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Allanfan20
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11/3/2007  1:18 PM
for not being able to defend the entire perimeter. That's fine. However, for the people who were so encouraged, are we gonna use the same excuse for when we play every other team that has a great perimeter player who can take it to the hoop that would command a friggin' triple team from the Knicks. When is Isiah going to admit that if he refuses to go out and get 2 way players, particularly on the perimeter, then he NEEDS to get a shotblocker. Clearly though, Isiah is not willing to fess up to his mistakes and his ego is so damn big that he really thinks we can win with this group.

Not all teams have a LeBron, but all teams do have talent on the perimeter now, ESPECIALLY in the Atlantic division, and it seems to me that we have less talent on the perimeter than basically all teams in the Atlantic.

NJ: Carter, Jefferson, Kidd, Wright, Williams
Boston: Allen, Pierce, Rondo
Washington: Gilbert, Butler
Philly: MAYBE a tie, but I'd still take AI and Miller over all of our players on the perimeter

And yes, maybe we do have a more talented frontcourt, but it only goes so far when you have a frontcourt that can't play defense and the supposed best player can't rebound and NOBODY blocks shots, especially when our perimeter D' is bad. You can call me a hater all you want, but it's like what fishmike said, it's the same as all the years before, until we either start playing smart defense, defense in general, or we completely rebuild our team.

And for the few players we have that do play or try to play defense, aren't good enough all around to make a good team.
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11/3/2007  1:37 PM
The knicks lost the game cuz guards can't defend the damn 3pt line.

Do you know how much crazy glue you need to glue your balls back on?

45pts......lebron scored 45 meaningless points. Believe that. Boobies 3pters are what destroyed the knicks.....no way in hell guys can get open that many times.....they had him there as a decoy and the knicks bit.....all he had to do was spot up.

Marbs was benched.....fine.....isiah has to defend the 3pt line. Get his players to stay with the 3pt shooter and stop letting them catch their feet in rythym.....its bull****.

Lebron can dance aroun all he wants cuz he is not gonna hurt anybody. The spurs proves that. Let him skip around cuz his team sucks.....

Fucking knicks.....I wish I can meet the team and make a statement to all of them. Its bull****. Lebron did not beat the knicks.....**** that man.....the knicks were destroying them and should have won by 20pts reguardless if lebron had 90pts off 45 dunks......

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11/3/2007  1:45 PM
to be fair, i think the inability of our bigs to intimidate & block shots also has a lot to do w/our G's inabilities to guard the perimeter... they're always having to double down to stop penetration, leaving their men open on the 3 pt line... i keep saying it over & over, get a shotblocker in here & that issue will be addressed... but no, Isiah thinks we need more low post scoring & rebounding when we already have a great low post scorer in Curry & a couple of great energetic rebounders in the frontcourt in Lee & Balk.
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11/3/2007  1:46 PM
Well, eny, I wouldn't say he was worthless. 45 pts is 45 pts and he caused havoc on the Knicks defense. My complaint is this. What are the Knicks gonna do when other talented players go off on them, when those teams have even better supporting casts. Kinda like what will the Knicks do when Pierce kills QRich and suddenly guys are leaving Ray Allen and Rajon free.

Look at it this way. The Knicks of old would NEVER double or triple team guys on the perimeter, the way they did with LeBron last night, not even with MJ.
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11/3/2007  1:50 PM
i think Gibson killed us more w/his 24 pts than Lebron did w/his 45... Gibson hit the key shots that really killed us this game... Jamal, Nate & Marbs were leaving their men, floating over to double on other guys, & Gibson was wide open for the 3's.
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11/3/2007  1:51 PM
Posted by TMS:

to be fair, i think the inability of our bigs to intimidate & block shots also has a lot to do w/our G's inabilities to guard the perimeter... they're always having to double down to stop penetration, leaving their men open on the 3 pt line... i keep saying it over & over, get a shotblocker in here & that issue will be addressed... but no, Isiah thinks we need more low post scoring & rebounding when we already have a great low post scorer in Curry & a couple of great energetic rebounders in the frontcourt in Lee & Balk.

TMS, it would have been hard enough to build around Curry, b/c it's hard finding shotblockers nowadays who can play big minutes. It almost forces you to get somebody of the Camby/Okafor calibre. And even then, it's still ideal to have guys who can hold their own on the perimeter, b/c if they can't, then that shotblocker would be fouling out b/c guys can just drive at will and flood your shotblocker, not to mention Curry.

But NOOOOW not only do we get another low post scorer who doesn't play ANY type of defense, besides at least trying hard (And he still sucks at D') but we still have the same perimeter guys who can't D up, and now we have those rebounders and defenders on the bench who will be getting LESS time, b/c of that extra pointless low post scorer. I'm saying it now and I said it then, the Zach trade wasn't that smart.

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11/3/2007  1:54 PM
What???? Ya'll buggin. Q plays great D, he don't need no help...... Isiah messed up sitting Curry and Nate for so long in the fourth quarter.
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11/3/2007  1:55 PM
the Zach trade wasn't that smart.

I'm saying it now & I said it then, KMart will have had a much more beneficial effect on this team than Z Bo ever could.
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11/3/2007  1:58 PM
I'm saying it then and I'm saying it now, if KMart didn't have all those knee problems, I'd be all for getting him, but I trust his knees at this point, just as much as I trust Allan Houston's.

And I'd love to have a K-Mart type of player. I just can't risk giving up so much for him (And you know full well the Nuggets would try to fleece us) when he's had those knee surgeries.
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11/3/2007  2:01 PM
gibson got his 24 b/c of lebron's 45. we lost b/c we don't know how to win close games yet on the road. it's a carryover from last year. maybe they'll learn this year.
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11/3/2007  4:26 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

for not being able to defend the entire perimeter. That's fine. However, for the people who were so encouraged, are we gonna use the same excuse for when we play every other team that has a great perimeter player who can take it to the hoop that would command a friggin' triple team from the Knicks. When is Isiah going to admit that if he refuses to go out and get 2 way players, particularly on the perimeter, then he NEEDS to get a shotblocker. Clearly though, Isiah is not willing to fess up to his mistakes and his ego is so damn big that he really thinks we can win with this group.

Not all teams have a LeBron, but all teams do have talent on the perimeter now, ESPECIALLY in the Atlantic division, and it seems to me that we have less talent on the perimeter than basically all teams in the Atlantic.

NJ: Carter, Jefferson, Kidd, Wright, Williams
Boston: Allen, Pierce, Rondo
Washington: Gilbert, Butler
Philly: MAYBE a tie, but I'd still take AI and Miller over all of our players on the perimeter

And yes, maybe we do have a more talented frontcourt, but it only goes so far when you have a frontcourt that can't play defense and the supposed best player can't rebound and NOBODY blocks shots, especially when our perimeter D' is bad. You can call me a hater all you want, but it's like what fishmike said, it's the same as all the years before, until we either start playing smart defense, defense in general, or we completely rebuild our team.

And for the few players we have that do play or try to play defense, aren't good enough all around to make a good team.

I don't understand why people are bugging out about the NYK front court, I thought Eddy and Z-Bo weren't the problem here. It was the NYK perimeter defense. Majority of the point for Cavs came on jumpers. If anything Curry and Z-Bo out played their counter parts easily. NOw if you want to pick on a player it starts and ends with mostly MArbury. He set the tone early by letting Gibson drop threes on him. With LeBRon having a great game the last thing you want is to give him another scoring option and sure enough Gibson was the guy. If Stephon does better on the defensive end good chance the KNicks pull out the win.
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Posted by djsunyc:

gibson got his 24 b/c of lebron's 45. we lost b/c we don't know how to win close games yet on the road. it's a carryover from last year. maybe they'll learn this year.

Exactly. Any dude who can hit a long J was going to score for the Cavs last night because all the focus was on LeBron. I don't think Marbury/Crawford were losing Gibson so much as the choice was made to dare Gibson to beat them rather than LeBron.

I think it was a bad choice. A better choice would have been to play Lebron nearly head up and foul him, making him earn his buckets at the line.

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11/3/2007  7:07 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I'm saying it then and I'm saying it now, if KMart didn't have all those knee problems, I'd be all for getting him, but I trust his knees at this point, just as much as I trust Allan Houston's.

And I'd love to have a K-Mart type of player. I just can't risk giving up so much for him (And you know full well the Nuggets would try to fleece us) when he's had those knee surgeries.

i disagree... i think we could have gotten KMart on the cheap... no way would they expect to get the likes of D Lee or Curry in any trade for KMart, especially w/his knee issues & the contract he's signed to... i think we could very well have gotten him for any package of expirings & a future protected pick at most... i would have much rather taken a chance on acquiring a KMart type player even w/his knee issues than adding a player that dominates the ball on offense down low the same way as Curry does... it's like the Marbury & Francis experiment all over again... when does Isiah finally learn that it takes building a team w/COMPLEMENTARY parts that do different things to build a winner instead of adding players that pretty much do the same exact thing?
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Posted by TMS:

to be fair, i think the inability of our bigs to intimidate & block shots also has a lot to do w/our G's inabilities to guard the perimeter... they're always having to double down to stop penetration, leaving their men open on the 3 pt line... i keep saying it over & over, get a shotblocker in here & that issue will be addressed... but no, Isiah thinks we need more low post scoring & rebounding when we already have a great low post scorer in Curry & a couple of great energetic rebounders in the frontcourt in Lee & Balk.

TMS, it would have been hard enough to build around Curry, b/c it's hard finding shotblockers nowadays who can play big minutes. It almost forces you to get somebody of the Camby/Okafor calibre. And even then, it's still ideal to have guys who can hold their own on the perimeter, b/c if they can't, then that shotblocker would be fouling out b/c guys can just drive at will and flood your shotblocker, not to mention Curry.

But NOOOOW not only do we get another low post scorer who doesn't play ANY type of defense, besides at least trying hard (And he still sucks at D') but we still have the same perimeter guys who can't D up, and now we have those rebounders and defenders on the bench who will be getting LESS time, b/c of that extra pointless low post scorer. I'm saying it now and I said it then, the Zach trade wasn't that smart.

TMS-- your post doesn't make sense to me. If guard 1 loses his man, and guard 2 (or someone at the SF position) doubles down and leaves his man open in an effort to help, what does EC or Zack have to do with a hit three pointer?

1. Guard 1 needs to STOP GETTING BEAT

2. Guard 2 needs to stop leaving his man.

As is, the ball never gets into to EC for him to make a play-- it's kicked out for the three that the penetration and sloppy perimeter defense caused.

[Edited by - tru on 11-04-2007 10:08 AM]
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11/4/2007  12:05 PM
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11/4/2007  12:38 PM
Marbury let Gibson go off on him. In the first quarter Gibson dropped 11 points on Marbury. He was man Marbury's and Marbury alone. Then you have Gibson going to the bench and Damon Jones comes in and bust a 3 in Marbury's face. NOt to mention Marbury must have missed 4 layups.

Nate was playing good and Gibson did not score 1 point on Nate. Yet Isiah sits down Nate who is hot to put in Marbury. As soon as Marbury hit the court in the 2nd half Gibson starts going off again.

No, we can't stop Lebron but there is no reason for Marbury to let Gibson shut him down and take him to school. We only played zone for like 3 minutes. In that 3 minutes Nate did not have a problem guarding his area. The one guy that had a problem was Marbury when he came back in.

Marbury was not into the game. Example

the play where he is arguing with the ref instead of getting back on defense.

I don't why the hell Isiah sat Nate down when it was clear that Marbury was playing like hot trash. What did Isiah actually expect from Marbury that Nate could not do?


Hopefully Marbury picks it up in today's game.
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11/4/2007  3:01 PM
I think it's been proven quite well that if you're gonna have Marbury play defense, you might as well have him play against a more overpowering player, as opposed to someone who's quick and runs around the perimeter. He loses his concentration and sometimes can't keep up. Crawford on the other hand, is vice versa.

It's scary, but Misterearl very well could be right that maybe we start relying on Nate, b/c he seems to be the one guy with the potential to stay with both the quick guys and maybe point guards who are strong, b/c he is a cross between a bulldog and a greyhound. We just have to hope that Nate is growing up and can be more reliable on both ends. I do like what I see from him so far though.
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11/4/2007  3:45 PM
Wha? Misterearl? Allanfan20.......im gonna give you such a pinch. I been saying for like 5 threads now that nate should be the starter now. The credit is mine!

Man just wait till the next basketball get together. Remember what reggie evans did to kaman? It will be much, much worse....
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11/4/2007  3:52 PM
I'm sorry if I find misterearl's posting and Knicks knowledge to be superior to yours. But misterearl is just a library of Knicks info, and you, my friend, are the childrens section.
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11/4/2007  5:03 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I'm sorry if I find misterearl's posting and Knicks knowledge to be superior to yours. But misterearl is just a library of Knicks info, and you, my friend, are the childrens section.

Pimped me like the grannies on bingo night.

Allanfan.....you cold blooded.
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