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djsunyc
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8/22/2007  1:12 PM
Eddy Curry is shooting jumpers

Over the past couple of weeks, the Knick players have reunited up at the MSG Training Center for some workouts. Nate Robinson has been there pretty much all summer -- he's gone back to his home in Washington twice and also took a family vacation to Puerto Rico with Eddy Curry's tribe -- and seems determined to show his critics (which, I think you guys know by now, include me) that he is taking his career more serious now.

Zach Randolph apparently hasn't included himself in these runs. In fact, Z-Bo hasn't made his way to New York since he was introduced to the media at his press conference after the draft. Well, we were expecting to hook up with him a few weeks ago at a Knicks camp in Manhattan, but he, you see, he..um..his flight, you know, he either missed it or it was cancelled or something.

Wonderful start.

But I'm hearing Curry has showed off a new dimension to his game: an outside J. Nate says that Eddy is doing so comfortably within a scrimmage. A little catch-and-shoot. A pop-out. A little Patrick Ewing-style.

We know Eddy has a nice touch. He's not the quickest guy, but he moves well for a big man. Despite his three-point bomb that beat Milwaukee late in the season (Still waiting for someone to tell me why the Bucks had players defending the empty paint on that play), clearly this is a part of his game Curry needed to develop and he said he would. Of course I haven't been present to see it, so I'm just relaying what I've heard. But it's encouraging news. For Curry and Randolph to work, Eddy needs to be able to go high-post and hit a few 15-footers.

Just as long as he doesn't start falling in love with it.

At these workouts, just about all of the regulars have been present at one time or another: Curry, Robinson, Marbury, Crawford, Richardson, Lee, Balkman, Collins, Chandler, etc. Word is sometimes Isiah has even jumped into the fray.

Isiah has also been out to Vegas to keep tabs on David Lee at the USA basketball practices, where he is playing on a development squad that scrimmages against the varsity.

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The Demetris Nichols situation is interesting, to say the least. The kid has no interest in Europe, that's obvious. What you wonder now is what do the Knicks do with him? Clearly there is a log-jam in the backcourt and Nichols would be the lowest man on the totem pole behind Marbury, Jamal, Nate, Collins and Fred Jones. So then what? Do you eat a roster spot and put him in the D-League for a while? Do you trade him?

If you're asking me, I'd keep the kid. Put him in training camp and let him compete. You can never have too many shooters. Nichols has a lot to learn when it comes to taking good shots and not forcing (as we saw in the summer league), but he does have a stroke. I think it's worth having a rookie with a J on the bench than an out-of-shape veteran. It's worth one spot on your roster to invest in the future. I still believe the better move is to have open comp in training camp and dump a veteran who doesn't show up in shape and ready to play and contribute.

Now if Geoff Petrie takes a liking to the kid...

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Some thoughts on the Marbury/Vick stuff:

I want to keep the parameters of this blog set within the basketball boundaries. Nothing political, nothing racial. We're here to talk ball and the Knicks. I think most of you agree there are other places in the blogsphere for debating all of the socialogical issues that exist in our world. If you want to opine on Michael Vick, check out Bob Glauber's blog What About Bob? and have it out there.

But I will address a different issue than dog-fighting and the more heinous crime of how the dogs were tortured and discuss something I at least have an educated opinion on: the media asking Stephon Marbury about Vick.

It's a Catch-22 for a reporter when it comes to Marbury now, especially after some of the bizzarre things he's done and said this summer. Part of you wants to avoid him because you don't want him to say something stupid and turn it into a senseless frenzy, but really part of your job is to be there in case he does say something stupid (aka "makes news"), because if you're the only one who doesn't have it, you're in trouble with your boss.

I understand the thought that some of you have offered: why ask Marbury about Michael Vick? They are not teammates. I don't even know if they know each other. They play two different sports not even in the same city. There is no relevance other than the fact that they are both professional athletes.

It's obviously a bait question...the dangerous tool in our toolbox. Ask him about something controversial and see what he says. If you watch the clip, the guy holding the mic is nodding along with what Stephon is saying. That suggests he's agreeing, even though later he likely acted appalled by it, especially as he was explaining it to his editor. They knew they had a story.

What's even worse than just standing there nodding as Marbury said what he said, no one took on Stephon or asked him to clarify. That's something every one of us among the Knicks beat - well, almost all of us - would do instinctively. Without question, you can't let him walk away after saying what he said. You can't follow up with, "So about your new sneaker line..." or "How would you feel about playing with Kobe?"

At this point in his life, Stephon Marbury is not going to listen to someone in PR or a "publicist" to tell him not to comment on controversial issues or politics. It's true, why not also ask him what he thinks about global warming or Iraq? No matter what he says, it's just one man's opinion. We as people put too much stock into what famous people say, whether they are celebrities, rock stars or pro athletes, as if they have some sort of authority in intelligence because of their public status.

We are not biographers or publicists. We are not here to make friends or cut deals. One of the many important reasons for media is to use our inside access to educate. Not necessarily to teach what is right or wrong, but to offer the differences that exist in our world and the reasons behind it. Not everything is explainable. But through reading, you get a better understanding. You can decide from that whether or not you, for instance, admire or appreciate the person we have interviewed or you can form your own opinion about an issue that is being covered.

You know, important stuff like should David Lee be traded for Ron Artest.

The worst kind of reporting is when you're left wondering why the story was even written, such as why Marbury was asked about Michael Vick in the first place. I'm not at all trying to shield Stephon from the ignorance he portrayed in his comments. I'm only acknowledging that there is also guilt in the questioner. But the questioner is looking for a sound-byte because you, the reader, is looking for something juicy to read and to talk about. The cycle. And Stephon has showed us this summer that he can be suckered into playing into the cycle.

It's his responsiblity to put a stop to it if he so desires by simply declining to answer the question (he often does it with us). To solely blame the media is not accurate. As they say, don't hate the player, hate the game.

But to make Mark and his friends feel more comfortable, I'll offer this quote that takes that point a step further:

"The men with the muck-rake are often indispensable to the well-being of society," Theodore Roosevelt once said, "but only if they know when to stop raking the muck."

That's the fine line we walk in this business.
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8/22/2007  1:23 PM
More proof that it's about selling papers and nothing else
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8/22/2007  1:42 PM
That wa a great blog by Hahn. Maybe I was too harsh on Stephon, but sometimes these athletes are severely bated into saying certain things.

If Stephon supports what Vick was doing, I still think it's real bad, but maybe the media people needed to clarify more. It's only responsible.

Bip, maybe you're partially right, but I think it's more about gaining attention. In case you didn't know, a VERY SMALL portion of the profits a newspaper make is from sales. The largest portion of the profits come from putting advertisements in the papers. That is how the writers get paid.
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8/22/2007  1:47 PM
BTW, nice to learn about Curry. Hopefully he is also getting in shape and hopefully he'll be commited to defense as well. I can live with his shortcomings in the passing game. But he's got to D' up.
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8/22/2007  4:01 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

That wa a great blog by Hahn. Maybe I was too harsh on Stephon, but sometimes these athletes are severely bated into saying certain things.

If Stephon supports what Vick was doing, I still think it's real bad, but maybe the media people needed to clarify more. It's only responsible.

Bip, maybe you're partially right, but I think it's more about gaining attention. In case you didn't know, a VERY SMALL portion of the profits a newspaper make is from sales. The largest portion of the profits come from putting advertisements in the papers. That is how the writers get paid.

You are right the majority of the money comes from advertisers. But you can't get advertisers unless you have a large circulation. So I guess it's all tied in.

As for Curry. It's a good thing. Anytime a player can add something to his game than it's wonderful. I definitely see a value in him developing a J even though he is a post player. Hopefully it will translate on the court. But my biggest hope for Curry is that he is working just as hard on the defensive side of the ball as he is on developing the J. I remember in school when I received my offseason report of things to improve. 75% of the list did not include a basketball. Hopefully Curry is doing some similar things.
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8/22/2007  7:27 PM
Very nice blog report. I'm glad to here more validation of the teams overall good attitude this summer. Guys seem anxious to get this season going and to improve on last year. This is a step up from last year when similar reports came out, but nothing on this level. The team chemistry should be strong this year and I can't wait to see this team in action again.

I'm hoping that Aguirre got to work with Curry on the things he said he would. These included things outside of scoring the ball as well. He said he wanted to work with him on the mental aspects of the game. It is good tho to see that he did work on his jumper as he said he would. This along with the reports that he was working hard early this year are good signs.

I think in the end that DNic will be here with the team. I don't know if he'll be a guy that get's in the rotation. He may end up in D-League, but I do think he'll make the team and that Isiah will do something to make that happen. He fits better than Jones IMO. I think if they were to compete in camp that DNic would beat him out. He's got the size and skills we need.
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8/22/2007  8:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

Eddy Curry is shooting jumpers

and seems determined to show his critics (which, I think you guys know by now, include me) that he is taking his career more serious now.

That's what was said before last year. Talk is real cheap. This guy is out of excuses. He puts up now or he's not worth the two picks we gave up and Isiah will look like an idiot once again.
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8/22/2007  9:01 PM
Eddy should be realy motivated as Zack showing no respect and his game more versatile that Eddys.
Eddy will not get enough touches in the paint to show respectable scoring.
Defense will be another advantage over Zack but some things just too tuff for him to master
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8/22/2007  9:26 PM
"This guy is out of excuses. He puts up now or he's not worth the two picks we gave up and Isiah will look like an idiot once again."

4949 - what excuses did Eddy Curry make last season?

Are you so resentful of a 24 year old that you can't allow him the offseason to work on his without you piling on the random negative statements ?

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8/22/2007  9:39 PM
Posted by misterearl:

"This guy is out of excuses. He puts up now or he's not worth the two picks we gave up and Isiah will look like an idiot once again."

4949 - what excuses did Eddy Curry make last season?

Are you so resentful of a 24 year old that you can't allow him the offseason to work on his without you piling on the random negative statements ?

sheesh

I agree. Excuses are Isiah job. Eddies job to play hard on both end of the court.
The question is can he run fast enough to participate at both ends and stay healthy?

Also, please, evaluate my English. Any corrections, suggestions will be appreciated…


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8/22/2007  10:13 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by djsunyc:

Eddy Curry is shooting jumpers

and seems determined to show his critics (which, I think you guys know by now, include me) that he is taking his career more serious now.

That's what was said before last year. Talk is real cheap. This guy is out of excuses. He puts up now or he's not worth the two picks we gave up and Isiah will look like an idiot once again.
Eddy didn't say anything about adding a jumper to his game last year. He did have a better season last year and there's a good chance that he'll be even better this year. I don't get the negativity in this regard. We know talk is cheap, but can't you agree that the team coming together and working out is a GOOD THING? What the hell else can they do at this point? GEEZ! Is it too much to ask for us to feel better about our team for a change? We got better not only on paper, but as a team they all seem to want to make this year a success. The team spirit seems to be even better than last summer. This is what an improving team needs to do. I'm VERY happy that these things are taking place.

Not only do we have even more talent than we've had in the last 4 years, but they're working as a team in the off season as well. They're not obligated to do this but they realize that it will be great for the teams success if they do. So we should all be happy that the team is already doing what they should be doing.
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8/23/2007  5:00 AM
Posted by misterearl:

"This guy is out of excuses. He puts up now or he's not worth the two picks we gave up and Isiah will look like an idiot once again."

4949 - what excuses did Eddy Curry make last season?

Are you so resentful of a 24 year old that you can't allow him the offseason to work on his without you piling on the random negative statements ?

sheesh

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings and ruin your season before it even got started. How this one:
Curry is one of the most kind people on earth. He is the greatest Knicks player of all-time. He will dominate the floor next season and be the key factor in leading us to the NBA championship.

Is that better?
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8/23/2007  5:07 AM
but can't you agree that the team coming together and working out is a GOOD THING?

No I can't. For ten years, we've been promised this and promised that and all we've been is lied to. You *******s depress me. If you can't take critizism (and it's not even directed at you's) then I'll just go away for two more weeks. BYE!
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8/23/2007  5:22 AM
I'm skeptical that a guy who can't hit foul shots will have an effective jump shot. I'd rather see him work on his defense and rebounding.
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8/23/2007  8:06 AM
"No I can't. For ten years, we've been promised this and promised that and all we've been is lied to."

4949 - what promises were made in August of 1997?

... and what relevance does 1997 have with Eddy Curry working on his game in 2007? Just for the record, in 1997, Eddy Curry was all of 14 years old.

arkrud - you missed an apostrophe. You're very welcome.



[Edited by - misterearl on 08-23-2007 08:10 AM]
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8/23/2007  8:35 AM
a) arkrud, try using firefox, has a built-in spell checker

b) 4949, unfounded bashing comments isn't criticism, it's haterade. We all know the knicks have sucked but this doesn't proof they will and is no reason to turn positive press into your negative spin. There's a time and place for everything.

c) I would have preferred Curry working on D, blocking, passing and FT's but he's showing a positive work ethic.
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8/23/2007  11:12 AM
I can't complain about a guy working on any part of his game. I'm sure he's working on more than just a jumpshot but this is something that he hasn't had in his game before. As long as he's doing other things, this is a good thing.

The problem is that we have been hearing all this stuff for a few years now. I don't get excited or down when I read these articles. I'm numb to it all. I keep hearing how motivated, how in shape how etc we are about everything. And the end result is constantly the same. I personally don't care about the offseason reports. If someone says they are working hard I don't care. If someone reports that Curry hasn't touched a ball and is 400 lbs I don't care. I will wait and see when the season starts.

The only thing I want to see is Curry and Zach starting to work out together. This is the only one I'm concerned about. The rest is just media hype.
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8/23/2007  11:17 AM
It is imperative that Zach and Curry start working together sooner rather than later so that we aren't 4 months into the season and these guys are talking about how difficult it is to adjust. And then we have to spend another offseason listening to fans explain how there is a long adjustment period for anyone we add to the roster. I think it's important that they start sooner rather than later. But I don't want to be too critical because it may upset people.
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8/23/2007  11:31 AM
bippity - I just hope they work out in secret so the Knicks won't be penalized for organizing off-season workouts which are strictly prohibited under the NBA guidelines

I'm witchoo, forget the hype. Besides, I saw all the chemistry I needed to see in Las Vegas with David Lee and Malik Rose sitting together in the stands.

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8/23/2007  11:37 AM
Posted by misterearl:

bippity - I just hope they work out in secret so the Knicks won't be penalized for organizing off-season workouts which are strictly prohibited under the NBA guidelines

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