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BRIGGS
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5/26/2003  12:28 AM
Ny trades the rights to Milos Vujonic, Othella Harrington pick 38 and 2MM$ to Denver for Rodney White SF and signs White to a 5 year 19.5MM$ extension

NY Signs C Chris Mihm to a 4 year 19.5mm dollar contract

NY drafts PF Mike Swetney #9
NY drafts Troy Bell # 31 and signs him to a 3 year 1.35mm$
NY extends the contract of C Mike Doleac for 3 years and 6MM
NY extends the contract of Kurt Thomas 3 years and 20 MM
NY buys out Charlie Ward PG
10 m rotation
C-Mihm 7-0 265 PF-Thomas 6-8 235
SF White 6-9 235
SG Houston 6-6 200
PG-Eisley 6-2 180
C- Mike Doleac 6-11 265
PF Mike Sweetney 6-8 260
SG S Andersen 6-6 210 200
SG L Sprewell 6-5 190
PG Troy Bell 6-1 185


Spoon
Knight
Ir
Williams
Mcdyess


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5/26/2003  9:02 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Ny trades the rights to Milos Vujonic, Othella Harrington pick 38 and 2MM$ to Denver for Rodney White SF and signs White to a 5 year 19.5MM$ extension

NY Signs C Chris Mihm to a 4 year 19.5mm dollar contract

NY drafts PF Mike Swetney #9
NY drafts Troy Bell # 31 and signs him to a 3 year 1.35mm$
NY extends the contract of C Mike Doleac for 3 years and 6MM
NY extends the contract of Kurt Thomas 3 years and 20 MM
NY buys out Charlie Ward PG
10 m rotation
C-Mihm 7-0 265 PF-Thomas 6-8 235
SF White 6-9 235
SG Houston 6-6 200
PG-Eisley 6-2 180
C- Mike Doleac 6-11 265
PF Mike Sweetney 6-8 260
SG S Andersen 6-6 210 200
SG L Sprewell 6-5 190
PG Troy Bell 6-1 185


Spoon
Knight
Ir
Williams
Mcdyess
uh, why would we deal ALL of that for Rodney White? Rodney White is now junk in Denver with the imminent drafting of SF Carmelo Anthony.

PLUS Rodney White has been a BUST so far in the league, and he vomited all over the garden floor during a game this past season.

Othella harrington is worth more than white. Pick # 38 (which is 39), is probably going to be a player with more potential than Rodney White.

Why do we need to extend KT? Why extend Doleac? Doleac never did things that any normal 7 foot center in the league should be able to do.

Why get Chris Mihm? He's been stagnant since he came into the League, other than torching the Knicks once or twice. Troy Bell? Yeah, right. I'm sure Frank Williams has more game than Bell, and Bell is probably just an undersized SG. I know Bell can light it up, but not when it counts most, period. If we had to go with an AMERICAN, college, UNDERSIZED SG, who plays the point guard position, i'd go with - MARCUS HATTEN, period. Hatten get's it done with the game, and the big games, on the line. If Hatten is still around at 39, i'd give him a look.
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5/26/2003  1:03 PM
[uh, why would we deal ALL of that for Rodney White? Rodney White is now junk in Denver with the imminent drafting of SF Carmelo Anthony.

PLUS Rodney White has been a BUST so far in the league, and he vomited all over the garden floor during a game this past season.

Othella harrington is worth more than white. Pick # 38 (which is 39), is probably going to be a player with more potential than Rodney White.

Why do we need to extend KT? Why extend Doleac? Doleac never did things that any normal 7 foot center in the league should be able to do.

Why get Chris Mihm? He's been stagnant since he came into the League, other than torching the Knicks once or twice. Troy Bell? Yeah, right. I'm sure Frank Williams has more game than Bell, and Bell is probably just an undersized SG. I know Bell can light it up, but not when it counts most, period. If we had to go with an AMERICAN, college, UNDERSIZED SG, who plays the point guard position, i'd go with - MARCUS HATTEN, period. Hatten get's it done with the game, and the big games, on the line. If Hatten is still around at 39, i'd give him a look.
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1. Rodney White is not junk. He avergaed nearly 10 points and 3 rebounds in only 20 minutes ofplay last year. He is a player that came out to early and just started to show signs of what he can do. At 22 years old--- 6-9 235 with very nice athletiscm and a *HIGHLY* skilled game--what he needs is to get around veterans and be given a commintment to 35 minutes. Remember he's a 9 pick just two years ago and Jerry west said he had the most talent in the draftand that was a good draft. I dont think people are able to guage how long it will take a young player like that to mature mentally both on and off the court. this is where you can *STEAL* talent. If he was coming out of the draft this year--he would go 4 and this wouldve been his junior year.
I want to dump Othella--I want to get rid of him and thats why Im throwing in the 2mm for his salary. If Howard leaves he's a nice piece for them but I have seen enough of him. Im not sitting on Vujonic, and more importantly I think the SF position is much moreo f a need position.

We need a center. Paying chris 4.5-5mm would budget us at center with doleac @ 6.5MM--thats CHEAP in this league. I believe we can get him because Cleveland has three of them and will have to pay Boozer next year as well. It comes to a point where you have to say we need this BADLY and the player still has significant upside at 23 years old. he showedmuch more promise this year than his first two--same thing applies here--sometimes it takes time for a player to acclimate.

Sweetney is a high quality draft pick and a NOW player. hes ready to play NOW--has great skills on both sidesof the court with significant potential because of his skill big body and wing span---7-3. He is an upgrade coming off the bench.

Why extend Doleac for cheap$$$ why extend Thomas for reasonable $--do you want to potentially lose Thomas to FA? Just like a coach if a player has given quality play and is young enough where the play will stay at a certain level--you want to retain the asset and by paying him now--you could save yourself later. Doleac is a quality back-up.

So far during workouts Troy Bell has stood out while on the other hand Hatten has been awful. Bell is much better outside shooter very quick into the lane and has more explosion to the hole. From what I have been reading about workouts, it appears it would be LUCKY if Bell feel intothe 2nd round while hatten could be *LUCKY* just to be picked.
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5/26/2003  2:15 PM
briggs i'm in between on your post.

i actually like othella. real cheap and he is a decent bench player.

milos isn't playing for the knicks...so it does't seem likely he would play for the nuggets

i actually like rodney white but offering him the mid-level exemption seems to be stretching it a bit. lee nailon can basically give you what white can not to mention the fact that the knicks already have sprewell starting and shandon anderson locked in coming off the bench.

extend doleac? why?

i am not impressed by weatherspoon's game but he is locked. meaning he will get his minutes. if you sign mihm and extend doleac then what is to be done about weatherspoon and his "shaq-like" contract?


i like troy bell also but not for the knicks. i don't think the knicks should be worried about the pg position for the next 5 years.

interesting post tho



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5/26/2003  5:41 PM
well....Chris Mihm is a guy that I saw change his game. He looks more confident out there. He's also a good rebounder with sneaky hops. I wouldn't mind signing Mihm but not for much....maybe about the same money Doleac is getting.

The knicks just gotta get out of this plug and play role.

As far as Rodney White? I thought he played decent towards the end. He was on my fantasy team off and on because he would drop 22 but then barely score for the next week or so.

I could see the knicks splittinf the exemtion between Mihm and White but if they don't improve then layden will be in trouble. It's cool if it's liek a 2-3 year deal. Right away i fRodney can find some consistancy.......Spree is on the bench. And if Mihm can continue to play aggressive he could be at the very least a Brad Miller type.

[Edited by - enyspree on 05/26/2003 17:46:16]
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5/26/2003  5:57 PM
Posted by prodson:



i actually like othella. real cheap and he is a decent bench player.

Othella is a guy you would love on your roster but if you have the immovable Spoon on your roster, Othella has to go. I'd rather the Knicks get rid of Othella and just role with Spoon as the back up because Spoon is gonna be here for about 4 more years regardless.

Othella, Ward, Travis, Pope, Nailon, and Postel all should be given the pink slip. Add McDyess to that list and you have 6 roster spots to fill with young guys from the draft.

Knicks got 3 picks and then have room to add more youth through the mid level exemption. Maybe the knicks can get a late pick with Othella. Maybe send Othella to the Lakers for their pick.

Frank has gotta play at least 25 minutes per, Spree's minues have got to be reduced and the Knicks just have to form an identity and stop telling fans that "we are a couple of pieces away from being good again. They gotta say "we are trying our best to change the Knicks so that it refects the passion of the fans and it's city, starting with guys we develop in house"

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5/26/2003  11:02 PM
I agree with prodson:

Why should we extend Doleac? why?

And drafting Sweetney? I thought we had othella already..

Anyway I do like Rodney white but right now his stock is low and with Denver having the chance at Carmello or Darko he is gone, I would offer him less money, if not no need to spend that much cheese on player that will not make the knicks that much better, i rather use our picks on these young cats, there are a lot comming out in the draft, and let them develop. Believe it or not until the knicks understand that you have to develop young cheap talent and blend them in with good veteran players, you will always be over the cap and low in the talent department...
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5/27/2003  12:39 AM
Posted by tkf:

I agree with prodson:

Why should we extend Doleac? why?

And drafting Sweetney? I thought we had othella already..

Anyway I do like Rodney white but right now his stock is low and with Denver having the chance at Carmello or Darko he is gone, I would offer him less money, if not no need to spend that much cheese on player that will not make the knicks that much better, i rather use our picks on these young cats, there are a lot c
omming out in the draft, and let them develop. Believe it or not until the knicks understand that you have to develop young cheap talent and blend them in with good veteran players, you will always be over the cap and low in the talent department...


1. Why should we extend Doleac? Because he's a cheap quality backup C and since he is acclimated to the team and system-we should lock him up for cheap i.e 1.5--2.0mm for 3 years. If something better comes along it is EZ to dump him.
2. Im not buying Rodney white --Im trading for him. I dont have to give him a contract extension but if I could lock him up at 2.5-3mm for 3-4 years I would extend it.
3. Sweetney--You are underestimating how good he is. I want to dump Harrington to Denver. Sweetney measured out at a 7-1 1/4 wingspan and 6-7 1/8 in bare feet and 6-8 1/4 w sneaks @ 257 at Golden State. He will be much more of a force and a player who will play right away.
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5/27/2003  12:54 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=389

Look at this guys numbers one more time. Remember this is not the junior Greek league--this is major BIg time CBB. This guy AVERAGED 33 points 14 rebounds and 5 blocks against Syracuse in 3 games which features Anthony Warwick forth etc...you know who won the NC?

Imean this guy is double and triple teamed all year and puts up 23 points 10.5 rebounds 2 assits and a VERY impressive 3.2 blocks per game in 32 minutes. Everything is not measured by a tape ask Ben Wallace or Rodman. His long arms and physical body makes him play big.


Just for comparison I lookedup the so-calledbaby shaq who played against softer comp and he didnt even average 1/2 block per game.
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