And all I will say is that the defensive effort was so bad, the Celtics got so many lay-ups that the Knicks probably would have played better D had they not played any at all. At some point they have to learn that if they want to be legitimate they have to take the Defensive side of the ball seriously.

At some point

PS: I personlly don't think pre-season is all that important and won't get too worked up about last night. But geeeez. When are we going to start giving the effort on D.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 18-10-2007 06:57 AM]

Posted by Bippity10:


I personlly don't think pre-season is all that important and won't get too worked up about last night.

Don't you care if the Knicks win the pre-season championship?

bipppity - Ira claims Lee was the only Knick who played last night. I contend they all sucked.

who is right?

can The Mayor play the three or what?

Posted by misterearl:

bipppity - Ira claims Lee was the only Knick who played last night. I contend they all sucked.

who is right?

can The Mayor play the three or what?

I'm rewatching now on Tivo

The first quarter was all core players. We started our regular starters adn then subbed in our regular 2nd team. We ended the quarter with DLee, Curry, Q, Jones and Nate. So in the first quarter when we played no D and gave up lay-up after layup it was our regular rotation. First quarter we were down 12 or so.

2nd quarter-started with the Randolph, Jones, Lee, Crawford and Nate. Down 10
At the 9:52 mark Nate was subbed out and Marbs was put back in. So far probably not much different than what will happen in the regular season. Offense is sloppy but that's fine in the pre-season. Defense is ridiculous. Every shot the Celtics take is an unchallenged lay-up or a jumper without a man within 10 feet of the shooter. 8:11 mark Mardy subs for Fred Jones. Down 12. Still no defense. Jones was the only guy playing D. Curry back in for DLee.

5 minute mark-Q, Craw, Malik, Curry and Mardy. Down 14. Sloppy offense. Again, no problem with that. Nobody is guarding Scalabrini or any of the guards. Only problem with the offense is it is all one on one play. Product of pre-season? Just who we are? You decide. Defense must get better. I'm angry watching it again. Guys are loafing back on the break. Guards are turning the corner uncontested. It's inexcusable. Down 16 with 3 to go. Down 13 at the half

The second half was a smorgasbord of players and definitely contributed to the magnitude of the loss. That's why I'm saying don't get to worked up about the score. Isiah was subbing guys in and letting different units play together in the second half and the offense was poor. I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is the absolute indifference to defense.

What really is bothersome is that In the Two and a half weeks defense was the main focus of the camps.

All the talk about how excited they are, came in shape, really can't wait to get it together, Blah blah blah.

I could see them playing frenzied but out of synch as a good preseason reason for getting blown out.

It ain't like the Celts are in preseason form. YOu got three allstars and the rest are roll players. That team has been totally redone and one could see if they got blown out it would have reason.

Larry was right with this core, they are not motivated.

Smile Isiah, life is good!

I repeat the offense was really sloppy. I'm with you Nalod, not a problem with that. It was sloppy with and without Curry/Randolph. Lot of one on one play. But we've seen that even with the one on one play we can put 105 on the board. That's not an issue. The one on one play becomes more of a problem when we are attempting comebacks or need good shots. But I"m starting to realize that's simply who we are and isn't going to change. s

The real problem is the defensive end. The play with Garnett loafing up court and yet still beating everyone by 20 feet to the basket for a dunk was inexcusable. There was play after play like that. At what point does this change? LB's season was too soon because we hated the coach and couldn't play defense. Last season was too soon because we were too young and not used to playing together. Pre-season is too soon because the games don't matter. When does it start to become a necessity?

This can't be a sometimes thing. If we are to be legit and not experience another mediocre-horrible year these guys have to start playing defense today.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 18-10-2007 09:38 AM]

Don't you mean "the Congressman"?

No, Jones is the Congressman. And Balkman is the Alderman.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 10-18-2007 10:23]

Posted by Panos:

BBJ, your signature brings a whole new meaning to "getting on the bandwagon".

Right. It's no longer about "Jumping on the bandwagon". It's about "Getting in the truck."

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by BasketballJones:

Posted by Bippity10:

2nd quarter-started with the Randolph, Jones, Lee, Crawford and Nate. Down 10
At the 9:52 mark Nate was subbed out and Marbs was put back in. So far probably not much different than what will happen in the regular season. Offense is sloppy but that's fine in the pre-season. Defense is ridiculous. Every shot the Celtics take is an unchallenged lay-up or a jumper without a man within 10 feet of the shooter. 8:11 mark Mardy subs for Fred Jones. Down 12. Still no defense. Jones was the only guy playing D. Curry back in for DLee.

That's why we need to keep Jones.

Oh really? Ok, lets examine this game one second.

The ending score was 101-61. 101 points is a common score for this Celtics team and really a whole bunch of other teams, especially in preseason. 61 points is not. Absolutely we could have played more defense, but our OFFENSE let us down.

How much did Mr. Fred Jones contribute to our offense? What that? What did you say, he's there for defense? Oh, ok and how much impact did he have on the game last night? Oh, not much because the Celtics managed to score 101 points.

Jamal Crawford, Allan Houston, Stephon Marbury, Quentin Richardson, and Nate Robinson were all effective from the outside. Oh, if only we had someone who could hit 3's consistently and no, i'm not talking about Fred "34.1%" Jones.

If it hadn't been for the Congressman the Celtics would have scored 250 points.

how did the celtics do? they've got players that have never played together- Garnett, Allen & Pierce- somehow, they've developed chemistry & bb iq in this short pre-season.