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arkrud
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10/27/2007  12:23 PM
Eddy - same player as last year (surprise???!!!). Can drop 20+ every day if he will get proper feeds from the guards but out of shape and pretty useless in all other areas of the game. never improved in anything and looks like never will. Low impact player.
Zack - can score 20 on regular basis if eddy will be removed from his way. Very bad defender and need somebody around to keep him interested. Overall low impact. His legs are not looking good too.
Jeffries - another Isiah NY broken toy after Q. Don't expect him to stick around for long.
Craf - erratic and dramatic. His shooting further regressed with extra weight and he is a pansy.
Marbs - well... he always had one track mind and when he tries to use another tracks... everybody think he should not. His game is getting progressively worth with years ticking.
Overall starters are one of the worst collections of players in NBA.

Lee - great garbage man. will produce proportional to given playing time. Probably not a lot but enough to keep his reputattion as the desired player for every team in NBA.
Nate - can produce points given the playing time. But with time will come the turnovers and mental breaks. Not likely will be an impact player in 15 minutes given
Balk - should be good but will need 2-3 years to make an impact
Jones - scrubs are scrubs..., but there is no damage from his play. Give him his 5 min and he will play it good. Who cares zo...
Chan - will be a nice player in 2-3 years. No time for him to play in NY
Mardy – he needs 2-3 years to become NBA player. But he is promising.
Morris - same story.
Roze - are you kidding me? This guy should stay in locker-room.

looks like looooong bench. Pretty average for NBA and mostly useless.

Turd - I don’t think will see him playing

So is this team a lock for play-offs. Hmm... Stupid question.
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10/27/2007  7:06 PM
Posted by arkrud:

Eddy - same player as last year (surprise???!!!). Can drop 20+ every day if he will get proper feeds from the guards but out of shape and pretty useless in all other areas of the game. never improved in anything and looks like never will. Low impact player.
Zack - can score 20 on regular basis if eddy will be removed from his way. Very bad defender and need somebody around to keep him interested. Overall low impact. His legs are not looking good too.
Jeffries - another Isiah NY broken toy after Q. Don\'t expect him to stick around for long.
Craf - erratic and dramatic. His shooting further regressed with extra weight and he is a pansy.
Marbs - well... he always had one track mind and when he tries to use another tracks... everybody think he should not. His game is getting progressively worth with years ticking.
Overall starters are one of the worst collections of players in NBA.

Lee - great garbage man. will produce proportional to given playing time. Probably not a lot but enough to keep his reputattion as the desired player for every team in NBA.
Nate - can produce points given the playing time. But with time will come the turnovers and mental breaks. Not likely will be an impact player in 15 minutes given
Balk - should be good but will need 2-3 years to make an impact
Jones - scrubs are scrubs..., but there is no damage from his play. Give him his 5 min and he will play it good. Who cares zo...
Chan - will be a nice player in 2-3 years. No time for him to play in NY
Mardy – he needs 2-3 years to become NBA player. But he is promising.
Morris - same story.
Roze - are you kidding me? This guy should stay in locker-room.

looks like looooong bench. Pretty average for NBA and mostly useless.

Turd - I don’t think will see him playing

So is this team a lock for play-offs. Hmm... Stupid question.

Guard play has been bad. Jamal has never changed in his career--while he can score 50 and look like an all star he\'s just as likely to go 2-13 and is radically ineffcient. Marbury is facing father time faster and faster. Nate needs to play within himself--he can do it but consistently? He should always concentrate on pass first. Collins--give him his shot?

Knicks BIG frontline will win then 35 games but to get to 41+ they need more--
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10/27/2007  7:39 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by arkrud:

Eddy - same player as last year (surprise???!!!). Can drop 20+ every day if he will get proper feeds from the guards but out of shape and pretty useless in all other areas of the game. never improved in anything and looks like never will. Low impact player.
Zack - can score 20 on regular basis if eddy will be removed from his way. Very bad defender and need somebody around to keep him interested. Overall low impact. His legs are not looking good too.
Jeffries - another Isiah NY broken toy after Q. Don\'t expect him to stick around for long.
Craf - erratic and dramatic. His shooting further regressed with extra weight and he is a pansy.
Marbs - well... he always had one track mind and when he tries to use another tracks... everybody think he should not. His game is getting progressively worth with years ticking.
Overall starters are one of the worst collections of players in NBA.

Lee - great garbage man. will produce proportional to given playing time. Probably not a lot but enough to keep his reputattion as the desired player for every team in NBA.
Nate - can produce points given the playing time. But with time will come the turnovers and mental breaks. Not likely will be an impact player in 15 minutes given
Balk - should be good but will need 2-3 years to make an impact
Jones - scrubs are scrubs..., but there is no damage from his play. Give him his 5 min and he will play it good. Who cares zo...
Chan - will be a nice player in 2-3 years. No time for him to play in NY
Mardy – he needs 2-3 years to become NBA player. But he is promising.
Morris - same story.
Roze - are you kidding me? This guy should stay in locker-room.

looks like looooong bench. Pretty average for NBA and mostly useless.

Turd - I don’t think will see him playing

So is this team a lock for play-offs. Hmm... Stupid question.

Guard play has been bad. Jamal has never changed in his career--while he can score 50 and look like an all star he\'s just as likely to go 2-13 and is radically ineffcient. Marbury is facing father time faster and faster. Nate needs to play within himself--he can do it but consistently? He should always concentrate on pass first. Collins--give him his shot?

Knicks BIG frontline will win then 35 games but to get to 41+ they need more--


More what?
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10/28/2007  10:51 AM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by arkrud:

Eddy - same player as last year (surprise???!!!). Can drop 20+ every day if he will get proper feeds from the guards but out of shape and pretty useless in all other areas of the game. never improved in anything and looks like never will. Low impact player.
Zack - can score 20 on regular basis if eddy will be removed from his way. Very bad defender and need somebody around to keep him interested. Overall low impact. His legs are not looking good too.
Jeffries - another Isiah NY broken toy after Q. Don\\\'t expect him to stick around for long.
Craf - erratic and dramatic. His shooting further regressed with extra weight and he is a pansy.
Marbs - well... he always had one track mind and when he tries to use another tracks... everybody think he should not. His game is getting progressively worth with years ticking.
Overall starters are one of the worst collections of players in NBA.

Lee - great garbage man. will produce proportional to given playing time. Probably not a lot but enough to keep his reputattion as the desired player for every team in NBA.
Nate - can produce points given the playing time. But with time will come the turnovers and mental breaks. Not likely will be an impact player in 15 minutes given
Balk - should be good but will need 2-3 years to make an impact
Jones - scrubs are scrubs..., but there is no damage from his play. Give him his 5 min and he will play it good. Who cares zo...
Chan - will be a nice player in 2-3 years. No time for him to play in NY
Mardy – he needs 2-3 years to become NBA player. But he is promising.
Morris - same story.
Roze - are you kidding me? This guy should stay in locker-room.

looks like looooong bench. Pretty average for NBA and mostly useless.

Turd - I don’t think will see him playing

So is this team a lock for play-offs. Hmm... Stupid question.

Guard play has been bad. Jamal has never changed in his career--while he can score 50 and look like an all star he\\\'s just as likely to go 2-13 and is radically ineffcient. Marbury is facing father time faster and faster. Nate needs to play within himself--he can do it but consistently? He should always concentrate on pass first. Collins--give him his shot?

Knicks BIG frontline will win then 35 games but to get to 41+ they need more--


More what?

More effeciency from the backcourt.
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10/28/2007  10:59 AM
Did Somebody Say Analysis?

Zack - can score 20 on regular basis if eddy will be removed from his way. Very bad defender and need somebody around to keep him interested. Overall low impact. His legs are not looking good too.

Classic

arkrud - don't you think analysis should have some substantiating observations behind it that are beyone the superficial tripe that any casual glance would offer. What you are serving up as a so-called "analysis" could possibly be put in the category of somthing any blind man could offer up as opinion.

As a public service, here's an alternate, somewhat objective, "analytical" take on Zach Randolph

Forget the shape of his legs or the shape of his head, Zach is a rebounding demon (double figure average last season) who can also score in a veriety of ways. The gnashing of teeth over whether he and Eddy Curry will mesh may not ever be settled until January. The Knicks issue is not the two big men as much as it is finding a conisitent link at skill forward.

With that said, Zach will get his. The ball goes in his hands and it is headed towards the rack, either off the dribble or to his favorite spot from around 18 feet out. Look for him to find hoops rhythm with David Lee first, who is an unselfish target, and proceed from there.

The Answer Man's Fearless Prediction on Statistical output : Z will average 19 points and 12 rebounds per game.







[Edited by - misterearl on 10-28-2007 11:07 AM]
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10/28/2007  1:23 PM
Posted by misterearl:


Forget the shape of his legs or the shape of his head, Zach is a rebounding demon (double figure average last season) who can also score in a veriety of ways.
[Edited by - misterearl on 10-28-2007 11:07 AM]


I like Zach but he is not a rebounding demon, he's just well schooled and get's a fair amount of rebounds from boxing out and establishing position that you would expect a man of his size and that would translate to 7-8 rebound games. If he's worked up he'd bust his ass to get a few more on the defensive end and the odd one on the offensive glass which gives us some games with 12- 13 boards and this adds up to about a 9-10 rbpg avg. None too shabby but definitely not enough to cover Curry's deficiency . Playing him with Curry isnt the solution, playing him with a rebounding and fundamentally solid (defensively) Centre is. I've seen Zach with the Jailblazers before and i think it would be much easier to get him to play some D then Curry.

[Edited by - NineMike2Whiskey on 10-28-2007 1:25 PM]

[Edited by - NineMike2Whiskey on 10-28-2007 1:25 PM]
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10/28/2007  5:44 PM
Regarding Zach - he's incredibly mobile and active on offense. The big difference between him and Curry (and heck, Dirk Nowitzki) is that he moves very well without the ball and gets himself in positions of the floor where he can make an impact on offense.

Simply put, he's going to put up numbers night in and night out. Yes, he's a selfish player - selfish in the sense that he wants to be part of the action every time down the court. He goes after rebounds because he wants the ball so badly. He'll move into a position to catch the ball on offense because he wants the ball.

That's something you don't get from Eddy Curry. Yes, Curry's unstoppable once he gets the ball, but he needs his guards to really take care of him and look for him. Crawford is the only guy who can consistently get the rock to him.

More player analysis:
David Lee's great - kind of along the lines of a Shawn Marion in that he puts up numbers in the flow of the game w/o much fuss and w/o many/any plays called for him. We haven't seen anything from Balkman in the pre-season, but he's very much the same type of player. Excellent glue guy.

Marbury - geez, what's happened to him? It's like he's in his own world now. Before, his unbelievable athleticism/power carried him... but now that a little of that has been taken away (due to age/injuries), some lack of depth to his game has been exposed. I thought Marbury, Baron Davis, and Steve Francis were all more or less the same player - big isolation guys in the half court. Right now Marbury/Francis have broken down pretty similarly, but Davis seems to have added the ability to orchestrate a fast paced attack to his game.

Crawford - he's built a little thicker, but it remains to be seen whether his body will be able to hold up over the course of a season. His shot selection and decision making seem relatively poor. He's a good (not great) bad-shot shooter. He's a little small to be a starting SG in the NBA.

Q-Rich seems to have gained back some of his game, but his skills are a little on the low end for a SG, and he's a bit small for a SF.

I'm not quite sure what to make of Chandler - is there any reason to believe that he's any better than Ariza or Balkman or Lee? I can't figure out what his upside is - another Richard Jefferson/Matrix/Josh Howard? Something less?

In my opinion, Nate's been great - I think he's been placed in the unfair role of having to play SG because, well, Crawford and Marbury want to play PG. As a starting NBA PG, I bet Nate could be better than Damon Stoudemire in his prime. Given his size, I think there's a limited shelf-life for Nate Robinson in the NBA as as a potential elite player. Maybe he's got until his mid-late 20s to get it done, cuz when he loses a drop of his athleticism, it's probably over for him. If Marbury comes up with an injury, watch out!

Jared Jeffries is junk - bad signing. Very, very poor man's version of Derek McKey - I don't think he's quite what Isiah had in mind.

Randolph Morris seems like a solid enough backup center. He plays within himself. Probably could be just as effective as his Kentucky predecessors Magliore & Mohammed if given the playing time. Very no-frills.

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10/28/2007  7:19 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by arkrud:

Eddy - same player as last year (surprise???!!!). Can drop 20+ every day if he will get proper feeds from the guards but out of shape and pretty useless in all other areas of the game. never improved in anything and looks like never will. Low impact player.
Zack - can score 20 on regular basis if eddy will be removed from his way. Very bad defender and need somebody around to keep him interested. Overall low impact. His legs are not looking good too.
Jeffries - another Isiah NY broken toy after Q. Don\'t expect him to stick around for long.
Craf - erratic and dramatic. His shooting further regressed with extra weight and he is a pansy.
Marbs - well... he always had one track mind and when he tries to use another tracks... everybody think he should not. His game is getting progressively worth with years ticking.
Overall starters are one of the worst collections of players in NBA.

Lee - great garbage man. will produce proportional to given playing time. Probably not a lot but enough to keep his reputattion as the desired player for every team in NBA.
Nate - can produce points given the playing time. But with time will come the turnovers and mental breaks. Not likely will be an impact player in 15 minutes given
Balk - should be good but will need 2-3 years to make an impact
Jones - scrubs are scrubs..., but there is no damage from his play. Give him his 5 min and he will play it good. Who cares zo...
Chan - will be a nice player in 2-3 years. No time for him to play in NY
Mardy – he needs 2-3 years to become NBA player. But he is promising.
Morris - same story.
Roze - are you kidding me? This guy should stay in locker-room.

looks like looooong bench. Pretty average for NBA and mostly useless.

Turd - I don’t think will see him playing

So is this team a lock for play-offs. Hmm... Stupid question.

Guard play has been bad. Jamal has never changed in his career--while he can score 50 and look like an all star he\'s just as likely to go 2-13 and is radically ineffcient. Marbury is facing father time faster and faster. Nate needs to play within himself--he can do it but consistently? He should always concentrate on pass first. Collins--give him his shot?

Knicks BIG frontline will win then 35 games but to get to 41+ they need more--

Nate's biggest problem is his head. Lee, Balkman & Collins should be given major minutes. These three will bloom, with Chandler up and coming. This could be the nucleus to build around a star in the very near future. That star could be Kobe.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/28/2007  7:22 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Did Somebody Say Analysis?

Zack - can score 20 on regular basis if eddy will be removed from his way. Very bad defender and need somebody around to keep him interested. Overall low impact. His legs are not looking good too.

Classic

arkrud - don't you think analysis should have some substantiating observations behind it that are beyone the superficial tripe that any casual glance would offer. What you are serving up as a so-called "analysis" could possibly be put in the category of somthing any blind man could offer up as opinion.

As a public service, here's an alternate, somewhat objective, "analytical" take on Zach Randolph

Forget the shape of his legs or the shape of his head, Zach is a rebounding demon (double figure average last season) who can also score in a veriety of ways. The gnashing of teeth over whether he and Eddy Curry will mesh may not ever be settled until January. The Knicks issue is not the two big men as much as it is finding a conisitent link at skill forward.

With that said, Zach will get his. The ball goes in his hands and it is headed towards the rack, either off the dribble or to his favorite spot from around 18 feet out. Look for him to find hoops rhythm with David Lee first, who is an unselfish target, and proceed from there.

The Answer Man's Fearless Prediction on Statistical output : Z will average 19 points and 12 rebounds per game.







[Edited by - misterearl on 10-28-2007 11:07 AM]

I am not looking at Zack legs form sexy perspective ( )
Unfortunately I am straight and men are not of my interest.
I just noticed that he is not comfortable and looks in pain at some occasions. I have some bad feeling about his ability to play hard with his micro-fracture history. But it is just feeling. I can be wrong.
And I am not arguing his ability to produce 20/10 when he is THE MAN like he was in Portland.
But on the Knicks he will just take points/rebounds from Eddy/Lee and the impact will be low-to-nothing.
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10/28/2007  7:25 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Did Somebody Say Analysis?

Zack - can score 20 on regular basis if eddy will be removed from his way. Very bad defender and need somebody around to keep him interested. Overall low impact. His legs are not looking good too.

And you just know Isiah's going to be overlapping players playing times like no other coach. The one's who should sit more often, start and get the bulk, while the one's who should be starting and get major minutes will sit.

I'm starting to wonder if Isiah has some kind of visual disease? Maybe he see's number upside down. Maybe 23 wins and 59 loses looked like 59 - 23 to him. Maybe he see's the guys who get less minutes as 'more' minutes. Tune in for more analysis.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/28/2007  7:54 PM
If you go look up Curry and Zach and bring up their game by game logs, you will see that Zach is a much more consistent rebounder and scorer. Curry is all over the place. You'd almost have to rename him Eddie 'Eratic' Curry.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/28/2007  8:02 PM
Just to say... there's really nothing wrong w/ Nate... he plays just like his mentors on the team (Crawford/Marbury). You might want to put more onus on those two guys.


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