PM
How about not falling behind early in ballgames? Is that a good enough reason?
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11/7/2007  1:42 PM
i think the knicks would be more prone to fall behind early in games w/ balkman starting for reasons i've mentioned. Q hits the 3, balkman doesn't. they both rebound, obviously balkman brings all that energy and hustle, i just think thats better utilized coming off the bench for 20-30 minutes a night.
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11/7/2007  2:01 PM
I don't understand the theory of why you can't bring energy and hustle at the beginning of the game. Having Balk out there would cure us of some of those lackluster starts we've been prone to having. He also provides a deterrent in the lane- that would've made a huge impact early on last night as we were playing the EZPass D.

Q is not hitting the 3 this year. Q has been ineffective. Having any effective player in there would be an upgrade over Q- Balkman brings in the added dimnesion of defense.

I'm not sure why there's a theory that hustle players have to come off the bench.
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11/7/2007  2:17 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

i think the knicks would be more prone to fall behind early in games w/ balkman starting for reasons i've mentioned. Q hits the 3, balkman doesn't. they both rebound, obviously balkman brings all that energy and hustle, i just think thats better utilized coming off the bench for 20-30 minutes a night.


Why not try it out? Notice at the start of each game, Q takes a couple long jumpshots to see if he's feeling it. How does that help the offense when most of the time he misses and then goes into a shell the rest of the game because of his confidence.

Make up an excuse. Call it a recovery thing and sit Q in a suit for a few games to test out the theory.


[Edited by - kam77 on 11-07-2007 2:18 PM]
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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11/7/2007  2:18 PM
All coaches have a game plan. They have their starting 5. They work in practice on set plays and how to play together.
I assume it is not different with coach Isiah and Knicks.
So why he should brake all this because Balk, or Lee, or Nate had one good game?
We have our starting 5. Some can think it is bad group, some good.
But we need to stick with the system and stop messing stuff up.
If this group will break through we will have A SEASON, if not goodbye IT and all his bandwagon.
Let it play off (and maybe get to PLAY-OFFS)

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Panos
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11/7/2007  2:26 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

i think the knicks would be more prone to fall behind early in games w/ balkman starting for reasons i've mentioned. Q hits the 3, balkman doesn't. they both rebound, obviously balkman brings all that energy and hustle, i just think thats better utilized coming off the bench for 20-30 minutes a night.

Q hits the three, eh? He's 3 for 12 so far in 3 games. That avgs out to 1 per game.
Is it the 3 misses per game that keeps the opposition honest?

I don't see why starting positions are so fixed in this league.
Why not let whoever is effective at the current time play. Let Q earn his spot back.
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11/7/2007  2:30 PM
Games are more easily won from being ahead, not playing from behind. Playing from behind and depending on energy boosts is not a viable strategy.

Ultimately you'd like to:

1) Get off to a good start and establish the lead
2) Sustain the lead while periodically resting your guys. Perhaps get a boost from your bench if possible.
3) Close the game and protect the lead with your best players.

Not:

1) Fall behind while saving your weapons for later
2) Unleash your weapons and work your way back into the game.
3) Try and come from behind and close the team out with whatever energy you have remaining
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11/7/2007  2:31 PM
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11/7/2007  2:40 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Games are more easily won from being ahead, not playing from behind. Playing from behind and depending on energy boosts is not a viable strategy.

Ultimately you'd like to:

1) Get off to a good start and establish the lead
2) Sustain the lead while periodically resting your guys. Perhaps get a boost from your bench if possible.
3) Close the game and protect the lead with your best players.

Not:

1) Fall behind while saving your weapons for later
2) Unleash your weapons and work your way back into the game.
3) Try and come from behind and close the team out with whatever energy you have remaining

Don't you understand!!! This is IT tactics:
Start game poorly and then suddenly show them what we really can do!!!
IT = Alexander The Great






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11/7/2007  2:48 PM
why start Balkman, he plays better of the bench, he's an energy guy.

We need Balkman to come off the bench and be a sparkplug, if he starts he wont have that same energy that he comes in with.

Pointless? Yes
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Panos
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11/7/2007  4:08 PM
Why don't we just spot the other team 10 points, then we can start Balkman and pretend he didn't start and he can give us an energetic boost to get us back in the game.

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