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10/19/2007  8:35 PM
What do you think was Isiah's worst draft pick.
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10/19/2007  8:44 PM
Hands down taking Frye over Bynum.
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10/19/2007  8:45 PM
balkman. he was totally avaialable at 29. we could have had marcus williams, the human assist, in balkman's spot. the dude is the second coming of rod strickland.
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10/19/2007  10:10 PM
I agree with Marv about the Balkman pick. I wish he was as committed to being a draft guru this year to play Nichols and waive 'the defensive stopper' Fred Jones. You know your stock has dropped when you go from being the guy who is going to take Reggie Miller's place to a role player who might stick because of his defense.
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10/19/2007  10:53 PM
If you consider his entire career it would be Fred Jones with the 14th pick.
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10/19/2007  10:56 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

If you consider his entire career it would be Fred Jones with the 14th pick.


Arrogant little prick is likely keeping him on so he can't be proved wrong with that pick.
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10/20/2007  8:31 AM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by CrushAlot:

If you consider his entire career it would be Fred Jones with the 14th pick.


Arrogant little prick is likely keeping him on so he can't be proved wrong with that pick.

We just found the agenda for this season. Make Freddie Jones an All-Star.
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10/20/2007  10:37 AM
Fred Jones was picked by Donnie Walsh.

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10/20/2007  10:38 AM
What is Fred Jones good at? I've been watching the preseason games trying to figure that out.
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10/20/2007  10:56 AM
Posted by oohah:

Fred Jones was picked by Donnie Walsh.

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Often when people like the pick they credit Isiah, when they don't they credit Walsh.
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Posted by BlueSeats:
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Fred Jones was picked by Donnie Walsh.

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Often when people like the pick they credit Isiah, when they don't they credit Walsh.

Really? I've seen the opposite on this board, for example, see above.

Walsh was the GM of Indiana when Jones was picked. It's on his record, he gets the credit for the pick. To credit anyone else would not be correct.

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10/20/2007  10:59 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

What is Fred Jones good at? I've been watching the preseason games trying to figure that out.


He's something of a classic isiah draft pick. A combo-tweener type who's strength is his athleticism and his deficits are his undefined skillsets.
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10/20/2007  11:02 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:
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Fred Jones was picked by Donnie Walsh.

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Often when people like the pick they credit Isiah, when they don't they credit Walsh.

Really? I've seen the opposite on this board, for example, see above.

Walsh was the GM of Indiana when Jones was picked. It's on his record, he gets the credit for the pick. To credit anyone else would not be correct.

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Obviously the same game is played on both sides of the isle. But thanks for weighing in with your opinion of Fred Jones.

However, I stand with you, the ultimate responsibility lands with the GM, just like Isiah and Francis.
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Obviously the same game is played on both sides of the isle. But thanks for weighing in with your opinion of Fred Jones.

Good one!

However, I am not as down on Fred Jones as most around here. I think he can be useful as a specialist, and he has shown the ability to put up some big numbers in a game. I don't think Nichols will be able to legitimately beat out Fred Jones for at least a couple of seasons.
However, I stand with you, the ultimate responsibility lands with the GM, just like Isiah and Francis.

Can it be any other way?

At the same time, the coach should and does have a lot of input into draft picks and other transactions.

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10/20/2007  11:23 AM
Posted by oohah:
Obviously the same game is played on both sides of the isle. But thanks for weighing in with your opinion of Fred Jones.

Good one!

However, I am not as down on Fred Jones as most around here. I think he can be useful as a specialist, and he has shown the ability to put up some big numbers in a game. I don't think Nichols will be able to legitimately beat out Fred Jones for at least a couple of seasons.

I honestly don't know enough about some of the kids to weigh in. Chandler, Nichols and Jordan are little known to me. Fred jones seems like a Shandon Anderson type, and I mean that without all the Laydenesque baggage and associations. There's not a whole lot of upside, but every team needs a few of them, but I'd go with whichever best represents the future, not the present, and I suspect that disfavors Jones.
However, I stand with you, the ultimate responsibility lands with the GM, just like Isiah and Francis.

Can it be any other way?

At the same time, the coach should and does have a lot of input into draft picks and other transactions.

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That's how it's supposed to work, and when it doesn't is when you see the kinds of problems we've seen here under Isiah.
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10/20/2007  11:29 AM
frye and nate - tie.

they were not what the team needed.

Granger at 8 and Ellis at 21 and NY's outlook at key spots is a helluva lot brighter.

and i like lee but would've and still would take gomes over him at 30.


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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:
Obviously the same game is played on both sides of the isle. But thanks for weighing in with your opinion of Fred Jones.

Good one!

However, I am not as down on Fred Jones as most around here. I think he can be useful as a specialist, and he has shown the ability to put up some big numbers in a game. I don't think Nichols will be able to legitimately beat out Fred Jones for at least a couple of seasons.

I honestly don't know enough about some of the kids to weigh in. Chandler, Nichols and Jordan are little known to me. Fred jones seems like a Shandon Anderson type, and I mean that without all the Laydenesque baggage and associations. There's not a whole lot of upside, but every team needs a few of them, but I'd go with whichever best represents the future, not the present, and I suspect that disfavors Jones.
However, I stand with you, the ultimate responsibility lands with the GM, just like Isiah and Francis.

Can it be any other way?

At the same time, the coach should and does have a lot of input into draft picks and other transactions.

oohah
That's how it's supposed to work, and when it doesn't is when you see the kinds of problems we've seen here under Isiah.

Do you think the fact that Jones is going to m ake the team for sure, and that he is here for that matter, has anything to do with Walsh's influence on Thomas?

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Chandler is on the team already, and Jordan is a project. I think Nichols presents "A Future", but not "The Future". Guys like him or even better float around all the time, just like Matt Carrol and Matt Barnes, Udoka, Diawara etc.

Hey man, you should join Eny's league! Trust me it's fun. That is where we get to test our knowledge and feelings in a less theoretical way!

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10/20/2007  1:54 PM
Does isiah study defense? Because this team cannot play any D.
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10/20/2007  5:22 PM
Posted by oohah:


Do you think the fact that Jones is going to m ake the team for sure, and that he is here for that matter, has anything to do with Walsh's influence on Thomas?

Not really, do you? I think Isiah's ego plays a much greater role. Fred jones is a low point on Isiah's draft record and I think he'd like to prove his critics wrong. And the reason I ascribe jones to Isiah in that way (opposed to Walsh) is that Jones seems like a prototypical Isiah draft choice to me.

OTOH, it's also possible that Jones personality was a calming influence on that turbulent Pacers team, so he might like Jones on some personal level.
Chandler is on the team already, and Jordan is a project. I think Nichols presents "A Future", but not "The Future". Guys like him or even better float around all the time, just like Matt Carrol and Matt Barnes, Udoka, Diawara etc.

Isn't Nichols supposed to be more of a pure shooter than some of those guys?
Hey man, you should join Eny's league! Trust me it's fun. That is where we get to test our knowledge and feelings in a less theoretical way!

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Maybe sometime I'll try a fantasy league, but I don't even know how they work, and you guys test my knowledge enough as it is...

I hope you'll be active on the board again.
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Not really, do you? I think Isiah's ego plays a much greater role. Fred jones is a low point on Isiah's draft record and I think he'd like to prove his critics wrong. And the reason I ascribe jones to Isiah in that way (opposed to Walsh) is that Jones seems like a prototypical Isiah draft choice to me.

OTOH, it's also possible that Jones personality was a calming influence on that turbulent Pacers team, so he might like Jones on some personal level.

It's possible, but he might be Isiah's reclamation project like you are saying. I don't agree with many that Jones is a useless player. He just not as good as he was supposed to be. He's gotten time and put up some solid numbers but with low percentages and better than average defense from the little I've seen.

He's probably just too short for his game.
Isn't Nichols supposed to be more of a pure shooter than some of those guys?

They all had their question marks. Carrol was quite good at Notre Dame, but he had to prove he could drive enough to keep defenses honest as well as guard his man at this level. It took him a few years and teams.

Barnes was always considered athletic and a decent defensive player, but he was so skinny, he had to prove he could physically play in the NBA as well as score enough not to be a liability.

Udoka and Daiwara have the pro physique, they had to improve their skillset (I believe Diawara is much younger.)

Similarly, I think Nichols looks awfully thin and undeveloped compared to most NBA guys. That makes me question his D, and I haven't seen anything to make me believe he is even average at defense for the NBA. I don't see that he has much to offer beside lining it up and shooting. I saw a black hole mentality from him during summer league and I don't think he is good enough to play that way.

Don't get me wrong, I think he is a borderline NBA player right now. I just don't think he can offer much at this time. In my view it's not like he is a raw potential star. So I wouldn't worry too much about him.

Maybe sometime I'll try a fantasy league, but I don't even know how they work, and you guys test my knowledge enough as it is...

I hope you'll be active on the board again.

Well, my drop in participation was always a foregone conclusion. My business has been growing for the past few years and I am at the point now where I have to be very careful with my use of time. I'm around a little more now because I am laid up on crutches and it's getting near the season so I am a little more interested.

I'll probably check in when things are actually happen to talk about, but I have lost my zest for going over the same 3 arguments day in and day out, you know what I am saying?

Anyway, as far as fantasy league, there isn't that much to know. You draft the players you think will do well and you play them. You can make trades, waive players and it's fun. It kind of lets you do the arguing with the actual players, instead of long-winded paragraphs quoted to the syllable.

Check you later,

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