Posted by Bippity10:

With the talent on this team, there is no reason for this team to finish with under 40 wins. Under 37 would be an outrage. And yet we are all filled with apprehension

we're still building... stop being so impatient! sheesh

Taking the under, which I didn't, would mean that this season was a complete abomination...again. There's no way Isiah should survive that. So naturally I'm hoping I'm wrong.

Posted by sebstar:

we're still building... stop being so impatient! sheesh

But you are filling the role to a tee. Being snide and dismissive about a team and its fans before said team even hits the floor. I know, I know, a few losing seasons are your justification, ye ol' long suffering Knicks faithful.

How thoughtless of me to anticipate the impact of a 20/10 power forward and the continued development of young players. Foolhardy lova.

Its 44 wins or bust.

Lighten up, Seb. He said "sheesh". Doesn't that count for something? I think you owe him an apology.

Posted by sebstar:

Isnt it getting old to you? If I blindly asked someone to evaluate the tone and the pulse of this site, almost assuredly people would come away with the conclusion that this must be ultimateceltics.com, because there is no way legit fans could be this dour and incessantly acerbic. I think we get the point.

Can I get one post about the legitimate prospects about the team this year? Does everything have to be couched in a lover/hater debate, or a referendum on the integrity of Zeke, or our winning percentage, or lack thereof the last few years. This team can do damage this year, if you are unwilling to see that then thats your problem. People havent gotten the dog days of summer, hating ass gossip reflexes out of their system yet? Notice how I only address people who should know better.

Dude, I'm so hyped for the Knicks I've been refreshing this stupid Sopcast thing for the last half-hour trying to watch a PRESEASON GAME -- HAHA!!! And trust me, I could probably be making better use of my time. But yeah, I'm hyped. I love basketball. It's just that I don't think I can change the way things are going on the board. I mean, bball talk has taken a backseat unfortunately. It's not my job to fix that. And I think it's gonna fix itself shortly. I mean, how much longer can we go on with this BS banter about hater this, lover that. Don't people realize we ain't even talking Knicks no more? It's gotten so abstract. Now we talk about the way people talk about the Knicks. It's actually hilarious to me. I see you got the passion for real bball talk so I respect that -- all I can say, is we're gonna get there homey. Trust me. The forum-wide temper tantrum is gonna solve itself.

am I the only under so far?

Voting after the celts blew us out maybe doesn't count.

Posted by nixluva:

I still believe this team has 46 wins in it. A bad preseason loss doesn't change my opinion. I can understand the line being set there based on the statistics.

As usual for last 8 years this team can go for anything from 20 to 41.
And this actually depends on luck, health, boos, reps, schedule, and NY team doctor’s performance.
If this all things will line up like planets on good side - 41 is the number.
If all goes bad - 28 is the number.
And this is nothing to do with GM, coaches, and players. They are our Knicks and cannot go wrong.

First of all, the mere fact that the over/under is so low is an indictment on this franchise and on the job Isiah has done.

That said, if we cannot come in with more than 37 wins, then there is no way Isiah survives, and the Garden is going to be one ugly place all season long.

Posted by Erniecat:

First of all, the mere fact that the over/under is so low is an indictment on this franchise

That is the big point. 37 wins if freakin awful for any team, let alone a team of veteran starters.

24 over and 2 under. Why do we have the lovers/haters debate again? Is there any logic behind the debate or simply people that over-react to the obvious positivity and negativity of 7 or 8 posters.