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djsunyc
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9/28/2007  10:00 AM
Bulls Passed On KG Because Of Extension Price?
September 27, 2007 - 6:09 pm
Star Tribune -

Glen Taylor, owner of the Wolves, said that the Kevin Garnett trade might have never developed had Garnett not come to Kevin McHale last spring and asked for a three-year contract extension.

But Garnett, who was being paid $22 million a season, refused the suggestion of Taylor that KG take a cut in salary, so the decision was made to make the trade. Taylor said that the Chicago Bulls were interested in Garnett but not at the salary he demanded.

i see this. reinsdorf is a baseball fan first and foremost and pumps money into the white sox. to him, the bulls are just another part of his empire that's profitable. btw, did you know that part of paxson's contract includes %'s of profits so he is making alot of money to be the gm of that team (how much, i'm not sure).
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9/28/2007  11:08 AM
If forget how many years garnet has left on this contract, yet alone asking for 30 mil a season on top of that for a guy that will be I think 35-36-37????
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9/28/2007  3:17 PM
Bulls + KG = championship
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9/28/2007  5:28 PM
They gave Ben Wallace a ridiculous extension.
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9/28/2007  5:39 PM
I respect the notion of fiscal responsibility- I'm not sure I would have wanted KG on the knicks- if it came cheap in terms of outbound talent, but required the extension.

I might have been able to get by with the 'its not my money' narcotic- but as an addictive personality, my reason would have fought through with 'too many miles' and not the kind of talent this knick squad needs to get a ring- first or second round play offs isn't enough when you're making the kg kinds of decisions (extension)
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9/28/2007  5:51 PM
Posted by Ira:

They gave Ben Wallace a ridiculous extension.

LOL! He got a 4yr $52mil deal that depreciates and he's a Top 7 center in the NBA. He's going into the second yr of that deal. And he wasn't extended he was given a new contract as a Free Agent. It's not that bad a deal.
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9/28/2007  6:09 PM
LOL. Try 4 years at over $60 million.

It's a big contract for a guy who is 32 years old and whose stats already started to decline.

Especially when they had a younger, cheaper and better option in Tyson Chandler.
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9/28/2007  6:10 PM
Check that, 33 years old.
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9/28/2007  7:50 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Check that, 33 years old.

$15.5mil=33yrs old
$14.5mil=34yrs old
$14mil=35yrs old

Very reasonable for a player who has been DPOY 4X's and underpaid his whole career practically. He only has 3yrs left no matter how you look at it the deal is not as bad as some try to make it be here. He may end up being traded as an expiring his last yr so in essence it could be looked at as the Bulls having him for 2 more yrs.
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9/28/2007  7:52 PM
Well he helped the Bulls have a better record last year than we've had in like centuries. Now he has 3 yrs and 43 m left on his contract.
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9/28/2007  8:00 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Well he helped the Bulls have a better record last year than we've had in like centuries. Now he has 3 yrs and 43 m left on his contract.

Why is there always double standard reasoning when it comes to our fans Bonn?

The same fans that goof on the Bulls signing Ben Wallace are the same fans defending the Randolph trade, a player who'll make more than Wallace with an extra yr on his deal and doesn't impact the game in the manner Wallace does.

I believe Wallace at the rickity old age of 32-33 had a back-to-back 20reb game and 3 back-to-back 15reb games last yr. 6.5pts/11reb/2blks/2ast with zero offense being ran for him.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 09-28-2007 7:00 PM]
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9/28/2007  8:28 PM
What double standard? Zach Randolph turned 26 this summer. His play has been improving. Not so with Wallace. Check out his stats for the past four seasons.

Points - 9.5, 9.7, 7.3, 6.4
Boards - 12.4, 12.2, 11.3, 10.7
Blocks - 3.0, 2.4, 2.2, 2.0

Last season, his points, blocks, fg% and ft% were below his career numbers. His rebounds were the same as his career averages. His foul shooting tends to stay about 41% - much worse than Curry and worse than even Shaq or Wilt.
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9/28/2007  8:31 PM
Posted by Ira:

What double standard? Zach Randolph turned 26 this summer. His play has been improving. Not so with Wallace. Check out his stats for the past four seasons.

Points - 9.5, 9.7, 7.3, 6.4
Boards - 12.4, 12.2, 11.3, 10.7
Blocks - 3.0, 2.4, 2.2, 2.0

Last season, his points, blocks, fg% and ft% were below his career numbers. His rebounds were the same as his career averages. His foul shooting tends to stay about 41% - much worse than Curry and worse than even Shaq or Wilt.



Which of the two impact games more in terms of wins?

Why is it we choose to look at STAT WHORES who are nothing more than perennial LOSERS as a means to justify them over the next guy?

Why didn't Zach's impressive World Beater stats help Portland win more games?



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 09-28-2007 7:32 PM]
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9/28/2007  9:21 PM
That probably has to do with the rest of the team. Zach's +/- (9.7 and 4.0) and his Roland Rating (8.1) were very good.
http://www.82games.com/0607/0607POR.HTM

Zach isn't on a level of Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett who not only score well and rebound well, like Randolph, but they're good defensive players too. But Zach is a presence out there and he's certainly a big step up over Channing Frye.
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9/28/2007  9:40 PM
Posted by Ira:

That probably has to do with the rest of the team. Zach's +/- (9.7 and 4.0) and his Roland Rating (8.1) were very good.
http://www.82games.com/0607/0607POR.HTM

Zach isn't on a level of Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett who not only score well and rebound well, like Randolph, but they're good defensive players too. But Zach is a presence out there and he's certainly a big step up over Channing Frye.

What's your interpretation of our franchise player's stats in those two categories (on/off -2.0; Roland Rating 0.8)?
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9/28/2007  9:46 PM
Posted by Ira:

That probably has to do with the rest of the team. Zach's +/- (9.7 and 4.0) and his Roland Rating (8.1) were very good.
http://www.82games.com/0607/0607POR.HTM

Zach isn't on a level of Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett who not only score well and rebound well, like Randolph, but they're good defensive players too. But Zach is a presence out there and he's certainly a big step up over Channing Frye.


Maybe if he concentrated more on the other side of the ball that could have been the difference in PDX winning a few more games. As usual with our fan base we back a player always using offensive statistics. And besides Zach's Rolands or whatever the crap other dubios statistics reveal aren't so good that it justifies chewing into Lee and THE SAVIOR's Jeffries minutes, cornering our Cornerstone, on top of taking on more albatross salary.
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9/28/2007  9:48 PM
Posted by Ira:

That probably has to do with the rest of the team. Zach's +/- (9.7 and 4.0) and his Roland Rating (8.1) were very good.
http://www.82games.com/0607/0607POR.HTM

Zach isn't on a level of Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett who not only score well and rebound well, like Randolph, but they're good defensive players too. But Zach is a presence out there and he's certainly a big step up over Channing Frye.

Big step over whom? Are you kidding. Who is Channing Frye?

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9/28/2007  11:55 PM
I think people laugh at the Wallace signing because it was alot of money for a guy that was pretty much one dimensional. Grant it, he is the best at what he does, but 15 mil was alot especially when they had Chandler. The problem is that they spent all the money to get Wallace and they still didn't have enough to put them over the top. The problem is Wallace is on the decline, and this is exactly why the bulls should have went all in with the KG sweepstakes and KB (when he is available) else it's a waste of 60 mil.
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Posted by Michael6835:

I think people laugh at the Wallace signing because it was alot of money for a guy that was pretty much one dimensional. Grant it, he is the best at what he does, but 15 mil was alot especially when they had Chandler. The problem is that they spent all the money to get Wallace and they still didn't have enough to put them over the top. The problem is Wallace is on the decline, and this is exactly why the bulls should have went all in with the KG sweepstakes and KB (when he is available) else it's a waste of 60 mil.

this is talking from a perspective of a knicks fan where our team has no concern for $$$'s.

other teams operate under a budget - look at the suns for pete's sake. the bulls have a budget and paxson can not go over it. they are also the most profitable team basketball wise in the league so reinsdorf is making alot of money...but he doesn not put it back on the team. the bulls (as other teams) are under strict orders to not go into luxury land. you can't have kobe and/or kg without being deep in luxury territory. we are one of the very few teams that don't care about $$$'s and our owner gives us $$$ to spend (which is a good thing)...and that's what makes it so frustrating at times when following the knicks and their payroll.
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9/29/2007  1:18 AM
Posted by Michael6835:

I think people laugh at the Wallace signing because it was alot of money for a guy that was pretty much one dimensional. Grant it, he is the best at what he does, but 15 mil was alot especially when they had Chandler. The problem is that they spent all the money to get Wallace and they still didn't have enough to put them over the top. The problem is Wallace is on the decline, and this is exactly why the bulls should have went all in with the KG sweepstakes and KB (when he is available) else it's a waste of 60 mil.
Ben is one dimensional??? Are you reducing everything on the defensive to just one dimension?
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