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Andrew
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5/21/2003  3:49 PM
I think I saw Smush play about as much on TV as Frank did. Smush got a ton more action than Williams and looked alot better on the court. Williams always looked like he was playing scared. Anyone else have any comparisons or insights between the two....I always wished the Knicks could have picked him up.

Please don't turn this into another 8 page Layden thread.
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5/21/2003  4:09 PM
Posted by Andrew:

I think I saw Smush play about as much on TV as Frank did. Smush got a ton more action than Williams and looked alot better on the court. Williams always looked like he was playing scared. Anyone else have any comparisons or insights between the two....I always wished the Knicks could have picked him up.

Please don't turn this into another 8 page Layden thread.

I also wanted Smush last year. I think one reason that Smush played well is that he didn't have the pressure to make sound decisions since Cavs were tanking. Williams had the pressure from day one to get the job done because the knicks were trying to make the playoffs at all costs. It was almost like Chaney was holding Williams on a leash. I think Smush is way more athletic than Williams he looks like a defense clone of Payton with his wing span at the g position. Another thing that has to come into consideration is that the Knicks don't know how to develope talent.
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5/21/2003  4:17 PM
Smush would have been a good pick but his attitude is what kills you about him. I think once Williams gets past those rookie jitters he will be a good player. He's no longer a rookie so hopefully he can really flourish and maybe even improve enough to start if no changes are made at the point this summer.
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5/21/2003  4:17 PM
Frank Williams has trouble with the simple task of bringing the ball up court. He already has a bad rep throughout the league which is why teams press him in the backcourt. He's okay once the team gets set in the half court offense. Next year (if he gets any PT) he has to be more aggressive on the offensive end.

[Edited by - Pike on 05/21/2003 16:48:01]
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5/21/2003  4:19 PM
I thought the pressure affected him earlier in the season, but towards the end he handled pretty well.
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5/21/2003  4:38 PM
Posted by Andrew:

I thought the pressure affected him earlier in the season, but towards the end he handled pretty well.

This run to the playoffs was so unnecessary, all it did was hinder Williams progress for next year and their chance at LeBron. I don't think Williams got enough run to make a big difference for next year. I would have liked the Knicks to bring him along much the same way the Nets have been bringing Collins and Jefferson along. With PT comes experience and with that the player becomes better. It would have been wise for the KNicks to find time for Williams in the course of the games even 5 minutes of game time experience would have helped him prepare better for next year. I look at guys like Prince and Okur on Detroit who got some PT in the course of the season and they were on a team that was contending for the easts best record. Why is it that a team like Nets and Pistons can find time for their rookies and the Knicks can't. The Knicks can be frustrating with the way they handle certain situations.
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5/21/2003  4:39 PM
Great thread idea, Andrew.

I've seen Smush play ball on West 4th street and he didn't sweat. He was exploding off of the floor for dunks. I didnt know he was a point guard cuz he didn't show any point guard skills....he wasn't even the best player on the court that day....it was Junie Sanders but that's a whole different conversation.

Frank Williams just showed no determination on the court what so ever. He did bounce back and show some signs towards the end of the season.......looking alot slimmer. Maybe with all this time off he can get with a trainer and work on what he needs to work on in order to become a good pro.

Difference between Frank and Smush?
Frank has real point guard skills. Smush seems like he's still learning how to run a team. Smush has no problem scoring but he has to establish himself as a point or he's gonna be out of the league.
Frank got like a 5 year deal so he's straight.
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5/21/2003  4:42 PM
I agree Vmart, the Knicks never develop anyone... and if they didn't under last years circumstances... when will they ever?
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5/21/2003  4:49 PM
Posted by Pike:

I agree Vmart, the Knicks never develop anyone... and if they didn't under last years circumstances... when will they ever?

Well what about this year?...with Dyess most likely out for the begining of the season......with a possibility of waiving ward, Travis, Nailon, and Postel......Would the Knicks have no choice?

They can't possibly go into next season thinking that having Sprewell from the start of the season is gonna add 10 games.
if anything the east is gonna get real compeditive especially if they rearrange the teams,....and some other teams stepping up like Chicago......

The Knicks might be forced to just teach. With Coliins and some of the other former head guys they mentioned as assistant coaches....maybe the Knicks are finally getting the picture.
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5/21/2003  4:57 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Pike:

I agree Vmart, the Knicks never develop anyone... and if they didn't under last years circumstances... when will they ever?

Well what about this year?...with Dyess most likely out for the begining of the season......with a possibility of waiving ward, Travis, Nailon, and Postel......Would the Knicks have no choice?

They can't possibly go into next season thinking that having Sprewell from the start of the season is gonna add 10 games.
if anything the east is gonna get real compeditive especially if they rearrange the teams,....and some other teams stepping up like Chicago......

The Knicks might be forced to just teach. With Coliins and some of the other former head guys they mentioned as assistant coaches....maybe the Knicks are finally getting the picture.

Your right how long can the knicks go the same path especially when it is leading them to no where. I think this new coaching staff they bring in will be better with young players. I think they realize that its about bringing in young players and developing them and adding key FA to the team that will help get them back at a high level of play.
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5/21/2003  5:08 PM
Even ín Europe you could hear that Smush has some real attitude problems. He seems to behave like a star even though he had only played a few games! And he seems not to be very fond of being coached which is propably the worst thing a rookie pg can be!!!
I think its really a sad thing Chaney didnt play Williams more especially at the end of a allready lost season and with Ward injured!!!
New York really seems to be the last place to be for a rookie!!!
Which makes me kind of understand why Milos isnt too fond to come too!!!
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5/21/2003  5:41 PM
... because someone in the Knicks chain of command doesn't get it. This is why the high priced guys Eisley and Ward play... while a once highly regarded 1st round pick rots on the bench.

By the way, if Williams came out a year earlier, after his sophmore year at Illinois.. he would have probably been drafted in the top ten. However, a shaky junior season made him slip to us at 25.

[Edited by - Pike on 05/21/2003 17:42:23]
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Posted by dodger78:

Even ín Europe you could hear that Smush has some real attitude problems. He seems to behave like a star even though he had only played a few games!

I can co-sign that because when he was at West 4th no one knew who he was except me. This particular day he wasn't playing but he was just there to watch. He knew some players there but no one was jocking him. He was just standing by the train station entrance with his arms folded as if to be upset no one knows who he was. I told my girlfriend who's a photographer and she just had to get his picture for her collection. He almost came out his face but he let her take the picture.

She has yet to print the shot she took of him. "His attitude sucks" as she would say.
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5/21/2003  5:47 PM
Posted by Pike:

... because someone in the Knicks chain of command doesn't get it. This is why the high priced guys Eisley and Ward play... while a once highly regarded 1st round pick rots on the bench.

By the way, if Williams came out a year earlier, after his sophmore year at Illinois.. he would have probably been drafted in the top ten. However, a shaky junior season made him slip to us at 25.

[Edited by - Pike on 05/21/2003 17:42:23]

He must have lost his heart after his 2nd year. You can see his skills though. He just has to find his mojo.

Maybe he should get a Red Bull....it gives you wings you know.
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5/21/2003  6:38 PM
enyspree, I remember the days if west 4th street, I played in that tourney when I was younger in the junior division, and after our games we used to stay around listen to the music, chase girls and watch the big boys play, like the Mccray Brothers, Steve Burt, Pookie wilson....Ahhh the good old days, this was just a little before your time youngster.... but anyway Frank williams should be happy someone noticed him off court because at times we hardly noticed him on court...

As far as he and smush goes, I think smush is a better athalete, but Frank has quick hands, long arms and he defends well, seems to be more of a Pg... I think Frank williams will be a fine player with the proper time, like mentioned earlier there was no reason for williams not to play a lot last year, playing eisley and ward with the crazy hopes of making the playoffs was just stupid!!! And once we were officially eliminated Frank should have started..Period!!
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5/21/2003  6:49 PM
[b][/My opinion of Frank Williams is that # 1 he was out of shape eating candy bars and bubble gum for his dinner(deprieved of it as a kid)b]# 2 He had the problem of playing on the Worlds greatest stage for a ball playerm MSG WHERE AS A rookie you can freeze (fear of failure) or try to hard and force the play. #3 Chaney has a mandate to win as many games as possible from the owner JAMES DOLAN. #4 In Practice he did well against eisley and ward(limited pt guards)and gained some confidence, but madate was to win games , so Chaney didn't see enough when he played to help us win so (back to mandate win) he was riding the pine. This yr I expect from his former coaches( Univ Illinois) knicks trainers and his family to push him to be all he can be, Frank never had anyone to teach him the little things in life growing up without proper leadership as a young man.
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Posted by tkf:

but anyway Frank williams should be happy someone noticed him off court because at times we hardly noticed him on court...

I saw Smush not Frank....
Smush is a jerk.

Frank has a herky jerky type of dribble that makes the defense fall a sleep at the right time. His eye's are always moving which is a plus but he was thinking a little too much out there.

His defense reminds me of Derek Harper.....now that I think about it...his whole game says Derek Harper all over it. They both have tight form on their jumpers and quick hands on defense. It would be great to see Frank mimic the play of Derek Harper. Harper was good for 17 and 7 back in the Dallas says.

Frank and Houston = Derek and Rolando?

Would be nice....
lets just hope the kid can at least be more aggressive in bringing the ball up the court first.
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5/21/2003  8:00 PM
This from LarrythaLeo....
Still has a chance to become a great player for the knicks, Frank's career started out much like Charlie Ward's however I feel that Frank has alot more natural skill and talent then Ward, and this will lead to him having a great career once he's able to get some playing time.
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5/21/2003  10:11 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by tkf:

but anyway Frank williams should be happy someone noticed him off court because at times we hardly noticed him on court...

I saw Smush not Frank....
Smush is a jerk.

my bad, anyway smush can't afford to be a Jerk, what has he done?
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