Posted by playa2:

Ric Bucher on sportscenter, said that Kobe was ready to begin the season with the mindset that the Los Angeles Lakers were not going to grant his wish and trade him, but now that they have mentioned the possibility, he wants it to happen as soon as possible. Here are the deals he mentioned that were discussed.

Dallas offered Jason Terry and Josh Howard for him but that was rejected by Buss after a few days of thinking about it.

Then said, Chicago has been close but Lakers want Deng and Bulls wont bite.

Chicago offered Ben Gordon, Anocioni, and Tyrus Thomas

LA wanted Deng included but Chicago wouldn't bite.

Deng Gordon and Thomas at the very least, but the money still doesn't doesn't matchup. Big ben has to be included.

Steven A-hole Smith said the Bulls are contemplating Gordon, Nocioni, Thomas and Noah along with pick and a filler for Kobe.
Just throw in someone like Griffin and the trade works according to realgm trade checker.

Gordon 4.8
Nocioni 8.5
Thomas 3.5
Noah 2.1
Griffin 1.6

for Kobe 19.5

There goes our 2 lottery picks for KB. Isiah gets a 2 for 1 in this deal. He helps the Bulls get a superstar who could possibly get them to the NBA finals while also helping the Lakers rebuild with some quality youth. Wow, very impressive Zeke! But it's ok, once Eddy Curry gets healthy, we get to look forward to him being "in shape" this season.

There goes our 2 lottery picks for KB. Isiah gets a 2 for 1 in this deal. He helps the Bulls get a superstar who could possibly get them to the NBA finals while also helping the Lakers rebuild with some quality youth.

You probably damn well called it dude.

Posted by 4949:

I gotta admit playa, I'm not use to seeing you on the Knicks forum. I keep expecting to see some kind of conspiracy theory or how society disrespected your shoes.

ROFL

I'd like to take a moment and give you a friendly reminder that the Knicks are something like 1-9 against the bulls since Curry came over. Hardly the next Shaq. He can't even be a factor in beating his old team and he's the one who had something to prove. Phony written all over him. I expect the Knicks to be swept by the bulls again this season. So what your saying is 'how dare you. I wouldn't make a move that would get us to the final four in the playoffs. They don't grow big stupid dorks on trees you know.'

If we offered Curry, Nate, Lee, and Crawford (which is the trade playa2 proposed yesterday) for Kobe and Kwame Brown, I don't see how the Lakers pass on that. They could trade Odom and Bynum for O' Neal and they would have a lineup of Fisher, Crawford, Walton, O' Neal, and Curry, with Nate, Lee, and Turiaf off the bench.

That would leave use Marbury, Kobe, Balkman, Randolph, and start Brown at center, with Collins, Q, and Chandler on the bench.

[Edited by - thegame on 10-13-2007 07:10 AM]

Posted by TheGame:

If we offered Curry, Nate, Lee, and Crawford (which is the trade playa2 proposed yesterday) for Kobe and Kwame Brown, I don't see how the Lakers pass on that. They could trade Odom and Bynum for O' Neal and they would have a lineup of Fisher, Crawford, Walton, O' Neal, and Curry, with Nate, Lee, and Turiaf off the bench.

That would leave use Marbury, Kobe, Balkman, Randolph, and start Brown at center, with Collins, Q, and Chandler on the bench.

[Edited by - thegame on 10-13-2007 07:10 AM]

If the Lakers trade Kobe, they certainly aren't going to turn around and trade Bynum and Odom for Oneal. If they trade Kobe, they are blowing up their team and building around young players with lots of upside. Curry, Crawful and Oneal do not fit that mold. They want players like Al Jefferson and also high draft picks. The only team that really fits what their looking for is the Bulls. Deng is the obvious player they would want, but a package of Gordon, Nocioni, Thomas, Noah plus pick(s) is sufficient. Gives the Lakers tons of flexibility to do other things and construct their team the way they want.

Once they get rid of Kobe, I can then see the Lakers trading Odom and Radmanovic to the Heat for JWill, Haslem, filler, plus a #1 pick. That will clear out more salary, get them another #1 plus Haslem who they could keep or trade. This would give the Lakers tremendous cap flexibility over the next few years to go out and sign free agents, build through the draft, make trades because they would have lots of valuable trading chips, and have lots of "youthier" players with lots of upside. Ahhhh that is my dream for the Knicks.

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by TheGame:

If we offered Curry, Nate, Lee, and Crawford (which is the trade playa2 proposed yesterday) for Kobe and Kwame Brown, I don't see how the Lakers pass on that. They could trade Odom and Bynum for O' Neal and they would have a lineup of Fisher, Crawford, Walton, O' Neal, and Curry, with Nate, Lee, and Turiaf off the bench.

That would leave use Marbury, Kobe, Balkman, Randolph, and start Brown at center, with Collins, Q, and Chandler on the bench.

[Edited by - thegame on 10-13-2007 07:10 AM]

If the Lakers trade Kobe, they certainly aren't going to turn around and trade Bynum and Odom for Oneal. If they trade Kobe, they are blowing up their team and building around young players with lots of upside. Curry, Crawful and Oneal do not fit that mold. They want players like Al Jefferson and also high draft picks. The only team that really fits what their looking for is the Bulls. Deng is the obvious player they would want, but a package of Gordon, Nocioni, Thomas, Noah plus pick(s) is sufficient. Gives the Lakers tons of flexibility to do other things and construct their team the way they want.

Once they get rid of Kobe, I can then see the Lakers trading Odom and Radmanovic to the Heat for JWill, Haslem, filler, plus a #1 pick. That will clear out more salary, get them another #1 plus Haslem who they could keep or trade. This would give the Lakers tremendous cap flexibility over the next few years to go out and sign free agents, build through the draft, make trades because they would have lots of valuable trading chips, and have lots of "youthier" players with lots of upside. Ahhhh that is my dream for the Knicks.

How does Curry and Crawford not fit that mold. They are both under 28 and still have room for improvement. Plus, the Lakers are not a team that is going to go into rebuild mode. They are like the Knicks in that regard. They are always going to want to win now. So if they trade Kobe, they are going to be looking for players who are ready to play now. I agree that they will want to go a little younger, but they are not going blow up their team and start hording draft picks.

Unless the Lakers are getting back a superstar or a bunch of already really good players, just trading Kobe is a HUGE short term setback. That is blowing up your team! Curry and Crawful? Get real dude!! That is a recipe for the lottery. Defense Defense Defense, you don't trade superstar Kobe for 2 players who play zero defense, one is a chucker and the other is a big who doesn't rebound or block shots. For KOBE BRYANT??? THINK!!!!!!!

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Posted by TheGame:

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by TheGame:

If we offered Curry, Nate, Lee, and Crawford (which is the trade playa2 proposed yesterday) for Kobe and Kwame Brown, I don't see how the Lakers pass on that. They could trade Odom and Bynum for O' Neal and they would have a lineup of Fisher, Crawford, Walton, O' Neal, and Curry, with Nate, Lee, and Turiaf off the bench.

That would leave use Marbury, Kobe, Balkman, Randolph, and start Brown at center, with Collins, Q, and Chandler on the bench.

[Edited by - thegame on 10-13-2007 07:10 AM]

If the Lakers trade Kobe, they certainly aren't going to turn around and trade Bynum and Odom for Oneal. If they trade Kobe, they are blowing up their team and building around young players with lots of upside. Curry, Crawful and Oneal do not fit that mold. They want players like Al Jefferson and also high draft picks. The only team that really fits what their looking for is the Bulls. Deng is the obvious player they would want, but a package of Gordon, Nocioni, Thomas, Noah plus pick(s) is sufficient. Gives the Lakers tons of flexibility to do other things and construct their team the way they want.

Once they get rid of Kobe, I can then see the Lakers trading Odom and Radmanovic to the Heat for JWill, Haslem, filler, plus a #1 pick. That will clear out more salary, get them another #1 plus Haslem who they could keep or trade. This would give the Lakers tremendous cap flexibility over the next few years to go out and sign free agents, build through the draft, make trades because they would have lots of valuable trading chips, and have lots of "youthier" players with lots of upside. Ahhhh that is my dream for the Knicks.

How does Curry and Crawford not fit that mold. They are both under 28 and still have room for improvement. Plus, the Lakers are not a team that is going to go into rebuild mode. They are like the Knicks in that regard. They are always going to want to win now. So if they trade Kobe, they are going to be looking for players who are ready to play now. I agree that they will want to go a little younger, but they are not going blow up their team and start hording draft picks.

Unless the Lakers are getting back a superstar or a bunch of already really good players, just trading Kobe is a HUGE short term setback. That is blowing up your team! Curry and Crawful? Get real dude!! That is a recipe for the lottery. Defense Defense Defense, you don't trade superstar Kobe for 2 players who play zero defense, one is a chucker and the other is a big who doesn't rebound or block shots. For KOBE BRYANT??? THINK!!!!!!!

Dude, read the posts before your start spouting off. I never said the trade was Curry and Crawford for Kobe. The trade was Curry, Crawford, Lee, and Nate, and possibly a draft pick for Kobe and Brown. You picked out Curry and Crawford and said those two players did not fit the mold of young players with upside and that is why I discussed those two. While trading Kobe is blowing up the team in some respect, there are two types of rebuilds. You can try to trade Kobe and get back young players who already know how to play and a draft pick or two and hope that you can simply restructure your team without a major drop in the standings, or your can "blow up" your team by trading all your best players for a bunch of draft picks and 1-3 year players and rebuilding for the longterm. The lakers are not going to blowup their team. They are going to restructure the team and are going to want players who can play now.

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by TheGame:

Posted by majorleads:

Posted by TheGame:

If we offered Curry, Nate, Lee, and Crawford (which is the trade playa2 proposed yesterday) for Kobe and Kwame Brown, I don't see how the Lakers pass on that. They could trade Odom and Bynum for O' Neal and they would have a lineup of Fisher, Crawford, Walton, O' Neal, and Curry, with Nate, Lee, and Turiaf off the bench.

That would leave use Marbury, Kobe, Balkman, Randolph, and start Brown at center, with Collins, Q, and Chandler on the bench.

[Edited by - thegame on 10-13-2007 07:10 AM]

If the Lakers trade Kobe, they certainly aren't going to turn around and trade Bynum and Odom for Oneal. If they trade Kobe, they are blowing up their team and building around young players with lots of upside. Curry, Crawful and Oneal do not fit that mold. They want players like Al Jefferson and also high draft picks. The only team that really fits what their looking for is the Bulls. Deng is the obvious player they would want, but a package of Gordon, Nocioni, Thomas, Noah plus pick(s) is sufficient. Gives the Lakers tons of flexibility to do other things and construct their team the way they want.

Once they get rid of Kobe, I can then see the Lakers trading Odom and Radmanovic to the Heat for JWill, Haslem, filler, plus a #1 pick. That will clear out more salary, get them another #1 plus Haslem who they could keep or trade. This would give the Lakers tremendous cap flexibility over the next few years to go out and sign free agents, build through the draft, make trades because they would have lots of valuable trading chips, and have lots of "youthier" players with lots of upside. Ahhhh that is my dream for the Knicks.

How does Curry and Crawford not fit that mold. They are both under 28 and still have room for improvement. Plus, the Lakers are not a team that is going to go into rebuild mode. They are like the Knicks in that regard. They are always going to want to win now. So if they trade Kobe, they are going to be looking for players who are ready to play now. I agree that they will want to go a little younger, but they are not going blow up their team and start hording draft picks.

Unless the Lakers are getting back a superstar or a bunch of already really good players, just trading Kobe is a HUGE short term setback. That is blowing up your team! Curry and Crawful? Get real dude!! That is a recipe for the lottery. Defense Defense Defense, you don't trade superstar Kobe for 2 players who play zero defense, one is a chucker and the other is a big who doesn't rebound or block shots. For KOBE BRYANT??? THINK!!!!!!!

Dude, read the posts before your start spouting off. I never said the trade was Curry and Crawford for Kobe. The trade was Curry, Crawford, Lee, and Nate, and possibly a draft pick for Kobe and Brown. You picked out Curry and Crawford and said those two players did not fit the mold of young players with upside and that is why I discussed those two. While trading Kobe is blowing up the team in some respect, there are two types of rebuilds. You can try to trade Kobe and get back young players who already know how to play and a draft pick or two and hope that you can simply restructure your team without a major drop in the standings, or your can "blow up" your team by trading all your best players for a bunch of draft picks and 1-3 year players and rebuilding for the longterm. The lakers are not going to blowup their team. They are going to restructure the team and are going to want players who can play now.

I know what you said. The reason why I brought up just Curry and Crawful is because those 2 take up 2 valuable roster spots. If I'm trading KOBE BRYANT, the last thing I would want back is those 2 highly flawed players taking up 2 spots on my roster. Then you want to throw in crazy Nate on top of it! Thats 3 roster spots to highly flawed players for KOBE BRYANT.

If the Lakers are trading KOBE, they want back at least one player who has the potential to be or is already a TWO-WAY player. Meaning they play both offense AND defense. What you're proposing is giving the Lakers a whole bunch of one-dimentional players which somehow in your mind is supposed to equal KOBE BRYANT.

Players like Crawful are a dime a dozen. Nate will only be a role player and so far has been a huge defensive liability. He's also not a true point. So basically the trade is Curry and Lee for Kobe. Ewwwww