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Charlie Rosen likes Knicks as destination for Kobe
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11/3/2007  12:07 AM
The full article is below with the part about the Knicks last. The Knicks present the only likely deal in his opinion.

The thing to keep in mind is that Rosen is one of phil Jackson's best friends, so I doubt his impressions come solely from conjecture. In fact I read this almost as a cry for help from Phil, the kind of thing that gets floated out to pique interest, and for both teams to gauge fan sentiment.


Still some possibilities in Kobe derby

Now that John Paxson has foreclosed any short-term possibility of the Bulls' dealing for Kobe Bryant, let's speculate about the consequences.
As before, the ball is in Kobe's court — and he'll undoubtedly pick it up and shoot it. With his destination-of-choice no longer available, Kobe will have to swallow his disappointment, choke back his anger, and play out the season with the Lakers. His only other option is to relax his no-trade clause and consider where else he might want to play (and live).
Assuming that several peripheral players would have to be added to the following equations to make the dollar-signs balance, here's what's possible and what's not:

To Phoenix for Shawn Marion and Leandro Barbosa

With Marion's discontent, and the expected emergence of Marcus Banks, this would be a no-brainer for the Suns — and would probably guarantee them the championship. The only foreseeable problem might be Kobe's dismay at having to concede so much ball-time to Steve Nash.

Because Marion isn't an adequate passer and can't create his own shots, the Lakers would be taking a huge gamble. Sure, the Matrix would help their porous defense, but is that enough? Plus, Barbosa performs best in the open court, whereas the Lakers rarely run.

Mainly because of the Lakers' reluctance to strengthen a conference rival while getting a highly questionable return, this deal is a no-go.

To Washington for Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison

Jamison would have to be included simply because Arenas for Bryant straight-up is too lopsided a deal for the Lakers to even consider. Even with Jamison in the mix, this exchange will never happen because the Wizards aren't a serious contender anyway, and with two of their Big Three being replaced by only Kobe, they would be at best a seventh or eighth seed.

Not a chance.

To Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala and Andre Miller

A terrific move for the Lakers. For Philly, the fan attraction of Kobe's coming home would have a huge impact on their attendance — and the 76ers' future would look brighter than ever. But Kobe is not interested in being the only bona fide stud on a rebuilding team.

Never happen.

To Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala, Kyle Korver and Jason Smith

This package might be closer to the mark, but Bryant would have the same objection as before.

Nope.

To New Jersey for Jason Kidd and either Vince Carter or Richard Jefferson

A great move for the Nets. But J-Kidd is too old for the Lakers to invest their immediate future in him.

No way.

To Sacramento for Ron Artest and Kevin Martin

Add Andrew Bynum and Vlad Radmanovic to the mix and the Kings would certainly have to be interested. This would be an advantageous trade for both sides, but once again the Kings would still be an inferior ball club and Kobe would likely balk. Also the Brothers Maloof are disinclined to make a deal with the hated Lakers.

Could happen, should happen, but won't happen.

To Detroit for Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince and Amir Johnson

Add Bynum and this is far from being a bad idea for both teams. With Chauncey Billups, Rasheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess, Jason Maxiell and the underrated Jarvis Hayes still on board, the addition of Kobe just might provide the spark the Pistons need to push them over the top. The Lakers, meanwhile, would also get a close approximation of the "equal value" they've been seeking.

Does the Pistons' front office have the guts to pull the trigger? Probably not.

To Denver for Carmelo Anthony and Nene Hilario

Interesting, eh? Kobe would put some fire into the Nuggets' game plan on both ends of the floor. And, with Marcus Camby and the return of Kenyon Martin, Nene is expendable. For the Lakers, the swap also makes sense on every level.

Another deal that would probably require more courage, and more creative thinking, than the bigwigs of either franchise are capable of showing.

Lamar Odom to Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal

This would be a lateral move for both teams and wouldn't be sufficient to satisfy Kobe.

So, then, here's the deal that makes the most sense:

Bryant to New York for Jamal Crawford, David Lee, Malik Rose and Eddy Curry

Add Kwame Brown (or even Bynum) and Radmanovic, and neither team has any legitimate reason for saying nay.

Benefit for the Knicks: Zeke gets to keep Zach Randolph, and New York would be agog over finally having a bona fide super-duper star to root for. And even Starbury would have to take a back seat to Kid Kobe.

The Knicks' starting lineup would consist of Kobe, Marbury, Quentin Richardson, Randolph and Bynum/Brown. On the bench: Nate Robinson, Radmanovic, Renaldo Blackman, Fred Jones, Jared Jeffries, Jerome James and Randolph Morris.

Benefit for Lakers: Even when Crawford was in Chicago, Phil Jackson was always intrigued by his game. With the triangle providing enough of a framework, Crawford would conceivably tame his wildness and blossom into a dependable, all-star-caliber performer. Curry has plenty of flaws, but the young man can certainly score in the low-post — and he's certainly young enough to learn how to play "real" basketball. Lee, of course, would energize the entire team, while Rose would bring a warrior's mentality to set an example for whichever big man the Lakers would keep.

The Lakers' starting lineup would consist of Derek Fisher, Crawford, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom and Curry. On the bench: Lee, Chris Mihm, Brian Cook, Maurice Evans, Rose, Ronny Turiaf, Jordan Farmar, and either Brynum or Brown. (Also, with Curry in the fold, Bynum could easily be traded for a promising wing-scorer like Andres Nocioni, Willie Green, Gerald Green, Damien Wilkins, Matt Barnes, Francisco Garcia, etc.)

This is a terrific deal for both teams that would juice rating on both coasts, and should happen ASAP.

Do it!
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11/3/2007  12:13 AM
This guy has obviously never watched the Knicks before.

Why the hell would anyone trade Kobe for Crawful and Curry?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/3/2007  12:23 AM
They're desperate in LA. Kobe is a huge distraction, there isn't equal value to be had, Kobe has a short list of places he's willing to go to, with a no-trade clause in his contract. Lakers are over a barrel.
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11/3/2007  12:28 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:


The Knicks' starting lineup would consist of Kobe, Marbury, Quentin Richardson, Randolph and Bynum/Brown. On the bench: Nate Robinson, Radmanovic, Renaldo Blackman, Fred Jones, Jared Jeffries, Jerome James and Randolph Morris.


Do it!

who's renaldo blackman? is he related to rolando balkman?
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11/3/2007  1:05 AM
I don't think this is a bad deal- I think Curry would work out well in a triangle offense which is really about spacing, enabling him to get entry passes and be able to pass out. Lee is obviously a great fit for Phil- though Luke Walton does a lot of the same things, not as well and might need to get traded.

I guess Crawford gets included for his salary? Maybe they want Balkman/Chandler & we could get Luke back.

I think I would do this deal if I am the Lakers or Knicks
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11/3/2007  1:12 AM
^ Andrew Bynum is the starting Center in LA.

They'd have zero use for Eddy Curry.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/3/2007  2:41 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ Andrew Bynum is the starting Center in LA.

They'd have zero use for Eddy Curry.

yea- and he's probably better than curry- at least he's cheaper- you might need to do a three way where curry goes elsewhere- josh howard & dallas?
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11/3/2007  2:43 AM
Don't be too silly- Crawford, Curry and Lee (and maybe you throw in a Chandler too) is not a bad deal at all. In fact its 3 legitamate starters for Bryant. Look, no one is gonna equal Bryant, but to add 3 young starters is no joke and leaves them with some flexibility. The Knicks taking back Radmon and Brown helps them out a lot too.

Can any other team offer that right now: 3 starters and some cap relief? I don't think so- not even close. The Bulls don't have the salary matching capability to be able to match that offer without gutting their team.
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11/3/2007  3:10 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Don't be too silly- Crawford, Curry and Lee (and maybe you throw in a Chandler too) is not a bad deal at all. In fact its 3 legitamate starters for Bryant. Look, no one is gonna equal Bryant, but to add 3 young starters is no joke and leaves them with some flexibility. The Knicks taking back Radmon and Brown helps them out a lot too.

Can any other team offer that right now: 3 starters and some cap relief? I don't think so- not even close. The Bulls don't have the salary matching capability to be able to match that offer without gutting their team.

I love Lee- but this team needs balance- I just don't believe the Curry/Randolf experiment can work out. I don't know when Curry's player option is up- but you know that he is going to look for max type money.
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11/3/2007  3:26 AM
i've been saying it all along... i think the Bulls & Knicks present the only realistic options for the Lakers to get a Kobe deal done at this point... there's no way in hell they're going to trade him to any conference rivals, & there's no way Kobe would consent to go to any non-big market team at this point... he wants to be on the centerstage & in a position to contend... the Knicks would offer him that opportunity if he joined a roster w/Zach, Steph, Q Rich, Balkman, et. al... the Bulls have already pulled out w/their reluctance to give up Deng in the deal... the Knicks are the logical option for the Knicks to pursue, w/Phil Jackson following Kobe to NY soon after... this has been my prediction all along & it's just a matter of time before it happens...

TMS has spoken.
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11/3/2007  4:04 AM
Can you imagine Curry at the top of the triangle, trying to make a pass? Curry should never be playing with the ball, that far from the basket. It doesn't make sense.

There's no chance Phil gives his blessing on getting Curry back. Moving Kobe would be to help the development of Bynum, not to stymie it by bringing in another center, one you would have to play since he was the centerpiece of the Kobe trade.
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11/3/2007  4:18 AM
i don't see Phil staying in LA past this season if Kobe is to be traded... Isiah's operating under a very shot leash, & his wish has never been to be both coach & GM of this franchise anyway... he's only doing this to appease Dolan... i think Jax will come back home to NY where he's always wanted to coach if Kobe were to be traded here because Dolan will come to the realization that the entire Isiah experiment is just not going to work out the way he'd hoped it would.

i wouldn't be surprised at all to see Magic Johnson take over the reigns in LA if Jax were to leave... just my gut feeling.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-03-2007 01:19 AM]
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11/3/2007  4:25 AM
Posted by TMS:

i don't see Phil staying in LA past this season if Kobe is to be traded... Isiah's operating under a very shot leash, & his wish has never been to be both coach & GM of this franchise anyway... he's only doing this to appease Dolan... i think Jax will come back home to NY where he's always wanted to coach if Kobe were to be traded here because Dolan will come to the realization that the entire Isiah experiment is just not going to work out the way he'd hoped it would.

i wouldn't be surprised at all to see Magic Johnson take over the reigns in LA if Jax were to leave... just my gut feeling.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-03-2007 01:19 AM]

But why duplicate a position that you already have filled with Bynum?
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11/3/2007  4:34 AM
i don't see how Bynum is duplicating Curry's production though... Curry is an offensive low post player... Bynum has the tools to be a very good defensive C... together they'd make a formidable frontcourt to build upon... Zach duplicates Curry if anything... the trade makes so much sense from both aspects IMO... that is of course since Kobe is pushing for a trade & the Lakers seem to have had enough of his antics... i have yet to see why other teams make so much sense for the Lakers to trade Kobe to yet the Knicks do not... they have some good young talent to offer them in a trade, & they wouldn't be trading him to a conference rival... Kobe's wishes would be fulfilled coming to the biggest market in sports, & he'd be on a contending calibre team after he's added to the roster alongside what the Knicks would have left... it's a win win for all under the circumstances.
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11/3/2007  4:42 AM
btw, David Lee & Jamal Crawford aren't exactly garbage throw ins either... as much flack as Jamal gets on this forum, he's still a very good player & tonight he played a nice, controlled game & put up some good #'s... & we all know how valuable David Lee could be to any team that has him on their roster... i love the guy as do most Knick fans & so will the Laker fans if they make that deal.
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11/3/2007  7:22 AM
If we get Kobe, can we waive marbury?
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11/3/2007  9:46 AM
Rosen implies Bynum could be available too.

So, then, here's the deal that makes the most sense:

Bryant to New York for Jamal Crawford, David Lee, Malik Rose and Eddy Curry

Add Kwame Brown (or even Bynum) and Radmanovic, and neither team has any legitimate reason for saying nay.


If this were any other writer I wouldn't give it the credence I do, but Rosen is Phil's boy.
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11/3/2007  11:45 AM

Change without results is an Isiah trademark.

Im sure Dolan will see Kobe in a knick uniform as a victory no matter the out=come so long as it gains attention.

This would be a "Royal Starphuch with Cheese!"
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11/3/2007  12:15 PM
Posted by TMS:

i don't see Phil staying in LA past this season if Kobe is to be traded... Isiah's operating under a very shot leash, & his wish has never been to be both coach & GM of this franchise anyway... he's only doing this to appease Dolan... i think Jax will come back home to NY where he's always wanted to coach if Kobe were to be traded here because Dolan will come to the realization that the entire Isiah experiment is just not going to work out the way he'd hoped it would.

i wouldn't be surprised at all to see Magic Johnson take over the reigns in LA if Jax were to leave... just my gut feeling.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-03-2007 01:19 AM]

If we got Kobe, this team would be set. I can see the deal happening, especially if we threw in a 1st round pick. I would do a trade of Lee, Curry, Rose, Crawford and unprotected 1st round pick for Kobe and Bynum. THat gives use a more defensive minded center to play along with Zach. The Lakers still have Jarvis and Farmer as future pgs. They still have Odom at PF. Crawford needs structure, which is what Phil can give him. Most people on this board downplay him, but if you watch Crawford on offense, the guy is really a top notch scorer. He just needs to learn to stop all the crossover pullup 3s and I think he could be a 48% or 49% shooter. Lee and Curry would give the Lakers some pieces to work with and the first round pick would allow them to add another solid player. I think it is a good deal for both teams. We can consolidate our talent, improve our perimeter and interior defense, and clear space for Morris, Balkman and Chandler to play. Marbury, Kobe, Q, Randolph, and Bynum would have to be a top-3 lineup in the East and we would finally have balance on the team with players than can play offense and defense at the 2 and 5 spots.
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11/3/2007  12:33 PM
That would be the best thing for isiah .

trading away young players so he wouldn't have such a problem of trying to figure out who should come into the game.

He has too many of the same guys .
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Charlie Rosen likes Knicks as destination for Kobe

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