I'm hearing from a lot of women today that isiah deserved it because no man should treat a woman like that.

Mrs. Anunca states that she did it for all women out there to show men can't get away with stuff like this.

Everyone on tv and radio that have been calling in have been echoing the same stuff.

Now, I'm not down with abusing women, and nonsense like this have no place in society let alone the work place. Here's the but........

.........when will women decide their place in society? Are you gonna be equal all around or will you revert back to a damzel in disress when things don't go your way in order to get your way?

I can't tell you how pissed off I am about this whole thing. Its bull****.

I have experienced womans bull**** personally and professionally. To tell you the truth I'm a little fed up.

Its a double standard out there and I wish to hear others views on this case, and anything in general having to do with women and their nonsense.

You sound bitter.

If it is a victory at all, it isn't just a victory for women. It's a victory for anyone who has been bullied in the workplace.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 10-03-2007 12:00]

Women should have equal opportunities in society as man.
But women ARE different from man and I think they want to be and feel SRECIAL.
And they in fact are - mothers, spouses, and partners for man in life.
Man can be some of this for some specific group of man (and it is OK) but it is more of exception.
Women deserve more that to just be equal. And no doubt they should not be treated like at MSG.

^ Eny, I can relate to some of what you're saying and can agree with a good amount of it... and certainly things are taken way too far, and I agree, there is a double standard in many cases.

That being said, IMHO, it has nothing to do with the trial. People who are assuming Anucha didn't prove her case are assuming too much. Clearly the jury thought it was clear and the judge thought their decision was reasonable.

Eny

I think you have bit of a double standard. You want people to be sensitive to issues on race yet when it comes to gender issues you seem to have the "get over it" attitude. The situations that you just described if I put them in the context of racial issues would you be saying black people and their bs? For example if Isiah was a white man and Anucha is black man what if the situation was that Isiah used maybe nothing as inflammatory as the n-word but called him I don't know a monkey or a spook would you agree that is a hostile work environment? Would you think there is a cause of a discrimnation law suit?

Keep in mind that not everyone has the same sensitivity level and attitudes regarding whats appropriate in the work place. Myself I joke with my male counterparts and we pretty will discuss anything under the sun. But I always coordinate my topics of discussion to whomever my audience is and even though I may feel that a particular subject is fair game for me I realize that there are other people around and they may object to certain things.

Some of the examples that your citied no offense but how do you know thats all there was to it (the ones that you weren't personally involved with)? The reason I ask because one of my friends at work got suspended and of course he told me it was over basically nothing but in reality it of course it was something a lot more substantial than what he told me. So if you weren't there when the incident occurred whose to say what took place. Or sometimes one incident is just another one of many incidences.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 10-03-2007 12:51 PM]

What were the specifics of Thomas sexual harrassment?

Was he found guilty calling her a bitch or a ho? Was he found guilty for sexual advances since he hugged and kissed her? Or both?

Posted by bitty41:

Eny

I think you have bit of a double standard. You want people to be sensitive to issues on race yet when it comes to gender issues you seem to have the "get over it" attitude. The situations that you just described if I put them in the context of racial issues would you be saying black people and their bs? For example if Isiah was a white man and Anucha is black man what if the situation was that Isiah used maybe nothing as inflammatory as the n-word but called him I don't know a monkey or a spook would you agree that is a hostile work environment? Would you think there is a cause of a discrimnation law suit?

Keep in mind that not everyone has the same sensitivity level and attitudes regarding whats appropriate in the work place. Myself I joke with my male counterparts and we pretty will discuss anything under the sun. But I always coordinate my topics of discussion to whomever my audience is and even though I may feel that a particular subject is fair game for me I realize that there are other people around and they may object to certain things.

Some of the examples that your citied no offense but how do you know thats all there was to it (the ones that you weren't personally involved with)? The reason I ask because one of my friends at work got suspended and of course he told me it was over basically nothing but in reality it of course it was something a lot more substantial than what he told me. So if you weren't there when the incident occurred whose to say what took place. Or sometimes one incident is just another one of many incidences.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 10-03-2007 12:51 PM]

All it takes is you being overheard by someone that is offended by your comments for you to find yourself in hot water. Or one of your "buddies" to change their mind about the topics you discuss. Or one argument with one of the people that you speak with at work. It will eventually get to the point where you literally can't talk about anything.

When in a professional environment it is best to behave professionally and save all of the other stuff for after work. People give the word PC a bad name, but all PC is, is the right for people not to be called N*ggers, women not to be demeaned etc. The people who have historically complained about PC have been white men who were upset that they were being forced not to be sexist and racist a-holes. Now PC means that for every man in the work place as well. Something definitely happened at MSG, but nothing came out about 11 million dollars worth of something.

My mom works for the NYS division of human rights. The do real damages there. So no emotional suffering or anything like that. You lost you job and it took you 5 months to find you another one, they owe you 5 months of pay, thats it. I think they should throw in a cuople of 1000 worth of penalty money or fines, but this money ABS asked for, relative to what she went through seems totally ridiculous.

There are women all over the country who are routinely herassed in real ways, forced into sexual encounters and all kinds of realy harmful damaging degrading things, this ABS case is not a victory for them and does not approach that. Women who are single mothers struggling to get by, being sexually exploited, not just herassed. Save the big judgements for that. THey would be able to literally shut down the music industry if they did that, because herassment is open and a part of the culture so much that its virtually accepted.

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Solace:

Sorry that your hero has fallen so far, Eny.

Who cares about isiah? Its what happened to isiah.

Women are sexually harassed all the time and it shouldn't happen, but the evidence that was leaked didn't suggest isiah did anything. if anunca said it it must be true? Come on man.

I worked in a hospital food service department a while back. if you been to a hospital, aside from the doctors and building services, there's not much men around. Anyway, I used to get mauled all the time in the kitchen areas, or nurses stations because of my polo sport prettyness. Women making remarks like "he's so cute", "you know you are so handsom", "is my darling back?"......or asking for hugs and kisses all the time. Rubbing up against me "by accident". Leaning on me, touching my arms and chest...........

Don't I sound gay now right? Well yeah but technically that all sexual harrassment. I had a dude that I work with get fired off of that ****. Some girl he was messing with got jealous cuz she saw him talking to another woman so she called him in on sexual harrassment. Done deal he was gone by the end of the week no questions asked.

A girl threatened me once cuz I wouldn't take her sexual advances. They caught her in a lie and she just quit.

This guy at my job now has been suspended without pay for a month now cuz he was caught "undressing a customer with his eyes". No lie. He is fighting now cuz the woman filed a complaint and a supervisor is backing her. They want to fire him over that.

Anunca didn't accuse isiah of trying to dry hump her or exposing himself or that type of thing. It was just innocent banter from what I read. The black bitch and ho stuff is rediculous. There had better be tape and numerous witnesses currently working at msg that can prove that.

Again, with this women strike back bull****.......its just unsettling to me. I can't take it. Same with the stuff on race that's been happening. Its enough to make me wanna turn into a civil rights activist........but who's paying my rent?

Eny, these situations you discuss are different than the MSG case.

I'm no expert on sexual harassment cases but I don't think simply flirting or coming onto someone is consodered harssment unless it's done meanly or highly inappropriately.

In the case with Isiah he was trying to kiss her after having established a combative and antagonistic relationship with her, so his advances appear as another means to bully her and get over on her. That's not amorous, that's using sexuality as a weapon. That's the point so many miss. We keep hearing people say that people at work hung each other all the time. That's fine among friends and when the contact is welcome, it's odd and a different sensation altogether between enemies. When your enemy hugs you you feel slimed while you wait for the stab in the back.

Now if your situation at work was that someone first wanted you canned and tried to make your job impossible (like Isiah not making players available for promotions, so in the season we get LB and hire Spike Lee to do commercials he's left having to use cardboard cut outs to block shots and play defense - kinda apt in the end) called you a "bitch, ho, house negro" etc, and then started grabbing you, and when you complained to your boss you got fired from your $260,000 job for doing so, then you might be on similar grounds as Anucha.

Bitty,

You calling me sexist? , lol. I get what you are saying. At the same time i m just going by evidence and common sense as with all other topics we have here. Imus is a ignorant prick, so is o'reilly. Sharpton is a misguided prick also. I wouldn't call them anything if any of those guys didn't have a history of prickosity(nice word eh?). In the isiah case, I can only speak on what everyone else knows. People want to cruxify msg, but I didn't hear anything solid that makes me believe what anunca said is true. The end result is that everyone and there mother is ready to burn down msg for this. Anunca said she did it for all women. That's where my problem begins and ends. On the flipside the rangers has their own sexual harrassment thing going on that looks to be far worse than the stuff with isiah. There could be something seriously wrong at msg but that stuff hasn't been brought up with this anunca case. Its just isiah, isiah. Again with what we all have read about this there wasn't anything that made sense to make me believe there was sexual harrassment. Maybe anunca was apart of the hostile work enviroment that's why she got fired. That came up in the case why isn't that true? If it was so bad why was she suing for her job back. That's where I'm at with it. If anything comes up that makes sense one way or the other my mind could change. Blah blah blah.

As far as the personal stuff I mentioned? I was a witness to how that girl flipped on my friend. We all used to hang out, double date and eat lunch together. The girl was ok one day the next she wasn't. She was askin me if the guy was sleepin with her. Next thing you know the dude was fired 3 days later. the girl said he was trying to kiss her and made sexual comments about her. Ok, they were screwing each other for a couple months, I know cuz I was there a few times, lol......in another room of course, lol. The other instance where the guy might get fired over undressing with his eyes is true. The grievence was distributed amongst the workers as a heads up. In the thing that happened to me a while back, the girl was coming on to me hard but she wasn't attractive to me. So she tried to say I was coming on to her but she wrote two different statements that didn't make sense and they were going to suspend her so she quit.

Again, I just hate when people try to manipulate things to hurt others or gain financially. Its a messed up world we live in. Wish I had the time and resourses but I got bills and ****.

Posted by Killa4luv:

When in a professional environment it is best to behave professionally and save all of the other stuff for after work. People give the word PC a bad name, but all PC is, is the right for people not to be called N*ggers, women not to be demeaned etc. The people who have historically complained about PC have been white men who were upset that they were being forced not to be sexist and racist a-holes. Now PC means that for every man in the work place as well. Something definitely happened at MSG, but nothing came out about 11 million dollars worth of something.

My mom works for the NYS division of human rights. The do real damages there. So no emotional suffering or anything like that. You lost you job and it took you 5 months to find you another one, they owe you 5 months of pay, thats it. I think they should throw in a cuople of 1000 worth of penalty money or fines, but this money ABS asked for, relative to what she went through seems totally ridiculous.

There are women all over the country who are routinely herassed in real ways, forced into sexual encounters and all kinds of realy harmful damaging degrading things, this ABS case is not a victory for them and does not approach that. Women who are single mothers struggling to get by, being sexually exploited, not just herassed. Save the big judgements for that. THey would be able to literally shut down the music industry if they did that, because herassment is open and a part of the culture so much that its virtually accepted.

Good stuff as usual.