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bobs3304
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11/3/2007  1:55 AM
I hate Eddy Curry. Let it be known. Let it flow through the countryside like a cool breeze.


But atleast with Curry you can always just bench him whenever he plays bad. And more than likely...... he won't make too much of a fuss.

Plus the guy.....at the very least.....is a Center.


Zach Randolph is a better player than Eddy. I say this without stuttering. He's a better defender, rebounder, passer, and scorer. The only thing Curry has on him is size, and FG%.


But the thing about Zach that scares me, is, like Ron Artest, he thinks he's a franchise player, which is trouble.


He has a high usage rate, b/c he thinks he should be "the man" on whatever team he's on.

He's the type that curses at his coach when he doesn't get enough playing time.

He's not a guy you rely on when you have young guys around.

Kinda like Kobe Bryant.


The problem.....is that Zach, like Artest, isn't Kobe Bryant - who is a champion and Top 5 Talent.

You think what Kobe's doing is bad?


Believe me when I say Randolph & Artest have the potential to be just as bad.


All 3 are ballhogs; all 3 have criminal inclinations. It's just that 2 of them aren't even in the same hemisphere as Kobe.


At the end of the day, Kobe Bryant will be remembered for his production.

Randolph & Artest will be remembered for their antics...




[Edited by - bobs3304 on 03-11-2007 02:52 AM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/3/2007  2:45 AM
Thinking it over, here's what I'm envisioning -


J.0. to N.Y.


This isn't based 100% in reality, but it would really be sweet.

Let's say next summer, O'Neal becomes available. Isiah the coach (NOT the GM anymore), prods him into pushing Walsh to deal him to the Big Apple.

Let's say Walsh becomes interested in home-grown product Zach Randolph. Plus we throw in David Lee.

Let's say they want big cap space, too.


What is the only thing James Dolan is good for?

Riiiiiight.........swalling big contracts.


SOOO....


TO NEW YORK

Jermaine O'Neal
Troy Murphy.


TO INDIANA

Zach Randolph
Malik Rose (expiring)
David Lee
Wilson Chandler
Fut. 1st



OR


Let's say he doesn't want both PF's.

Maybe he only wants Randolph, or only wants Lee.

Well we ship the other to a 3rd team. And get what Walsh wants.


Not based solely in reality, but man that would be SWEET.


Here look I even broke down the rotation (which of course is perfect, whattya know?)


(out of 50 mins. per pos.)

(28)..........(17)............(5)
Curry, (shotblocker), JO
(32)........(18)
O'Neal, Murphy
(22).........(20).......(8)
Jefferies, Balkman, Murphy
(27)..(23)
Q, Nate
(34)........(16)
Crawford , Collins



That's fawkin ECC material right there.

We could just buyout Marbury's last year, since I'd rather have Craw at point anyway.

Plus let's not forget JO doesn't like banging inside, Curry is like the perfect playmate. He can bang inside, JO can play the high post.

[/dream]


[Edited by - bobs3304 on 03-11-2007 02:50 AM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/3/2007  8:51 AM
Plus the guy.....at the very least.....is a Center.
Curry is NOT a center. Don't be blinded by height.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-03-2007 08:59 AM]
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11/3/2007  8:58 AM
Since it's unlikely that Isiah trades his "franchise" center I think we ought to take a page out of the Bulls book.

Feature him early and often to set a tempo and get the opposition in early foul trouble. Then phase him out for Zach. When Eddy is getting beaten badly defensively then you bring in Lee and limit Eddy's minutes.

Featuring him as the #1 took us no where last year. Zach is far more dynamic and the offense is far more fluid with him as the #1 option.
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11/3/2007  1:18 PM
^ I guess you didn't read a word of the thread.

*sigh*
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/3/2007  7:03 PM
What point are you trying to make?

*You dislike Eddy Curry. (Check)
*You think Zach is over used. (Check)
*Therefore you suggest we should still favor Curry such as last year. (Check)


The problem with that is that Zach is a dynamic inside-outside player. He's a better decision maker with the ball. The offense is more fluid with him on the court.

A point: It's going to be hard to play both guys 35+ minutes a game side by side. You've already seen how Eddy looks confused at times as to what to do or where to be when Zach operates. Zach meanwhile seems comfortable in everything he does.

So the logical conclusion is to feature Zach, not Eddy, yet - rather than just flat out waste Eddy I suggest that we use Eddy how the Bulls did back in the day. Utilize his strengths to set the early tempo of a game. When that fizzles out you sit him for Lee and let Zach be the dominant player.


Not so sure what I've missed in your post.
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11/3/2007  8:19 PM
^ Try re-reading it then.


Because you really didn't show any evidence that you did to begin with...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/3/2007  9:05 PM
I have read it and I have replied to it accordingly. It would seem apparent that attempting to converse with you is a waste of time. No hard feelings, yet I don't like playing games of which you are doing, therefore I won't be replying to you anymore.

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11/3/2007  9:12 PM
^^^

is this the aforementioned meta-virtual "ignore button" feature I hear about?
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11/3/2007  9:33 PM
Both Eddy and Zack are NOT a team players.
One because he dumb another because he is egocentric.
That's why they were moved out of the teams which try to build some chemistry.
You can put them into the game together or one at a time but the result will be same - great individual performances and team that sucks.
Winning in NBA is an art of bringing matching pieces together.
We have coach who has no idea and desire of doing this and bunch of mismatched players.
So if you like to see some street-like bbal - get ready for great season. But not ask for a lot of wins.
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11/3/2007  10:14 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

I have read it and I have replied to it accordingly. It would seem apparent that attempting to converse with you is a waste of time. No hard feelings, yet I don't like playing games of which you are doing, therefore I won't be replying to you anymore.

I'll give ya a break since I'm a bit of a hothead myself, but I can see why you were banned on RGM.


I'll phrase my point:


You're talking about Zach from a performance standpoint.

And I'm already conceding the point that Z-Bo is better than Curry in pretty much every facet of the game.


The problem isn't talent or performance.

The problem is the PERSON he is.


Sure he'll take a backseat for a few months, but I guarantee he'll wear his welcome out. He'll become a distraction one day eventually.


It would be fine if he was a guy that was willing to sacrifice touches and take a backseat to a better player, but that's not Z-Bo. Just like it's not Artest. Or Kobe - see Shaq feud.


Unfortunately Z-Bo isn't anywhere close to the player Kobe is. Not even on the same planet.


NOW respond...

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/4/2007  11:21 PM
Whats with J.O. ? he is definately overrated and haven't accomplished anything much like Z-bo or DLee. What will he bring that Z-bo wount? Better scoring? no. Better personality? thats still a very open question, don't forget its much harder to develop a certain part of your game than it is to mature as a person. better defence? umm ok fine but don't forget z-bo still brings it on d and i think 1 on 1 he'd whip JO so bad its not even funny. So u want to give the DLee? i dunno about that man
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11/4/2007  11:22 PM
^ What will JO bring that Zbo doesn't?


LEADERSHIP, and...

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/5/2007  9:58 PM
If it is Only those 2 things then i think Z-bo can bring both of those, pehaps not as elegantly as the beloved JO at this point could, but hey lets give him some time, at least get to know the man. He might surprise in those departments :)
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11/5/2007  10:01 PM
Posted by ramtour420:

If it is Only those 2 things then i think Z-bo can bring both of those, pehaps not as elegantly as the beloved JO at this point could, but hey lets give him some time, at least get to know the man. He might surprise in those departments :)


Yea, he COULD end up being every bit as Zach Randolph-ish as we expect him to be.

*rolling eyes*
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11/5/2007  10:10 PM
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Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by ramtour420:

If it is Only those 2 things then i think Z-bo can bring both of those, pehaps not as elegantly as the beloved JO at this point could, but hey lets give him some time, at least get to know the man. He might surprise in those departments :)


Yea, he COULD end up being every bit as Zach Randolph-ish as we expect him to be.

*rolling eyes*

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11/5/2007  10:56 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ What will JO bring that Zbo doesn't?


LEADERSHIP, and...

he'll also bring an attitude which (just like zbo in your opinion) makes him think that he's the man on the team.
j'oneal is overrated in my opinion. what has j'oneal done for indiana besides swallowing up all the money and causing management to drive out al harrington and ron artest.....2 guys that would have helped the pacers win a championship

i dont want this overrated bastard anywhere near the knicks.
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11/5/2007  11:33 PM
^ Jermaine O'Neal is a class person, and IS a true franchise player.

He's been an All-Star 5 years in a row, and it'll probably be 6 the way the Pacers have started out this season.

He's an elite defender in the paint, and good for 20 and 10 every season.

Not to mention he's playoff-tested.




P.S. What's all this nonsense about ignoring people. Is this like the Ultimateknicks version of RealGM's green font?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/6/2007  7:14 AM
JO is a legit two-way player, actually one of the best two-way players in the league. You can't seriously compare him and Zach.
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11/6/2007  11:03 AM
I just don't see the logical connection here...

The better player deserves to play and you can't assume a trade.
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