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MS
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9/6/2007  12:54 PM
The crawford experiment has been a failure and so has his progression, he is a good player, but on this team he doesn't have the necessary guidance to be a great player nor the mental makeup to play the right way. There are teams out there that would value Jamal because of his scoring abilities, it would be nice to see him get a chance to play on a good team.

Nate I am not sold on either and dikau and jones in my opinion are not valuable pieces. What the knicks need is mentors for their young players and that is exactly why I would do everything in my power to get rid of those four guys.

Houston to mentor Chandler, Nichlas, Collins, Balkman, his experience and mechanics would be invaluable to these guys. The Knicks are not a good team, nor will they be if they don't get guys that can provide direction.

What is Jerome James providing except a partner for Curry to slack off about his conditioning.

Marbury/Collins
Richardson/Houston/Nicolas
Balkman/Jefferies/Chandler
Randolf/Lee
Curry/Rose

IR-Morris

Trade-Crawford and Nate
Cut-Jones and Dikau
I think that is a very solid rotation with a few active defenders and a little veteran savy out there that could make a little noise
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Bippity10
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9/6/2007  1:02 PM
In a perfect world where the guys on the end of the bench were making the minimum for 1 or 2 years it would be possible to bring in a guy like Allan to mentor the youth. It would actually be ideal. But in our current situation we really have no chance to sign the guy.
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9/6/2007  1:04 PM
there's really no need for himanymore. Remember we still dont know what he can give you.
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9/6/2007  1:40 PM
We need Patrick Ewing.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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9/6/2007  1:58 PM
Posted by CDB:

Remember we still dont know what he can give you.
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9/6/2007  2:00 PM
He's washed up, i'm sure. Name one player that has made a significant contribution after comeback from an injury like that at his age after 2 years off.
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9/6/2007  2:03 PM
Posted by Panos:

He's washed up, i'm sure. Name one player that has made a significant contribution after comeback from an injury like that at his age after 2 years off.

there's this dude i know, we'll call him fishmike.

he was a champion...world renowned. one year he tore up his knee while training. but that didn't keep him down. he kept practicing and practicing. hour after hour. after about 2 years, he returned to the circuit and within 6 months became world champion again.

man...how he's not in the pocket pool hall of fame yet is a travesty...
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9/6/2007  2:10 PM
i'm gonna say houston is gonna end up in houston.

with francis/tmac/yao, all he would have to do is wait for the ball and shoot for 15 mins a night.

and it's not like that team is gonna run up and down, and adelman isn't gonna hold him accountable for defense.

but there's an even higher chance that he doesn't last 1 month.
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9/6/2007  2:14 PM
Its not fair to totally bash craw like that. We aren't talking about channing Frye. We aren't talking about glen rice. We aren't talking about Charles smith, we are not talking about Tim Thomas. We aren't talking about spoon, eisley, and shandon. Give me a break!

Craw IS the best shooting guard we got and can get.

I keep saying trade him for who? Trade him for who?

Name any player and it will easily be shot down. Only kobe is maybe kinda sorta available and is way better. Other than that there is nobody available that is better!

Ray Allen coulds shoulda but he was going to Boston reguardless.
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9/6/2007  2:16 PM
frankly crawford plays no defense, he helps sink the team for half the season, and then for half the season helps adds wins.

Houston will always be able to shoot and open up space, i don't care what he can do, if he plays 15 minutes its fine. I would rather see a guy that knows his limitations to be honest. if he gets hurt big deal, then your lineup is

Marbury/Collins
Richardons/Nicholas
Balkman/Chandler

Which is better than having jamal and nate run a play ground clinic, just as i think having the oak man in the lockeroom instead of a player like james would be worth the vet minimum to teach guys how to not be gang bangers, jerkoffs and actually act professional, which is something this team hasn't had for a while, isiah made sure he moved just about every veteran in favor of an athletic youth with great skills and lack of game iq
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9/6/2007  2:22 PM
alot of gm's would be scared to trade away crawford b/c his talent level. it kind of bugs me that he plays worse than he should. he's got too much talent to be virtually invisible defensively and shoot only 40% from the field. dude needs to wake up and realize his potential otherwise we're looking at a guard version of tim thomas.
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9/6/2007  2:22 PM
You need to look at our team

Jamal Crawford Team Wins

2000-01 15 67 .183
2001-02 21 61 .256
2002-03 30 52 .366
2003-04 23 59 .280
2004–05 33 49 .402
2005–06 23 59 .280
2006-07 33 49 .402

If you don't think there is some correlation there, thats fine.
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9/6/2007  2:28 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i'm gonna say houston is gonna end up in houston.

with francis/tmac/yao, all he would have to do is wait for the ball and shoot for 15 mins a night.

and it's not like that team is gonna run up and down, and adelman isn't gonna hold him accountable for defense.

but there's an even higher chance that he doesn't last 1 month.

Actually that's the very reason he was hired to speed up their offense. That's why they traded for Mike James. Evidently players on Houston's team last yr had problems with JVG's rigid offensive and defensive structure. T-Mac spoke on it in an interview about a month ago, although he said he loved the way Jeff coached but is looking forward to Ricks more open style.

I agree with you though, their team really isn't structured to run and I'm curious to see how Adelman will make it work.

Houston will be going to Cleveland or Detroit
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9/6/2007  2:28 PM
Scratch that we need Clyde and some piece of mind...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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9/6/2007  2:28 PM
He has been in the league 7 years and shoots it at 40%, he can get by anyone, get a shoot whenever he wants and get to the rim. And there is no way that 43 shooting guards in the nba should shoot the rock at a higher percentage. If you through in pg he is up in the 60's and to be fair to jamal he has to be in the top 10 in being able to blow by guys and get his shot
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9/6/2007  3:04 PM
Houston has a sweet stroke that made him deadly from the perimeter. I have a hard time thinking that he could come back at the same offensive capacity as he had in his prime after his years off and injuries to his knee.

But if you still believe he can come back 100%... I have to tell you that it's not good enough even if it was possible. The guy had 0% defensive capabilities. He is a constant liability on the floor on the defensive end. He does not rotate well or provide any kind of help defense. I would rather have Sprewell at his Prime than Houston. At least he played with Fire, Desire, and effort on both sides of the court.


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9/6/2007  3:29 PM
I think we need Allan Houston as a mentor and a leader more than an acutal producer. We need a group of vets to keep our young guys in line. Hopefully Zach and Eddie can learn to be those guys. Keep your fingers crossed!!

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9/6/2007  3:55 PM
He'll be a better version of Dell Curry at this point. I'd love to see what he could do with Curry & Zach drawing all that attention. I'd put him in the starting 5 and play him at the end of games if we needed offense. I'd give him about 20 min per game.

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9/6/2007  4:36 PM
I don't think there's room in our roster. I think we still have to cut a couple of guys before the season starts.
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9/6/2007  5:00 PM
I think its absolutely retarded to say you would rather have a washed up veteran to play minimal minutes rather than craw. Its retarded.

You guys have nothing to talk about.

I agree that craw never saw a shot he didn't like and his defense is terrible. I wouldn't mind trading him but for who? There isn't a player out there that is available that the knicks could get for craw. Not even if the knicks get screwed on a lopsided trade. Its crazy.

I think you are an idiot if you keep saying stuff about craw and demanding him traded but still refuse to say for who.

So I will ask again, trade craw for who? Everyone wants to play be mad dog Russo but won't go on record and say anything that can help the team.

I'm waiting....
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