blueNorange - it is exacctly how the Knicks played in Las Vegas. Even Nate is more focused on keeping his eyes up. The young, and improving, Eddy Curry will fit just fine.

Posted by Solace:

I agree with you. I harped on Curry's terrible inability to handle the ball in double teams and pass out of the post last season. I was repeatedly insulted and called an idiot by a few. It shows, though, for people who watch the games with an unbiased eye. A big man can't be considered a legitimate post monster unless he can pass out of the post. Right now Eddy Curry is not that because double teams destroy him. When he improves in this area, I agree with you, we may actually be a good team.

Oh give it a rest. PLEASE!!! You are just killing me with this anti Eddy stuff. Give the guy a chance to make the adjustments. He wasn't just doubled last year. Teams were sending multiple guys to dig down and they sent 2 bigs to him a lot cuz if Jared was in there they didn't fear him hurting them and Lee was out for a good while too. Frye was floating on the perimeter. We lost our shooters for a quarter of the season so basically the guy had more attention than he was used to getting.

Still he did show some improvement. Just remember that we didn't always make the best of the passes that he did make. Let's just remember tho, that his job isn't to be a PG. He's supposed to score and put pressure on the other team. Anyone that scores at a 57-60% clip should be looking to score more than pass. It's true that Eddy needs to improve his passing, rebounding and D. Let's see how he does this year before we condemn him.

blueNOrange - c'mon

If Eddy gets the pill, it's going in the basket 56% of the time. Last I checked, that don't suck

Zach only makes his job easier.

I'm not so worried about Eddie's passing out of the post to be honest. IT needs improvement and does hurt us but it's not a major priority for us right now. The man is paid to score and it's up to our management team to assemble a team that can spread the floor so that he can do so.

My only concern with Eddie fitting into this line-up is what happens to him on those nights that he is not getting the ball. Does he rebound, and does he defend. Those are my main concerns. If he adjusts and works hard on the boards and on the defensive end then I'm happy with his play even if he turns it over at a high rate. If he doesn't and he has to sit because he isn't contributing than I ask "why did we give up two lottery picks for that".

Only Eddie can get rid of my concerns.

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Nixluva has fascinating emotional reactions.

Just call him ExcuseMan. He makes excuses faster than a speeding bullet.

Nixluva, why don't YOU give it a rest. PLEASE!!! God, when you post some content instead of useless speculation about the best case scenario, then we can talk.

The extra attention he got last year is a FACT! You're the one who seems to be missing the point. At what point in his career has he been THE FOCAL POINT of an offense? At what point did he face constant double and triple teams like he did last year? It only goes to reason that the more he plays in this role the better he'll get at reacting to the attention and executing. That isn't "specualation" that common sense.

Now we have added another player to force defenses to play Eddy more honest. Zach also presents a bigger target and a guy that will come to the ball rather than shrink away or not move to present himself for an easier pass like Frye did. This will only help Curry to execute the passes and when Zach or other teammates actually convert, you'll see his assists increase. In fact as Curry improves his understanding of where the passing lanes should be and where to expect his teammates to be, he should get better. That along with understanding where the doubles are coming from and knowing he can pass to the open man that the double has created. Teams won't be able to double with a Big like they did last year, which made passing tougher for him. I think the game was a bit too fast for him mentally, but the more you do something it begins to slow down and you don't panic. This is often a part of the natural process. I'm not guaranteeing that he'll get it, but my sense of things is that he can and should continue to get better in his role.

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Nixluva has fascinating emotional reactions.

Just call him ExcuseMan. He makes excuses faster than a speeding bullet.

Nixluva, why don't YOU give it a rest. PLEASE!!! God, when you post some content instead of useless speculation about the best case scenario, then we can talk.

I wouldn't call it useless speculation as he does give some good insight on why he thinks things will workout. I just think that sometimes he forgets that what he is saying is just an opinion just like someone who thinks the opposite. He tends to talk like what he says is all a fact and guranteed to happen.

Back to the topic. I don't know if the Curry-Randolph thing will work or not. IMO, Marbury & Randolph should work the pick and roll on one side. Crawford & Curry should work the 2 man game on the other side. By 2 man game I mean Crawford feeds Curry in the post, then stands by the 3pt line. Curry can either make his move to score, or kick the ball back out to Crawford quickly when doubled.

Truthfully I was never into the pound the ball to Curry in the post thing though I gave it a shot last yr. Yes if Curry has a nice matchup then exploit it. But I was more into having our guards focus on breaking down the defense l ook to pass first then feed Curry for easy high % shots. This way Curry isn't in constant control of the ball all game and his TOs can reduce, but yet he could still his pts. When it comes strickly to Curry getting his. Our guards creating for him should be the first option, him using his back to back game should be the 2nd option. I believe our guards would be better at creating for him than him creating for himself & others.

Away from scoring, I don't expect Curry to be a good shotblocker or defensive anchor. But he has to up his rebounding. I can settle for high % scoring & rebounding.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

I wouldn't call it useless speculation as he does give some good insight on why he thinks things will workout. I just think that sometimes he forgets that what he is saying is just an opinion just like someone who thinks the opposite. He tends to talk like what he says is all a fact and guranteed to happen.

Exactly. It's really annoying, because he's too busy telling me I'm wrong and then "backing it up" with opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but Nixluva should know that I'm sure as hell entitled to me. If he doesn't think so, he can s*ck it.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Back to the topic. I don't know if the Curry-Randolph thing will work or not. IMO, Marbury & Randolph should work the pick and roll on one side. Crawford & Curry should work the 2 man game on the other side. By 2 man game I mean Crawford feeds Curry in the post, then stands by the 3pt line. Curry can either make his move to score, or kick the ball back out to Crawford quickly when doubled.

Truthfully I was never into the pound the ball to Curry in the post thing though I gave it a shot last yr. Yes if Curry has a nice matchup then exploit it. But I was more into having our guards focus on breaking down the defense l ook to pass first then feed Curry for easy high % shots. This way Curry isn't in constant control of the ball all game and his TOs can reduce, but yet he could still his pts. When it comes strickly to Curry getting his. Our guards creating for him should be the first option, him using his back to back game should be the 2nd option. I believe our guards would be better at creating for him than him creating for himself & others.

Away from scoring, I don't expect Curry to be a good shotblocker or defensive anchor. But he has to up his rebounding. I can settle for high % scoring & rebounding.

The interesting thing is, Curry is a wildcard to me. Personality clashes with Zach aside, I could see it going either way. Curry won't face as many double teams, so he could improve in that regard. On the other hand, I usually think double teams work in the advantage of the team that has a player who draws double teams (I'm not convinced of this in Curry's case, though). It could hurt the Knicks in that regard, and there's a lot of questions about how well these two will play next to each other... especially on defense.

Ultimately, I think Zach should be a higher priority scoring option than Curry and Curry should focus on putbacks, one-on-one matchups (always pass out of a double), and the parts of his game that he's ignored. If he only scored 12 ppg, but improved in all of those other areas (passing, blocks, rebounds, overally energy), I'd call it a win for the Knicks. Getting back to passing. Curry has to stop being a black hole. Too many times last season the ball was passed to Curry and that was where the passing stopped. Even if Curry was double or triple teamed, he still took it to the hole... usually to the detriment of the team. If he's within 5 feet of the basket, one-on-one, he may be the best in the league. We need more than that, though. If Eddy adds passing to his game, the entire formula changes.

Ultimately, I don't expect it, though. Based on past history of laziness and the ridiculous tattoo last year, my bet is EY Curry feels like he's already an all-star, was screwed out of it last year, and shouldn't have to work any harder. Mid-way through the season there'll be a clash when Curry only has 16 ppg and Zach is the primary post option. That's my prediction. I hope I'm wrong.

[Edited by - Solace on Oct 12 2007 2:01 PM]

Posted by Solace:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

I wouldn't call it useless speculation as he does give some good insight on why he thinks things will workout. I just think that sometimes he forgets that what he is saying is just an opinion just like someone who thinks the opposite. He tends to talk like what he says is all a fact and guranteed to happen.

Exactly. It's really annoying, because he's too busy telling me I'm wrong and then "backing it up" with opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but Nixluva should know that I'm sure as hell entitled to me. If he doesn't think so, he can s*ck it.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Back to the topic. I don't know if the Curry-Randolph thing will work or not. IMO, Marbury & Randolph should work the pick and roll on one side. Crawford & Curry should work the 2 man game on the other side. By 2 man game I mean Crawford feeds Curry in the post, then stands by the 3pt line. Curry can either make his move to score, or kick the ball back out to Crawford quickly when doubled.

Truthfully I was never into the pound the ball to Curry in the post thing though I gave it a shot last yr. Yes if Curry has a nice matchup then exploit it. But I was more into having our guards focus on breaking down the defense l ook to pass first then feed Curry for easy high % shots. This way Curry isn't in constant control of the ball all game and his TOs can reduce, but yet he could still his pts. When it comes strickly to Curry getting his. Our guards creating for him should be the first option, him using his back to back game should be the 2nd option. I believe our guards would be better at creating for him than him creating for himself & others.

Away from scoring, I don't expect Curry to be a good shotblocker or defensive anchor. But he has to up his rebounding. I can settle for high % scoring & rebounding.

The interesting thing is, Curry is a wildcard to me. Personality clashes with Zach aside, I could see it going either way. Curry won't face as many double teams, so he could improve in that regard. On the other hand, I usually think double teams work in the advantage of the team that has a player who draws double teams (I'm not convinced of this in Curry's case, though). It could hurt the Knicks in that regard, and there's a lot of questions about how well these two will play next to each other... especially on defense.

Ultimately, I think Zach should be a higher priority scoring option than Curry and Curry should focus on putbacks, one-on-one matchups (always pass out of a double), and the parts of his game that he's ignored. If he only scored 12 ppg, but improved in all of those other areas (passing, blocks, rebounds, overally energy), I'd call it a win for the Knicks. Getting back to passing. Curry has to stop being a black hole. Too many times last season the ball was passed to Curry and that was where the passing stopped. Even if Curry was double or triple teamed, he still took it to the hole... usually to the detriment of the team. If he's within 5 feet of the basket, one-on-one, he may be the best in the league. We need more than that, though. If Eddy adds passing to his game, the entire formula changes.

Ultimately, I don't expect it, though. Based on past history of laziness and the ridiculous tattoo last year, my bet is EY Curry feels like he's already an all-star, was screwed out of it last year, and shouldn't have to work any harder. Mid-way through the season there'll be a clash when Curry only has 16 ppg and Zach is the primary post option. That's my prediction. I hope I'm wrong.

[Edited by - Solace on Oct 12 2007 2:01 PM]

I was thinking the same thing. Curry should get his pts without plays being called for him. Only get the ball in the post when we he has a missmatch. Id prefer if our guards job were to penitrate and feed Curry for easy dunks than have Curry post up all game. As well has him putting a consistant effort at going after rebounds. All I need is 15-10 Curry. Less turnover should come with him holding the ball less. I don't expect him to be good on defense in the shotblocking shot altering department either, but if he can work on the rebounding I can live with that.

The part about him trying to score on 2-3 players is so true. Im thinking his thought proccess in that situatin is that he is looking to draw a foul or something. But he needs to scrap that though proccess. First things first, look for the double, recognize the double and where its comming from, then look for an open man. He needs to get out of that mind set that he has to shoot everytime he gets the ball in the paint.

Posted by Nalod:

Nix is on MSG payroll.

Right so, anyone who attempts to see positives of a guy who puts up 20 and 7, and commands double teams in the post must be on MSG payroll. You guys are too much. It's as if it's completely implausible to see both the negatives and positives and have faith in a player, or see him as good.

Those harping on nixluva's post should go re-read it and notice the reservations he has. He literally doesn't "guarantee" Eddy will do better, but presents evidence why this may be the case. That's about the most rational way to present things. But in the world of most here who can't stand Curry and practically everything about the team through nasty, derogatory, commentary, everything is portrayed in black and white. Player's either "suck" or are "lazy" or there's "no excuses" or any other over the top sports radio like assertions that can't encompass the whole picture are commonplace and anyone that doesn't fall in line is crazy or delusional. Does this really make any sense, and is this how you really see everything in the world? I certainly hope not, because it must be very stressful to hold such a view.