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CDB
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10/11/2007  10:00 PM
But Freddy Jones is a keeper. He's a guy I liked since his days in Indy. He is a guy we need, a great defender at the guard position who can come off the bench and give us heart. Also it seems that now he have a jumper which can be deadly for us if anything happens to Q and/or Crawford. Jones is a tough guy and he is what NY repeprsents and wants in it's basketball. He may be undersized for a 2 guard but he is damn good.

But now what do we do with Nichols if we keep H20 and why the hell is Coach doing MSGNY?????????
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10/11/2007  10:10 PM
Look at the man #'s
4-4 from the floor, 2-2 from the arc, 4-4 from the line, 3 rebs, 4 ast, 2 stls, 14 pts in 13 mins
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10/11/2007  10:23 PM
The guy has always been a solid bench player, don't look at last year ... it was the first time he went to a new team, he was probably trying to impress early.

He's a good FT shooter, a decent 3pt shooter(career 34%), can handle the rock, and most importantly ... he gets steals, i think he was top in the NBA in steals per 48 minutes.

if i'm Isiah, and i want to spark the game up and put a full court press line-up for a few minutes i'd put

Ared Effries
Renaldo Balkman
Maurice Collins
Fred Jones
Nate the Fool

that's hustle, defense, fundamentals, and pressure.
some Knick fans accept mediocrity as excellence .... I don't!
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10/11/2007  10:27 PM
don't get too excited... it's 1 exhibition game... he's a serviceable backup G but we have many of those on this roster already... i wouldn't mind holding onto him if there's a roster spot open but IMO he doesn't bring anything that Mardy Collins doesn't already bring, not that that's a bad thing to have 2 guys who can play defense obviously...
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10/11/2007  10:34 PM
Posted by TMS:

don't get too excited... it's 1 exhibition game... he's a serviceable backup G but we have many of those on this roster already... i wouldn't mind holding onto him if there's a roster spot open but IMO he doesn't bring anything that Mardy Collins doesn't already bring, not that that's a bad thing to have 2 guys who can play defense obviously...

not only that- but in 3 years when fred jones is an announcer, nicholas might be better than jones ever was
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10/11/2007  10:45 PM
well whatever happens it was fun to see him and Mardy out there together. defensively they manhandled Maccabi's backcourt, it was like men vs boys, although they don't have the most explosive guards to begin with.
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10/11/2007  11:05 PM
It's so obvious Nicols is going to be a better player than Fred Jones its laughable. Jones can play defense but only because he is short and can dig down, thats it. Do you want to go crazy because he did well against Maccabi Elite? Maccabi Elite??

The bottom line of this whole thing is this. If Isiah does not get Nichols on this team it proves he is being selfish and is not thinking about the long term of the Knicks.
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10/11/2007  11:14 PM
Posted by subzero0:

It's so obvious Nicols is going to be a better player than Fred Jones its laughable. Jones can play defense but only because he is short and can dig down, thats it. Do you want to go crazy because he did well against Maccabi Elite? Maccabi Elite??

The bottom line of this whole thing is this. If Isiah does not get Nichols on this team it proves he is being selfish and is not thinking about the long term of the Knicks.

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The Knicks just have to many players. Nothing we can do about that. Even if Dniks stayed, he would never get a chance to play.

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10/12/2007  2:15 AM
Fred Jones may just be in the perfect situation for him. What Isiah is doing with him fits his skills. Don't be in such a hurry to write him off due to any preconceived notion you may have of him. Remember how good Barnes looked last year with GS. Sometimes it's the situation and not the player. He's got a ton of physical ability and fits well with Nate and the other defensive players we have. He's a ball hawk and we need that. Just remember that we'll need to offset the lack of D from the starters and we have the perfect unit to do that. I like DNic, but let's be real, he's got almost no shot to play unless we have mass injuries and if we do then it won't matter. It's just a number game. I'd rather we kept him and got rid of James, but I doubt that happens. We'll see. We also have H2O in the mix too.

Subzero0, I wouldn't be so harsh on Isiah. He's more than done his share of adding youth tho this team. We have some really talented young players and now they're starting to develop. The loss of one guy isn't going to change out fortunes and i doubt that Isiah is putting his own personal agenda ahead of making this team a winner. I think you underestimate how badly he wants to win. He is the same guy that battled against Magic, Bird and Jordan. He wants his legacy to be that he brought a winner to NY. He has nowhere else to go if this doesn't work, so i'm convinced that he's only thinking of the team and making it the best it can be.
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10/12/2007  2:17 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Fred Jones may just be in the perfect situation for him. What Isiah is doing with him fits his skills. Don't be in such a hurry to write him off due to any preconceived notion you may have of him. Remember how good Barnes looked last year with GS. Sometimes it's the situation and not the player. He's got a ton of physical ability and fits well with Nate and the other defensive players we have. He's a ball hawk and we need that. Just remember that we'll need to offset the lack of D from the starters and we have the perfect unit to do that. I like DNic, but let's be real, he's got almost no shot to play unless we have mass injuries and if we do then it won't matter. It's just a number game. I'd rather we kept him and got rid of James, but I doubt that happens. We'll see. We also have H2O in the mix too.

Subzero0, I wouldn't be so harsh on Isiah. He's more than done his share of adding youth tho this team. We have some really talented young players and now they're starting to develop. The loss of one guy isn't going to change out fortunes and i doubt that Isiah is putting his own personal agenda ahead of making this team a winner. I think you underestimate how badly he wants to win. He is the same guy that battled against Magic, Bird and Jordan. He wants his legacy to be that he brought a winner to NY. He has nowhere else to go if this doesn't work, so i'm convinced that he's only thinking of the team and making it the best it can be.

If you think he's done such a good job here in NY, why do you think that he has nowhere else to go if this doesn't work?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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10/12/2007  9:53 AM
Posted by CDB:

But Freddy Jones is a keeper. He's a guy I liked since his days in Indy. He is a guy we need, a great defender at the guard position who can come off the bench and give us heart. Also it seems that now he have a jumper which can be deadly for us if anything happens to Q and/or Crawford. Jones is a tough guy and he is what NY repeprsents and wants in it's basketball. He may be undersized for a 2 guard but he is damn good.

But now what do we do with Nichols if we keep H20 and why the hell is Coach doing MSGNY?????????

as someone who's followed him more than i have, why hasn't he stuck with any of the other teams he's played for? i'm honestly asking, i don't know much specifically about him, only secondhand stuff (mostly negative though). did indy want him back? why did toronto dump him? was he fitting in with portland - was he just thrown in the randolph trade to match salaries?
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10/12/2007  10:14 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nixluva:

Fred Jones may just be in the perfect situation for him. What Isiah is doing with him fits his skills. Don't be in such a hurry to write him off due to any preconceived notion you may have of him. Remember how good Barnes looked last year with GS. Sometimes it's the situation and not the player. He's got a ton of physical ability and fits well with Nate and the other defensive players we have. He's a ball hawk and we need that. Just remember that we'll need to offset the lack of D from the starters and we have the perfect unit to do that. I like DNic, but let's be real, he's got almost no shot to play unless we have mass injuries and if we do then it won't matter. It's just a number game. I'd rather we kept him and got rid of James, but I doubt that happens. We'll see. We also have H2O in the mix too.

Subzero0, I wouldn't be so harsh on Isiah. He's more than done his share of adding youth tho this team. We have some really talented young players and now they're starting to develop. The loss of one guy isn't going to change out fortunes and i doubt that Isiah is putting his own personal agenda ahead of making this team a winner. I think you underestimate how badly he wants to win. He is the same guy that battled against Magic, Bird and Jordan. He wants his legacy to be that he brought a winner to NY. He has nowhere else to go if this doesn't work, so i'm convinced that he's only thinking of the team and making it the best it can be.

If you think he's done such a good job here in NY, why do you think that he has nowhere else to go if this doesn't work?
DID YOU NOT JUST READ WHAT I WROTE? I said that this may be the best scenario for him. Perhaps on some other teams they're looking for a guy who is more of a traditional SG, in terms of size and offensive ability. However, here he can be used to good effect as part of our defensive, high energy 2nd unit. He's been given a role that fits his abilities. He could flourish in that role. This happens to players all the time in this league.
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10/12/2007  10:15 AM
He's a completely replaceable player.
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10/12/2007  11:37 AM
Posted by TMS:

don't get too excited... it's 1 exhibition game... he's a serviceable backup G but we have many of those on this roster already... i wouldn't mind holding onto him if there's a roster spot open but IMO he doesn't bring anything that Mardy Collins doesn't already bring, not that that's a bad thing to have 2 guys who can play defense obviously...

You need a veteran defensive sg on this team with experience, Mardy gives you everyting except experience.

He showed Isiah(last yr) he gets nervous at crunch time and doesn't want the responsibilty to shoot the open J when left open when curryis double down in the post with 2 mins left in the game.

This is where Fred Jones fits in, the guy has been in big playoff games and
pressure is something he has experienced in his 6yr career.
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10/12/2007  12:02 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by TMS:

don't get too excited... it's 1 exhibition game... he's a serviceable backup G but we have many of those on this roster already... i wouldn't mind holding onto him if there's a roster spot open but IMO he doesn't bring anything that Mardy Collins doesn't already bring, not that that's a bad thing to have 2 guys who can play defense obviously...

You need a veteran defensive sg on this team with experience, Mardy gives you everyting except experience.

He showed Isiah(last yr) he gets nervous at crunch time and doesn't want the responsibilty to shoot the open J when left open when curryis double down in the post with 2 mins left in the game.

This is where Fred Jones fits in, the guy has been in big playoff games and
pressure is something he has experienced in his 6yr career.

I agree- but can we actually get someone a bit taller than 6'2"?

In the interim- why not use Balkman?

[Edited by - franco12 on 10-12-2007 12:04 PM]
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10/12/2007  12:27 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Fred Jones may just be in the perfect situation for him. What Isiah is doing with him fits his skills. Don't be in such a hurry to write him off due to any preconceived notion you may have of him. Remember how good Barnes looked last year with GS. Sometimes it's the situation and not the player. He's got a ton of physical ability and fits well with Nate and the other defensive players we have. He's a ball hawk and we need that. Just remember that we'll need to offset the lack of D from the starters and we have the perfect unit to do that. I like DNic, but let's be real, he's got almost no shot to play unless we have mass injuries and if we do then it won't matter. It's just a number game. I'd rather we kept him and got rid of James, but I doubt that happens. We'll see. We also have H2O in the mix too.

Subzero0, I wouldn't be so harsh on Isiah. He's more than done his share of adding youth tho this team. We have some really talented young players and now they're starting to develop. The loss of one guy isn't going to change out fortunes and i doubt that Isiah is putting his own personal agenda ahead of making this team a winner. I think you underestimate how badly he wants to win. He is the same guy that battled against Magic, Bird and Jordan. He wants his legacy to be that he brought a winner to NY. He has nowhere else to go if this doesn't work, so i'm convinced that he's only thinking of the team and making it the best it can be.

I understand what your saying and I sympathize with Isiah because I feel he made more good moves than bad ones. But by keeping Fred Jones and letting Nichols walk he is showing that he is in fact in full win now mode. We should sign Fred Jones if we are going to compete for a championship this year. I feel that we will not compete for one this year. We should be looking at 2 or 3 years down the road hopefully to be in the conference finals and nba finals. So we should take a chance on Nichols to play now a little and get experience so that he could become the type of player that can contribute in a couple of years. Isiah, if he does this would show that he wants to win as much as possible now, possibly to save his job, in lieu of preparing for the future. If in fact I am right, then that is the thinking I disagree with him on.

Remember I support Isiah, because I believe everyone makes mistakes, but if you fail to see the mistakes that you make and continue to make new ones then I must re-evaluate my endorsement of him (e.g. not buying out JJ(x) and signing Nichols, provided he is allowed to by Dolan).

Even us lovers have limits dammit.
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10/12/2007  1:23 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by TMS:

don't get too excited... it's 1 exhibition game... he's a serviceable backup G but we have many of those on this roster already... i wouldn't mind holding onto him if there's a roster spot open but IMO he doesn't bring anything that Mardy Collins doesn't already bring, not that that's a bad thing to have 2 guys who can play defense obviously...

You need a veteran defensive sg on this team with experience, Mardy gives you everyting except experience.

He showed Isiah(last yr) he gets nervous at crunch time and doesn't want the responsibilty to shoot the open J when left open when curryis double down in the post with 2 mins left in the game.

This is where Fred Jones fits in, the guy has been in big playoff games and
pressure is something he has experienced in his 6yr career.

I agree- but can we actually get someone a bit taller than 6'2"?

In the interim- why not use Balkman?

[Edited by - franco12 on 10-12-2007 12:04 PM]

Balkman is inexperienced and will be left open on the perimitter constantly at crunch time with his defender helping out down low daring him to shoot. NO THANKS

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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10/12/2007  4:19 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by TMS:

don't get too excited... it's 1 exhibition game... he's a serviceable backup G but we have many of those on this roster already... i wouldn't mind holding onto him if there's a roster spot open but IMO he doesn't bring anything that Mardy Collins doesn't already bring, not that that's a bad thing to have 2 guys who can play defense obviously...

You need a veteran defensive sg on this team with experience, Mardy gives you everyting except experience.

He showed Isiah(last yr) he gets nervous at crunch time and doesn't want the responsibilty to shoot the open J when left open when curryis double down in the post with 2 mins left in the game.

This is where Fred Jones fits in, the guy has been in big playoff games and
pressure is something he has experienced in his 6yr career.

we already have Q Rich as a veteran defensive SG w/experience... Fred Jones is completely superfluous & the only way i can justify having him on the roster is if Turd & Jefferies get waived... even still, we'd need a bigman to fill their roster spots, not another G who can't really shoot from the perimeter... this is why we need to make the Artest trade & get rid of some of the excess fat we don't need... if u can do that then maybe Jones has a place in the rotation that makes sense.
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10/12/2007  5:39 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by TMS:

don't get too excited... it's 1 exhibition game... he's a serviceable backup G but we have many of those on this roster already... i wouldn't mind holding onto him if there's a roster spot open but IMO he doesn't bring anything that Mardy Collins doesn't already bring, not that that's a bad thing to have 2 guys who can play defense obviously...

not only that- but in 3 years when fred jones is an announcer, nicholas might be better than jones ever was

i hope JJ is cut and dnick is signed.
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