He's a alright GM when. His drafting is good but doesn't know how to put the right players together with reasonable contracts.

Isiah is the best GM we ever had.

1 : 16.67%

Best GM we ever had
0 : 0%

He's a good GM
1 : 16.67%

He's a fair GM
4 : 66.67%

He's horrible and not worth keeping
0 : 0%

The worst GM we ever had

Obviously Islesfan has not voted yet!

am Knicks fan for 8 years - so he is the worst ever for me

Posted by majorleads:

Here is the same poll being run at realgm...

Damn Boston fans...

Posted by nixluva:

Despite that tho, he managed to make the most of those deals and only the Jerome James deal really haunts him right now. Everything else has worked out well in the end.

I don't see how you can honestly believe that. Who knows how the draft picks will turn out. To compound that further, he traded away a pick that could have yielded Brandon Roy and the Marbury deal hasn't been completed yet. He passed up players like Danny Granger and Gerald Green (for Charmin Frye) and Jarret Jack (for the Circus Midget) in 2005 and the one player that looks for real was the guy he deferred to his staff on. So that #2 pick could have yielded LaMarcus Aldridge, Tyrus Thomas, Roy, Randy Foye, or Rudy Gay. All of these players look like they're legit. We'll see how Noah, Law, the Youngs, Thornton, Stuckey, Williams, Bellinelli, Dudley, (and to a lesser extent:) Crittendon, Smith and Cook pan out this year.

Everything has not worked out well in the end--yet. You can't spin the unknown. It's impossible to determine if Isiah got maximum value for these selections when we don't know if he traded away the rights to draft an All Star.. twice over in one deal and potentially another in the Marbury deal. Throw in that there is no payroll flexibility, everything he's done HAS to work or the franchise is set back another 5-10 years. I mean, James and Ared Effries combine for $11 million in salary... which is about 23% of the cap.

Simply put, he's done a terrible job. Spending that type of money and mortgaging so much of the team's future, arationale person would have expected better, tangible results.

Almost everyone (82%) has him at fair, horrible, or the worst ever. He's earned it.

Posted by nixluva:

He's a Fair GM. I think he get's slammed for moves he made that were part of fulfilling Dolan's mandate to make the playoffs. Dolan didn't want a rebuild, so Isiah toted the party line, even tho i'm convinced that he would've wanted to get rid of all those old guys and get his kind of players in here. Since the 2005 draft he's done a great job of finding good young talent, but he made some bad trades and MLE signings. Despite that tho, he managed to make the most of those deals and only the Jerome James deal really haunts him right now. Everything else has worked out well in the end. This team is talented and younger. The team is ready for a nice run.

Despite the bashing, this team has one of the best C, PF and SF contingents in the league. As a group they are a top Scoring, Rebounding, FTA and Shooting % group. I like what we have in Curry, Zach, Lee, Q, Jared, Balkman and Chan. The oldest guy in that group is Q at 27. We look like we're set for a good while. How bad can isiah be looking at the talent in that group alone?

Sometimes it's not a matter of a few moves and you make to improve, sometimes it's just not meant to be. Dolan & Isiah I beleive need to go. As long as one's around, the others gonna make the other look bad. And I don't see Dolan leaving first either.

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by nixluva:

Despite that tho, he managed to make the most of those deals and only the Jerome James deal really haunts him right now. Everything else has worked out well in the end.

I don't see how you can honestly believe that. Who knows how the draft picks will turn out. To compound that further, he traded away a pick that could have yielded Brandon Roy and the Marbury deal hasn't been completed yet. He passed up players like Danny Granger and Gerald Green (for Charmin Frye) and Jarret Jack (for the Circus Midget) in 2005 and the one player that looks for real was the guy he deferred to his staff on. So that #2 pick could have yielded LaMarcus Aldridge, Tyrus Thomas, Roy, Randy Foye, or Rudy Gay. All of these players look like they're legit. We'll see how Noah, Law, the Youngs, Thornton, Stuckey, Williams, Bellinelli, Dudley, (and to a lesser extent:) Crittendon, Smith and Cook pan out this year.

Everything has not worked out well in the end--yet. You can't spin the unknown. It's impossible to determine if Isiah got maximum value for these selections when we don't know if he traded away the rights to draft an All Star.. twice over in one deal and potentially another in the Marbury deal. Throw in that there is no payroll flexibility, everything he's done HAS to work or the franchise is set back another 5-10 years. I mean, James and Ared Effries combine for $11 million in salary... which is about 23% of the cap.

Simply put, he's done a terrible job. Spending that type of money and mortgaging so much of the team's future, arationale person would have expected better, tangible results.

Isiah deferring to his staff isn't a negative. That's why you hire competent people and he doesn't get enough credit for the skills of his trusted staff. Every year they find gems at spots that people said we wouldn't get much. Don't try to diss him as if every other GM doesn't have scouts and advisors. COME ON!

You mentioned a lot of young players and in terms of Franchise type players, I don't see one. Roye might be, but even then is still yet to be seen how good he really is. That's not reason enough to suggest that Isiah made the wrong choices. Frye has turned into Zach, so I don't see your point there. You can't really complain about Jared in terms of his money. Lot's of guys in the NBA are overpaid. That's not the point. Jerome is still the biggest mistake IMO. The remainder of the team is actually pretty good in terms of what they get paid and the high ticket guys like Steph and Malik are almost done.

When mentioning who you think Isiah could've gotten, you fail to show exactly who he HAS gotten. Lee so far has shown that he's a very good role player for this team. People look down on that, but a lot of teams wish they had a guy like him. Zach and Curry are BEASTS and they're relatively young. All of our other young players are coming along and I think that as a team we don't lack for talent compared to most teams. Nate seems to be coming along. Mardy, Balk and Chan all look like solid players for the future. You need to stop believing the grass is greener in the other teams yard. This is a good team Isiah has put together.

Arkrud, I don't think there are any Great GM's to be had right now. Who are you thinking of, cuz I don't know who get's that title and is available right now. How many teams would you say actually have great GM's. Perhaps SA, Tor, Det... There aren't that many in any case. Tell me does Isiah move up a notch if this team does well this year and makes a good playoff run?