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misterearl
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10/8/2007  10:39 PM
Wilson Chandler in 19 minutes (thank you mrbean)

9 points, 6 rebounds, 2-2 from the free throw line, 2 blocked shots, 1 steal, 1 assist and 6 personal fouls (which means he's a rookie in someone's grill)

oh yeah, I almost forgot David Lee 5-7, 8-9 ft, 6 rebounds

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10/8/2007  10:44 PM
Lampe-Like numbers
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10/8/2007  10:46 PM
Alan Hahn's Blog:
Wilson Chandler got into the game with 9:03 left in the second quarter. He scored his first two points on free throws, but threw down a nasty two-handed slam on a power move around Jason Smith with 4:48 left in the half. It put the Knicks up, 38-28.

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10/8/2007  10:50 PM
Bonn1997 - you slay me.

I watched the subtle nuances of Wilson Chandler's footwork, defensive anticipation and gracefully explosive hops in person. I sat so close to Wilson Chandler in Las Vegas I damn near spilled my popcorn in his lap. Maciej Lampe, sir, is no Wilson Chandler.

(Where da hell IS the dearly departed Lampe anyway?)

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10/8/2007  10:51 PM
Andrew - you rock

Thank You for the assist

WIL-son Chand-LER.. clap, clap, clap-clap-clap....
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10/8/2007  10:52 PM
Hey Bonn...still sticking to your assessment of Zach as a poor jump shooter?:
Zach Randolph has had quite a debut. Hit his first 6 shots, five from the perimeter. He has 13 points at the half on 6 of 7 shooting.
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10/8/2007  10:57 PM
PresIke - forgive them for they know not what they see

did I mention The Mayor led the team in offensive rebounds with 3?

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10/8/2007  11:02 PM
How many dimes did the mayor have?
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10/8/2007  11:03 PM
Posted by PresIke:

Hey Bonn...still sticking to your assessment of Zach as a poor jump shooter?:
Zach Randolph has had quite a debut. Hit his first 6 shots, five from the perimeter. He has 13 points at the half on 6 of 7 shooting.
When did I say that?
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10/8/2007  11:12 PM
I really think you will see Chandler beat out Jared for minutes at the three. Jeffires just another waste of money by the knicks. Randolph and Lee played well tonight and the guards were average. Lee caused matchup problems and got to the line 9 times tonight.
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10/8/2007  11:32 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by PresIke:

Hey Bonn...still sticking to your assessment of Zach as a poor jump shooter?:
Zach Randolph has had quite a debut. Hit his first 6 shots, five from the perimeter. He has 13 points at the half on 6 of 7 shooting.
When did I say that?

If you recall, right after we traded for Zach, myself and tomverve had posted information indicating the strength of Zach's outside shooting FG% efficiency and how it was amongst the best for all PFs. However, you insisted more than once, that the 42% clip he shot from outside (which I recall, you repeatedly stated was 41% because it is listed as .417) was an indication of him not being a good shooter because we associate shooting at such a percentage as an example of bad shooting, and "good" 3pt shooters shoot around the same % just from there.

I made repeated attempts to present evidence explaining why he is a good shooter from outside (like comparing the jump shooting FG% efficiency to Frye's first season, where it is widely regarded that Channing got a lot of his points on strong jump shooting games) but I cannot say I remember you agreeing...hence my previous post.
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10/8/2007  11:45 PM
not being a "good" outsider shooter is not the same as being a "poor" outside shooter. I've always thought of him as an average outside shooter. Maybe he is a little above average, though. He's definitely not a poor outside shooter, but he's not a consistent threat from the outside either.
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10/8/2007  11:51 PM
Ok, sure. An "average" shooter is not even what he is. Let's not get caught up in semantics. Basically, you don't think he is a good shooter from the outside. Now, he isn't a 3pt shooter, but Rip Hamilton is a good outside shooter who doesn't hit well outside his range, as was Ewing. I'm gonna hold you to this statement...and state again that I believe he IS a good outside shooter, based on the evidence I've been presented with thus far.

I'll just add this to the discussion:
Randolph made his first six shots in a Knicks uniform Monday night, in a 101-92 preseason victory against the Philadelphia 76ers at the Colonial Center. He did not score in the lane until his sixth attempt, a layup on a feed from Stephon Marbury.

His performance underscored what the Knicks had been saying for months, that once Randolph and Curry were healthy, they should mesh nicely. Curry needs room in the lane to operate. Randolph, as he showed quickly, will shoot from wherever he gets the ball.

Randolph hit from 19 feet in the game’s opening minutes, and followed with baskets from 12, 21, 22 and 20 feet before making the layup. He did not miss until his seventh attempt, just inside the 3-point line. Randolph finished with 17 points and 5 rebounds, going 7 for 10 from the field.

Are these numbers a sign of an "average" outside shooter? Sure, it's one pre-season game, but if he can't knock them down consistently from there why is he taking them...and the Knicks won, so it certainly seems unlikely that it hurt the team's performance.

[Edited by - PresIke on 10-08-2007 11:52 PM]

[Edited by - PresIke on 10-08-2007 11:54 PM]
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10/9/2007  1:02 AM
To play devils advocate (For you presike), having one good shooting game doesn't mean you're a good outside shooter in general. You should have just found the touch. A good outside shooter always has the touch.

On the other hand, we all know Randolf can hit the J and I would trust him to take the J, but he's streaky and you live AND die by the streaky shooters. Just ask Jamal Crawford.
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10/9/2007  6:27 AM
I think Bonn's assesment is reasonable. He's good enough from the outside to make other teams respect that part of his game, which opens up other things for him. But he's no Kyle Korver.
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10/9/2007  7:19 AM
A good outside shooter always has the touch.

Allanfan - not really dude. A good outside shooter can be trusted to work through his inevitable slumps. A poor outside shooter costs you close games.

Zach is an asset of the first order. When you remove the questions about his off-court behavior, and his "risk" factor, you have a straight up baller.

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10/9/2007  9:55 AM
Posted by misterearl:

A good outside shooter always has the touch.

Allanfan - not really dude. A good outside shooter can be trusted to work through his inevitable slumps. A poor outside shooter costs you close games.

Zach is an asset of the first order. When you remove the questions about his off-court behavior, and his "risk" factor, you have a straight up baller.

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misterearl
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10/9/2007  10:02 AM
Ira - I can't believe you played the Kyle Korver card.

No player who wears his socks that high deserves to be mentioned in the same thread with The Mayor.

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10/9/2007  11:50 AM
Wilson should play. But I just don't know when. We need to have Lee and Balk getting minutes at the 3. You figure QB plays some there when he's healthy. Jeffries should not factor into the equation. Still I don't know where this leaves time for Chandler.
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10/9/2007  12:49 PM
VDesai - read my lips, Lee is not a three. He can cameo against some matchups but let's not get crazy.

The point is not whether somebody "should" play. Minutes are earned and not based on favoritism. For example , Mardy Collins floats my boat but if he continues going 0-4 from the field the only thing he'll be seeing is plenty of pine.

With that said, Quentin Richardson brings deep range, experience and the high socks... but Wilson Chandler can fill more positive columns of the stat column than any of them. All he needs is to learn the tendencies of the refs and vice versa.

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