Posted by 93BUICK:

I think the reason you see more "hater" posts is that someone who is unhappy with their life will try and vent it out on a computer, imagining a sense of power after typing to strangers about a sports team.
Lovers are more accepting about their beloved team and even if it's ugly and cruel they'll make up excuses for it like a Lover would, hoping that it will come around.
-LoverMan

Can we go over your Mets thread posts the last couple of weeks?

Posted by 93BUICK:

I think the reason you see more "hater" posts is that someone who is unhappy with their life will try and vent it out on a computer, imagining a sense of power after typing to strangers about a sports team.
Lovers are more accepting about their beloved team and even if it's ugly and cruel they'll make up excuses for it like a Lover would, hoping that it will come around.
-LoverMan

You remind me of great song...

There's a devil waiting outside your door
(How much longer?)
There's a devil waiting outside your door
It is bucking and braying and pawing at the floor
And he's howling with pain and crawling up the walls
There's a devil waiting outside your door
He's weak with evil and broken by the world
He's shouting your name and he's asking for more
There's a devil waiting outside your door

Loverman! Since the world began
Forever, Amen Till end of time Take off that
dress I'm coming down I'm your loverman
Cause I am what I am what I am what I am

L is for LOVE, baby
O is for ONLY you that I do
V is for loving VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING that you are
E is for loving almost EVERYTHING that you do
R is for RAPE me
M is for MURDER me
A is for ANSWERING all of my prayers
N is for KNOWING your loverman's going to
be the answer to all of yours

Loverman! Till the bitter end
While empires burn down Forever and ever
and ever and ever Amen I'm your loverman
So help me, baby So help me
Cause I am what I am what I am what I am
I'm your loverman!

There's a devil crawling along your floor
There's a devil crawling along your floor
With a trembling heart, he's coming through your door
With his straining sex in his jumping paw
There's a devil crawling along your floor
And he's old and he's stupid and
he's hungry and he's sore
And he's blind and he's lame
and he's dirty and he's poor
I've him more
There's a devil crawling along your floor

Loverman! Here I stand Forever, Amen
Cause I am what I am what I am what I am
Forgive me, baby My hands are tied
And I got no choice No, I got no choice at all

I'll say it again
L is for LOVE, baby
O is for O yes I do
V is for VIRTUE, so I ain't gonna hurt you
E is for EVEN if you want me to
R is for RENDER unto me, baby
M is for that which is MINE
A is for ANY old how, darling
And N is for ANY old time

I'll be your loverman! I got a masterplan
To take off your dress And be your man
Seize the throne Seize the mantle
Seize the crown Cause I am what I am
What I am what I am I'm your loverman!

There's a devil lying by your side
You might think he's asleep
but look at his eyes
He wants you, baby, to be his bride
There's a devil lying by your side

Loverman! Loverman!

Posted by newyorknewyork:

There is nothing wrong with fans bashing the team showing there displeasure with all the losing. But its when people have to go out of there way to spin comments & quotes, post only one half of a comment or quote and hide the other part. Purposly creating misleading thread titles. Thats just pathetic to me in my eyes. There really is no need for that type of garbage. All you have to do is spit the facts. Isiah has spent a lot of money since he has become GM. Isiah has lost more than he has won.

There are fans that go out of there way to only post negative articles they find yet allways seem to miss the positive articles that are out there. Just like there are posters that only post positive articles and seem to miss all the negative articles out there. Basicallly only posting what they agree with and stay away from any other opinion that doesn't agree with theres. The definition of close minded.

Forgetting about the past. Going from what we have right now.

Looking at our roster Curry, Randolph, Richardson, Crawford, Marbury, Lee, Balkman, Nate, Collins, Chandler, Nichols, Rose, Morris, Jordan, Jones, James, Jefferies, the 2 free agent pick ups that probably don't make the team. Then looking at our cap situation for 07/08, 88.9mil, 1 expiring contract, 33mil over the salary cap, 33mil in lux tax. I think we could have a good situation. But I don't know if Isiah is the man to make it happen. He is to caught up in adding big names than forming a team with balance and an identity. There is some dead weight that needs to be cut like James & Rose. I would say that there is some tinkering that needs to be done in order to balance the roster. I want to see how Curry & Randolph play first, and how Crawford handles his new weight. Id prefer more rebounding, shotblocking, defensive anchor from the center position as well as a center that gets his pts without plays drawn for him. Hopefully Curry steps up or me personaly I would like to swap him for a young center who could do those things to put him with Randolph who can score a lot in the post. And pure SG who shoots at a better %, and more of a catch and shoot shooter.

If Curry & Randolph do work out well together as a scoring combo. Even if Curry doesn't develop his rebounding & shotblocking. Then around them has to be very good outside shooters to open up space for them. I like Nichols & Chandler, I think they will be good players for our future. Balkman & Lee are good for dirty work and hustle. I wonder though if Chandler has any ability to play the 2 though. Nate can nail 3s and score pts in bunches, Collins has good ability to create for the bigs and is good at stopping penitration. Richardson also would be a keeper for his 2 way ability and leadership. I think if you could add a very good PG to that core as well as a maybe a defensive, shotblocking, rebounding role playing big. We could develop into a very good team in the future. The question is, is Isiah the man to make that happen?

Posted by Panos:

Posted by nixluva:


Now that's more like it. These are fair concerns and I can agree with some and disagree with other points, but I don't get the sense that you hate the team or wish them to do poorly or any of that other crap that seems to permeate this forum. In a perfect world, we would have a Defensive and Rebounding force at Center, to go along with a PF like Zach, but with more D. The thing is tho, that you can only really name a few select guys who fit that description and very few of them are on the same team. San Antonio, Detroit when they had Ben, Boston with KG and Perkins is somewhat like that IMO. You could include Miami with Shaq and Haslem, tho I wouldn't go crazy about that tandem. What we have isn't bad in comparison, even if they're not prototypical. (1) I would say that they're still pretty effective and we have other players to help fill in some of the gaps. (2) It's hard to make much of a case that we could've gotten better players. WHO? Exactly HOW were we supposed to get these rare players who fit the description of a prototypical C and PF, since that's basically what we'd be looking for.

We can't ignore the fact that for the last 2 seasons we've needed for not only the vets to do well, but we relied on rooks and soph's as well. We got mixed results, but in my mind, that doesn't mean this team stinks. i see it and have seen it as a developing team. Ever since the trade deadline deal for move Nazr, this team has been consistently adding more and more good young talent, so much so, that now the team is full of young talent. I think it's clear that this young talent is still in the process of developing. Lee and Nate are going into yr 3, Balk & Mardy yr 2 and Morris, Chan and hopefully DNic and Jorden would be rooks for the most part. (3) That would mean half the team is under 25 yrs old. Expectations haven't been met but I don't think it's hard to see how this team is set up to finally reach it's potential. Yeah we all want to see it on the court, that's not saying anything profound, how else is that gonna be determined? Still it's not a crime to use a little forsight and project the kind of team this should be this year. If there are those who think this team won't be much better this year, I have to see that as an overly pessimistic view, since it's evident that there are many reasons to be optimistic about this season.

(1) How can you say they are "pretty effective"? Effective at what? What will be their point differentials against their opponents? Now try factoring into that not only the points allowed to their direct assignments, but also to the guards that will get free passes into the paint, cuz they can't average even a single block per game between them.

(2) How? Thru the draft! But instead we gave away a #2 and a #9 lottery pick, and wasted a #8 on Channing. Don't you think one of those three could have been used to pick a defensive stud?

(3) Under 25 doesn't mean much to me. What is their potential? Can you give me your expectations? I don't see any of those guys being all-star potential.

Posted by 93BUICK:

I think the reason you see more "hater" posts is that someone who is unhappy with their life will try and vent it out on a computer, imagining a sense of power after typing to strangers about a sports team.
Lovers are more accepting about their beloved team and even if it's ugly and cruel they'll make up excuses for it like a Lover would, hoping that it will come around.
-LoverMan

Papabear Says

You are so right.

Papabear.

Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Yall dudes don't see positive light on anything. The glass is always half empty for you. You starting to sound like miserable old men ( some of you in here are) that can't get it up any more...and quite frankly that **** is getting annoying. If it's not bashing Marbury sudden religious turnaround then its bashing Curry's physique. Half of you are fat white guys posting at this site allday from your jobs. Crawford even gained 20 lbs and instead of "the extra muscle will help with his driving" I hear " that muscle might slow him down". Fucking ridiculous. Yall aint ultimate knicks fans. Yall sound more like my roommate (Lakers fan).

Posted by Cookdcokehop:

First off you STFU. Don't get upset because I am stating the obvious. It is not misplaced anger, it is an observation. This **** has to stop. If not that then justify your constant negative remarks. Honestly the Knicks HAVE sucked for a while now, but you guys have so little optimism for the franchise you allegedly love so much. We sound like Clippers fan. I admit I did go kinda hard on my first post. I'm not trying to offend anyone, just simply trying to make a point.

Posted by Papabear:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by 93BUICK:

I think the reason you see more "hater" posts is that someone who is unhappy with their life will try and vent it out on a computer, imagining a sense of power after typing to strangers about a sports team.
Lovers are more accepting about their beloved team and even if it's ugly and cruel they'll make up excuses for it like a Lover would, hoping that it will come around.
-LoverMan

That fails to explain why many of the people criticizing the Knicks here don't criticize the Yankees in the Yankees' thread. If your theory held any validity, wouldn't we expect those angry with life to project their anger consistently?

Papabear Says

Take a good look at the Yankees then take a good look at the Knicks. What do you see????

Papabear

A well run organization and the worst run organization in professional sports. There are PLENTY of Yankee critics around, though. If his theory held any validity, the Knicks' critics would be among the Yankee critics too. But they aren't. And his theory doesn't.