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10/31/2007  11:04 PM
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and Dwight Howard is the most dominant basketball player right now IMO.
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10/31/2007  11:07 PM
Dominant? This is Mr Dwight "If I cant dunk it, I cant do nothing with it" Howard we're talking about right?

The guy may be an amazing defensive player, but a dominant offensive force? Please!
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Posted by firefly:

Dominant? This is Mr Dwight "If I cant dunk it, I cant do nothing with it" Howard we're talking about right?

The guy may be an amazing defensive player, but a dominant offensive force? Please!


I said Dominant Basketball Player which would encompass their whole game.
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10/31/2007  11:11 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by firefly:

Dominant? This is Mr Dwight "If I cant dunk it, I cant do nothing with it" Howard we're talking about right?

The guy may be an amazing defensive player, but a dominant offensive force? Please!


I said Dominant Basketball Player which would encompass their whole game.
That should "encompass" the offense and he is nowhere close to being good on offense so he is not "the most dominant basketball player" right now. I'm saying this and I am huge Howard fan.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 10-31-2007 11:12 PM]
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And his defense is not that great. I remember Eddy completely destroying him last year. He should have been a lot better right now but he has not developed as much as I thought he would.
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10/31/2007  11:13 PM
observations from the first full night of league pass:

- dwight howard is a beast - close to shaq category. you can see his offensive post game is getting more and more refined. defensively, forget about it. ewing helped yao, now he's gonna help dwight.

- tj ford is going to take it to another level this year - he will finish top 3 in assists

- bargnani...well you guys will eventually see what i'm talking about...

- my BOLD prediction...philly will sign arenas next season and recreate the 2000 iverson/lb team. dalember/deke, evans/hill, iggy, dre...they're just missing a big time scorer...and they have max cap room next summer.

- deng is a stud.

- lowry is a bulldog...
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10/31/2007  11:17 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

observations from the first full night of league pass:

- dwight howard is a beast - close to shaq category. you can see his offensive post game is getting more and more refined. defensively, forget about it. ewing helped yao, now he's gonna help dwight.

- tj ford is going to take it to another level this year - he will finish top 3 in assists

- bargnani...well you guys will eventually see what i'm talking about...

- my BOLD prediction...philly will sign arenas next season and recreate the 2000 iverson/lb team. dalember/deke, evans/hill, iggy, dre...they're just missing a big time scorer...and they have max cap room next summer.

- deng is a stud.

- lowry is a bulldog...


Anybody who's watched him in Pre-Season and saw him today against Bogut, Yi, CV frontcourt saw they had no answer for him. I mean it's not like the guy gets 15-20 touches/gm. But if he does oh man this league is going to get sodomized by him. And you just compared him to Shaq...........


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10/31/2007  11:21 PM
Posted by firefly:

Dominant? This is Mr Dwight "If I cant dunk it, I cant do nothing with it" Howard we're talking about right?

The guy may be an amazing defensive player, but a dominant offensive force? Please!

he was posting up and scoring with spinning hook shots...using his left hand. it was pretty impressive. and he went 8-10 from the line (something he was working on over the summer). if he hits his ft's, he might become the best fantasy player this season.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-31-2007 11:21 PM]
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10/31/2007  11:21 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

And his defense is not that great. I remember Eddy completely destroying him last year. He should have been a lot better right now but he has not developed as much as I thought he would.

That's not valid.

Eddy is 5,000 pounds. Could YOU guard him?
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10/31/2007  11:22 PM
You telling me he beat up on Bogut, Yi and CV!!!????

Damn, why didn't you say?!

You're right, he must be a monster.

Yi!!!! Wow. Just, wow.

Bold prediction. I have seen the light now. Dwight will average at least 35 ppg, along with his usual stellar defensive number.

Yi!!!!! Oh boy, NBA beware.
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10/31/2007  11:24 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

observations from the first full night of league pass:

- dwight howard is a beast - close to shaq category. you can see his offensive post game is getting more and more refined. defensively, forget about it. ewing helped yao, now he's gonna help dwight.

- tj ford is going to take it to another level this year - he will finish top 3 in assists

- bargnani...well you guys will eventually see what i'm talking about...

- my BOLD prediction...philly will sign arenas next season and recreate the 2000 iverson/lb team. dalember/deke, evans/hill, iggy, dre...they're just missing a big time scorer...and they have max cap room next summer.

- deng is a stud.

- lowry is a bulldog...


Dwight howard is one of my favorite players, but he is a ways from being dominant. come on...

Lowry, well, go to real GM and ask them about TKF and lowry, I was all over this kid, almost made the forum sick with his name.. He is a fantastic player..

Nets are good, bulls played hard and the nets found ways to beat them, carter, RJ and kidd and if wright plays like he did tonight.. wow...
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Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Silverfuel:

And his defense is not that great. I remember Eddy completely destroying him last year. He should have been a lot better right now but he has not developed as much as I thought he would.
That's not valid.

Eddy is 5,000 pounds. Could YOU guard him?
No one can guard Eddy. Even the guys that hate Eddy admit he is a absolute beast down low. And weight has little to do with it.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 10-31-2007 11:26 PM]
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Posted by tkf:

Nets are good, bulls played hard and the nets found ways to beat them, carter, RJ and kidd and if wright plays like he did tonight.. wow...
Yea man. The Nets are for real.
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10/31/2007  11:27 PM
Mufu?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

observations from the first full night of league pass:

- dwight howard is a beast - close to shaq category. you can see his offensive post game is getting more and more refined. defensively, forget about it. ewing helped yao, now he's gonna help dwight.

- tj ford is going to take it to another level this year - he will finish top 3 in assists

- bargnani...well you guys will eventually see what i'm talking about...

- my BOLD prediction...philly will sign arenas next season and recreate the 2000 iverson/lb team. dalember/deke, evans/hill, iggy, dre...they're just missing a big time scorer...and they have max cap room next summer.

- deng is a stud.

- lowry is a bulldog...


Dwight howard is one of my favorite players, but he is a ways from being dominant. come on...

Lowry, well, go to real GM and ask them about TKF and lowry, I was all over this kid, almost made the forum sick with his name.. He is a fantastic player..

Nets are good, bulls played hard and the nets found ways to beat them, carter, RJ and kidd and if wright plays like he did tonight.. wow...

i watched dwight tonight - he has really progressed offensively. he had no hesitation on his moves and went right into them. he knew what he wanted to do. at least imho, there is a noticeable difference in his play. it could be a one game blip but there was a difference and confidence in his offense. his form on the ft's is more fluid now also. the dude worked on his game.
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10/31/2007  11:28 PM
Posted by tkf:

Dwight howard is one of my favorite players, but he is a ways from being dominant. come on...
Agreed. I do expect him to be one of the best big men in the game in a few years though. He is a freak of nature.
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10/31/2007  11:29 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

observations from the first full night of league pass:

- dwight howard is a beast - close to shaq category. you can see his offensive post game is getting more and more refined. defensively, forget about it. ewing helped yao, now he's gonna help dwight.

- tj ford is going to take it to another level this year - he will finish top 3 in assists

- bargnani...well you guys will eventually see what i'm talking about...

- my BOLD prediction...philly will sign arenas next season and recreate the 2000 iverson/lb team. dalember/deke, evans/hill, iggy, dre...they're just missing a big time scorer...and they have max cap room next summer.

- deng is a stud.

- lowry is a bulldog...


Dwight howard is one of my favorite players, but he is a ways from being dominant. come on...

Lowry, well, go to real GM and ask them about TKF and lowry, I was all over this kid, almost made the forum sick with his name.. He is a fantastic player..

Nets are good, bulls played hard and the nets found ways to beat them, carter, RJ and kidd and if wright plays like he did tonight.. wow...


NixLuva and many others wrote the Nets off early. I'm like why? of course we're going to hear a lot of "it's only the first game of the season banter"

Dwight made their frontcourt look NBDLish tonight it was at times merciful to watch.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 10-31-2007 10:33 PM]
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by firefly:

Dominant? This is Mr Dwight "If I cant dunk it, I cant do nothing with it" Howard we're talking about right?

The guy may be an amazing defensive player, but a dominant offensive force? Please!

he was posting up and scoring with spinning hook shots...using his left hand. it was pretty impressive. and he went 8-10 from the line (something he was working on over the summer). if he hits his ft's, he might become the best fantasy player this season.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-31-2007 11:21 PM]

I didn't see the game, so I shouldn't judge. But we saw that at times last year as well. And then he want for a 0 pointer. Just based on last year it seemed to me that Howard is just not very offensively aware. And seriously, who did he have to guard him last night? The worst No. 1 since Kwame and a 19 year old kid who just left his home continent for the first time ever. Personally, I'm not convinced yet.

Don't get me wrong, I'm ot beating up on Howard. I think he's awesome. Defensively, he's top 3 with Duncan and Garnett. And his athleticism is off the charts. But when asked to set up and score, it seems to me he doesn't have the instinct to just score the ball like KG, Zach or Duncan (physical post players).

Lets hope this is the year he how's more then just highlight reel slams. A guy who can average 16 ppg with no offensive game, if he finds his feet in the paint, whoo that really WILL be scary.
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^ I've always thought of Dwight as a poor man's Moses Malone...

(ie: same rebounding dominance, less scoring).
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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Posted by firefly:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by firefly:

Dominant? This is Mr Dwight "If I cant dunk it, I cant do nothing with it" Howard we're talking about right?

The guy may be an amazing defensive player, but a dominant offensive force? Please!

he was posting up and scoring with spinning hook shots...using his left hand. it was pretty impressive. and he went 8-10 from the line (something he was working on over the summer). if he hits his ft's, he might become the best fantasy player this season.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-31-2007 11:21 PM]

I didn't see the game, so I shouldn't judge. But we saw that at times last year as well. And then he want for a 0 pointer. Just based on last year it seemed to me that Howard is just not very offensively aware. And seriously, who did he have to guard him last night? The worst No. 1 since Kwame and a 19 year old kid who just left his home continent for the first time ever. Personally, I'm not convinced yet.

Don't get me wrong, I'm ot beating up on Howard. I think he's awesome. Defensively, he's top 3 with Duncan and Garnett. And his athleticism is off the charts. But when asked to set up and score, it seems to me he doesn't have the instinct to just score the ball like KG, Zach or Duncan (physical post players).

Lets hope this is the year he how's more then just highlight reel slams. A guy who can average 16 ppg with no offensive game, if he finds his feet in the paint, whoo that really WILL be scary.

he's no olajuwon and he still has a ways to go...but considering shaq's offensive game didn't really get going until his 4th/5th years in the league, dwight is on par. his defense is already dominant and his offense is developing. i would say that he along with lebron would be the only true untouchable players in the league.
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