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playa2
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10/23/2007  9:48 AM
Nate
QRich
Chandler
Lee
Z-BO

Bench
marbury
crawford
balkman
Curry
9 in rotation interchangeable.


Reason:
When has our starting pg been able to penetrate effectively and consistently and not shoot ? This is where balance comes into play.

Remember the observation comment Kenny the jet mentioned while doing a knicks game.

He said a pg penetrating in the post is like having anotherpost player .

Steph can do it , but that isn't his game(LB showed me that) steph makes up his mind on the dribble that he's going to the rack and get fouled.

Where is the creactivity to make defenders run back to the 3pt line and open up the lane when he's in the game ? They know he's going to the hole period.

Nate when he takes his meds before the game can be unguardable when he has wings that can knock down shots.

The kid has been watching Nash and Baron Davis tapes great combination for his because of his quickness and explosivness.

Steph tries but that isn't his game.

I'm not hating on marbury really, I just see the knicks evolving into a different type of team and a creative pass 1st pg that can score is what we need.
The energy Nate brings along with his versatility marbury can't bring.

Whoever our big man coach is, they really need to listen to walt frazier.

Our big men have a bad habit of bringing the ball down low that makes them much smaller when defended on rebs or shots.


I like the help defense Chandler brings to the team and he's not afaraid to take the open Jumper, he and balkman are almost identicle I give him the nod over balkman(in starting lineup) because of range on his shot.

David Lee rebounded the ball very well, but offensively in the post needs to make up his mind sooner on what he's gonna do.

QRich he will have to be our junkyard dog in the starting lineup if he will continue to start. I like his 3's and defense when he's mad.


IMHO Marbury is limited on what he can do in a team concept, now I truly understand what LB wanted him to do .

Steph when he gets the ball won't distribute the ball in a jam , he only can drive to the basket.....I guess that's the playground in him.

Crawford should not start along with steph , but that will never happen.

IMHO that would make them play even better with the 2nd unit.

starting 5

Nate
Q Rich
Chandler
Lee
Randolph

This unit plays half court one on one they aren't needed early on in the game.

bench 2nd unit
Marbury
crawford
balkman
Curry

9 deep interchangeable




[Edited by - playa2 on 23-10-2007 10:02]
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10/23/2007  9:55 AM
Nate
QRich
Chandler
Lee
Z-BO
I think you need a better PG than that but I do like the idea of Lee and Zach in the starting lineup. I have no doubt that Zach would be a better center than Eddy even though he's physically 2 inches shorter.
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10/23/2007  9:59 AM
A better pg to do what ?

Nate undercontrol robinson is someone who can run around and distribute the ball to guys who can knock down shots or make easy layups.

Not just guys who like to shoot(jamal), this is why I changed the lineup.

crawford and marbury belong on the one on one 2nd unit along with curry with balkman being the energizer bunny playing defense.

This guys would do well against oppossing teams 2nd stringers.

[Edited by - playa2 on 23-10-2007 10:26]
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10/23/2007  10:38 AM
Here is my starting 5 that I believe give the team balance:

PG Marbury
SG Collins
SF Balkman
PF Randolph
C Curry

Curry and Randolph are the offense.

Marbury and Collins are the only ones on the team who can play PG. Collins might have the coolest head on the team.

Marbury needs to break down the defense and station himself for outside shots to give Curry and Randolph a good option to throw it out to.

Collins and Balkman don't need shots so they don't compete with the big men in the offense. At the same time, even though Collins isn't a good outside shooter, he can score pretty nicely on drives.

Balkman starts over Lee because he can actually guard his man on the perimeter, and rebound nearly as well as Lee. He also provides some interior defense and some extra dribbling ability.

Balkman and Collins will be bigger and stronger than most of the guys they are guarding so they should rebound well.

Mabury, Balkman, and Collins all can finish pretty well on the break so that part of the offense is not lost either.

That's the team I would start with.

Also, Isiah should run the offense through Randolph, not Curry. A dunk or layup from Curry is just as good coming from a Randolph pass (Or a rebound!) as it is from a guard feed. But Randolph understands how to pass out much better than black-hole Curry.

oohah


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10/23/2007  10:39 AM
Second Unit:

C Curry or Randolph
PF Lee
SF Chandler
SG/SF Richardson
PG/SG Crawford


The second unit is teaming with tweeners, but it shifts the offensive focus to the guards and not so much the front court.

Of course you can mix in Collins or Balkman to up the defense, and even Lil' Nate can bring the instant offense in place of Crawford if need be.

Randolph Morris is there in case of Foul Trouble.

oohah
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10/23/2007  11:18 AM
Posted by oohah:

Here is my starting 5 that I believe give the team balance:

PG Marbury
SG Collins
SF Balkman
PF Randolph
C Curry

Curry and Randolph are the offense.

Marbury and Collins are the only ones on the team who can play PG. Collins might have the coolest head on the team.

Marbury needs to break down the defense and station himself for outside shots to give Curry and Randolph a good option to throw it out to.

Collins and Balkman don't need shots so they don't compete with the big men in the offense. At the same time, even though Collins isn't a good outside shooter, he can score pretty nicely on drives.

Balkman starts over Lee because he can actually guard his man on the perimeter, and rebound nearly as well as Lee. He also provides some interior defense and some extra dribbling ability.

Balkman and Collins will be bigger and stronger than most of the guys they are guarding so they should rebound well.

Mabury, Balkman, and Collins all can finish pretty well on the break so that part of the offense is not lost either.

That's the team I would start with.

Also, Isiah should run the offense through Randolph, not Curry. A dunk or layup from Curry is just as good coming from a Randolph pass (Or a rebound!) as it is from a guard feed. But Randolph understands how to pass out much better than black-hole Curry.

oohah

A combo of Mardy and Balk on the wings means Eddy and ZAch will be surrounded in the paint. I would replace Mardy with Q, for now.

I'd perfer an energetic second unit of Lee, Chandler, Craw and Nate with Randolph or Curry manning middle to give us a complete change of pace. That unit can press, create turnovers and get out and run. Craw will excell with that unit as long as its uptempo and freeflowing. The second unit gives us a brand new team/philosphy that the opposition has to deal with.

"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
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10/23/2007  12:09 PM
Our SF(chandler) and SG Q Rich) must knock down open shots or curry and z-bo would not be a factor. those two guys know how to pass the rock along with nate to keep it moving ,anything less than that would be unbalanced.

This is what the knicks haven't had in a long time.
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10/23/2007  12:22 PM
I'm for shipping Marbury, Curry and Crawford out to LA.


This is why we need a new starting lineup, those 3 above does not fit what we want to do at the beginning of games.

How many games last yr did isiah had to call a time out early in the first qtr because of sluggish play.
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10/23/2007  5:06 PM
Posted by oohah:

Here is my starting 5 that I believe give the team balance:

PG Marbury
SG Collins
SF Balkman
PF Randolph
C Curry

What happens when teams play a zone against that line up ?

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10/23/2007  6:00 PM
not that it's gonna happen anytime soon....but...

collins
craw (only because of chemistry with curry)
balky
randolph
curry

or a more radical...
collins
balky
lee
randolph
curry


most likely......
marbs
craw
balky
zach
curry
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10/25/2007  10:13 AM
Nate
Q Rich
Chandler
Lee
z-bo

This lineup covers all the weaknesses we had in the past.

Curry and Steph and Jamal might sulk at the change , but if they are all about team this lineup solidifies how well we could start games.
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10/25/2007  10:36 AM
All this proves is that no matter what lineup Zeke uses, someone will not like it.
Hey , just for kicks and giggles can I play?

If I Ruled The World I Go Wit All Yoots

Mardy Collins - for his defensive tenacity and steady hand at the controls, get well soon
Crawford - for all his improvisation, he plays without fear in the clutch
Balkman - the condo version of Dennis Rodman
Randolph - #50 looks good in the home white uni
Lee - ball movement, if 6'9 was good enough for Dave freakin' Cowens...

next up

Nate - keep up the good work, we love you... really
Nichols - two guard du jour
Wilson Chandler - just because he can get a hand in Paul Pierce's face
Morris - will only get better with experience
Curry - no pressure, heal thy shoulder

everyone else can take a hike


once a knick always a knick
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10/25/2007  10:46 AM
Posted by misterearl:

All this proves is that no matter what lineup Zeke uses, someone will not like it.
Hey , just for kicks and giggles can I play?

If I Ruled The World I Go Wit All Yoots

Mardy Collins - for his defensive tenacity and steady hand at the controls, get well soon
Crawford - for all his improvisation, he plays without fear in the clutch
Balkman - the condo version of Dennis Rodman
Randolph - #50 looks good in the home white uni
Lee - ball movement, if 6'9 was good enough for Dave freakin' Cowens...


Mista , Boston's scout checks out the knicks previous game and brings the report of the starting lineup,if the celtics go zone on that lineup^

who is that starting lineup is gonna shoot them out of the zone defense at the beginning of games ?
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10/25/2007  11:22 AM
That would really bother me if we gave up a couple lottery picks for a bench player.
I just hope that people will like me
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10/25/2007  4:15 PM
Zeke panicked and had to get a wide body, he wasn't concerned about salary cap money , so we got a dud . I hope curry can handle not being the focal point of the offense and still function properly.
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10/25/2007  4:44 PM
Play small ball and our best defenders

Mardy
Q
Balk
Lee
Randolph
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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10/25/2007  11:53 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Play small ball and our best defenders

Mardy
Q
Balk
Lee
Randolph

This will work if Frazer will stop talking and start couching...
I forget to mention that IT should be gone long before...
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10/26/2007  1:01 AM

Curry might have been the Knicks MVP last season and can't crack most posters starting lineup this year....interesting..
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10/26/2007  6:30 AM
This maybe why eddy hasn't adapted to the new lineup yet.

Isiah forced the ball into curry last yr to be the focal point on offense.

This year players have another option when curry on the court in the starting lineup and feel more comfortable feeding Z-BO rather than curry.



[Edited by - playa2 on 03-11-2007 09:44]
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11/3/2007  9:48 AM
Nate
QRich
Chandler
Lee
Z-BO

We need a balanced starting unit to go along with a curry lead 2nd unit.

Marbury
crawford
balkman
Lee or Z-BO Interact
Curry

when we can defend the perimitter play collins and Nate or fred jones in the backcourt

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