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arkrud
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8/17/2007  12:52 PM
In the first scrimmage against the Olympic stars Wednesday, the youngsters upset Team A, which featured Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Jason Kidd and Amare Stoudamire.

"We're simulating what other teams will do, so we packed in a zone and forced them to shoot outside," Lee said. "You can't guard Kobe and LeBron off the dribble, so it's the only way to be successful."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172007/sports/knicks/knicks_lee_enjoying_time_with_team_usa_knicks_marc_berman.htm
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8/17/2007  12:56 PM
It comes down to the simple formula, we didn't need zach, the more david lee the better. I know the youngersters have a lot of great players but energy guys that do everything in order to help the team win

Run the floor, fill the lanes, crash the defensive and offensive boards, finish in transition with either hand, pass effectively, selfless play

Are what we need thats why balkman and lee out there together are so valuable and offset the lack of energy from curry, crawford, even marbury at times on the defensive end of the floor. Active players that hustle trump most of the talent in the league because thats all they rely on.
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8/17/2007  1:56 PM
Lee, who missed the final 23 games with a mysterious stress reaction in his right leg, said he's feeling sore, but his injury has healed.

"I have muscle soreness from both legs because I had so much time off, but the injury itself is feeling normally," he said. "I have a good bounce in my step."

That's music to my ears.
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8/17/2007  5:17 PM
Sorry for wrong spelling of "Olympics"
Made a typo and thread title cannot be edited...
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8/17/2007  5:37 PM
Posted by arkrud:

Sorry for wrong spelling of "Olympics"
Made a typo and thread title cannot be edited...

no worries dude you're my favorie poster. don't ever change.

nothing's more entertaining than your game thread contributions as the vodka kicks in
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8/17/2007  7:06 PM
Posted by arkrud:

Sorry for wrong spelling of "Olympics"
Made a typo and thread title cannot be edited...

Arkrud, I would ask Martin to ban you, but I like you so I will not do it this time
I just hope that people will like me
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8/17/2007  10:24 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by arkrud:

Sorry for wrong spelling of "Olympics"
Made a typo and thread title cannot be edited...

Arkrud, I would ask Martin to ban you, but I like you so I will not do it this time

fukc that.
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8/17/2007  11:39 PM
I told you guys the practice squad would beat them. I'm a freakin genius.

USA basketball sucks. USA basketball should just send the ball4real guys out there and see how they do against the world.
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8/18/2007  8:03 AM
Why is international basketball better than the NBA?

Because we taught them the game and how to play fundementally. We taught them everything. We taught them too well.

Now on the American side, the NBA has always prompted charecters. Single entities like Jordan, kobe, tmac, etc. Throughout the years, these guys have failed and the better overall team has won. Ok maybe there will be a MVP candidate on the team or a couple all-stars. You still need a great group of players around that play well together and can carry their team on some occations when needed. You also need the right mix of stars. T-Mac and yao? Can't just be anybody. As talented as some of these guys are, some still can't play the game. 28,6,6 and still can't play the game.

As far as teaching the game, we forgot the most important principle and that's heart, loyalty, and respect for the game. Everyone else in the world understands this. They already displayed it in soccer and other sporting events. Those people know and love the game almost as much as soccer now. We have created a monster.

Anyone that still is harping on getting franchise players need to open their eyes. USA basketball senior team is filled with NBA MVP candidates. Why can't they beat anybody? Somewhere along the line we forgot to teach our own people the game. We poisoned a generation with the dollar. Everyone wants to be Jordan. Nobody knows how to play the game. Even NBA role players today. They all were jordans untill they got to the NBA. Meaning, they just got the ball and went one on one. The rest of the players watched them. When players get to the NBA, its too much retooling and teaching going on. Like Nate. Nobody made that bastard learn how to play the point? Not picking on him cuz there are tons of players in the league that are in la la land but have all the talent in the world just no knowledge. We are failing our athletes. The NBA players don't box out, or take charges. There is no fight.

Watch the spurs. They are NOT a very talented team, but they are a well oiled machine. They have tons of no name talent. They have Duncan who is probably one of the best players ever but he can't win without the robots around him. Those guys team rebound. They box out. They cut. That cut off lanes to the basket. They cheat. They all can shoot it. Tony Parker is perfect for them cuz the team has so much confusion happening that Parker gets to do what he wants. When they need a guy to be that kobe, they have manu and pop likes to take manu off the bench. Domination. The spurs never step on the court with more talent that the other team, but they always wind up destroying people.

The NBA is in trouble. They need to start teaching the game. They need to have NBA talent evaluators watch highschool games and offer NBA programs to come into schools and teach the coaches and up coming players how to really play the game. They do it internationally righ? Why don't they do it here?

Its sad. My step son was in a bitty league when he was 10-11. The "coaches" had the kids just passing the ball to the kid that already could play. The ones that could, wanted to learn but they just chucked them to the side without really teaching the game to them. Its sad.

Something needs to happen. Basketball without borders needs to come back home and save the American basketball player.
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8/20/2007  10:54 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Why is international basketball better than the NBA?

Because we taught them the game and how to play fundementally. We taught them everything. We taught them too well.

Now on the American side, the NBA has always prompted charecters. Single entities like Jordan, kobe, tmac, etc. Throughout the years, these guys have failed and the better overall team has won. Ok maybe there will be a MVP candidate on the team or a couple all-stars. You still need a great group of players around that play well together and can carry their team on some occations when needed. You also need the right mix of stars. T-Mac and yao? Can't just be anybody. As talented as some of these guys are, some still can't play the game. 28,6,6 and still can't play the game.

As far as teaching the game, we forgot the most important principle and that's heart, loyalty, and respect for the game. Everyone else in the world understands this. They already displayed it in soccer and other sporting events. Those people know and love the game almost as much as soccer now. We have created a monster.

Anyone that still is harping on getting franchise players need to open their eyes. USA basketball senior team is filled with NBA MVP candidates. Why can't they beat anybody? Somewhere along the line we forgot to teach our own people the game. We poisoned a generation with the dollar. Everyone wants to be Jordan. Nobody knows how to play the game. Even NBA role players today. They all were jordans untill they got to the NBA. Meaning, they just got the ball and went one on one. The rest of the players watched them. When players get to the NBA, its too much retooling and teaching going on. Like Nate. Nobody made that bastard learn how to play the point? Not picking on him cuz there are tons of players in the league that are in la la land but have all the talent in the world just no knowledge. We are failing our athletes. The NBA players don't box out, or take charges. There is no fight.

Watch the spurs. They are NOT a very talented team, but they are a well oiled machine. They have tons of no name talent. They have Duncan who is probably one of the best players ever but he can't win without the robots around him. Those guys team rebound. They box out. They cut. That cut off lanes to the basket. They cheat. They all can shoot it. Tony Parker is perfect for them cuz the team has so much confusion happening that Parker gets to do what he wants. When they need a guy to be that kobe, they have manu and pop likes to take manu off the bench. Domination. The spurs never step on the court with more talent that the other team, but they always wind up destroying people.

The NBA is in trouble. They need to start teaching the game. They need to have NBA talent evaluators watch highschool games and offer NBA programs to come into schools and teach the coaches and up coming players how to really play the game. They do it internationally righ? Why don't they do it here?

Its sad. My step son was in a bitty league when he was 10-11. The "coaches" had the kids just passing the ball to the kid that already could play. The ones that could, wanted to learn but they just chucked them to the side without really teaching the game to them. Its sad.

Something needs to happen. Basketball without borders needs to come back home and save the American basketball player.

This is one of the best posts I ever read.
No sarcasm or anything. I will never be able to do this in English.
I started learning English in 33. Too late.
I hope it is not too late for NBA.
But American basketball needs some revolution.
The huge long contracts are eating out the resources of the clubs and leaving nothing for players other that stars. So why to work hard if you are not a star and never be one. And why work hard if you already get the money...
Basketball bubbles...










[Edited by - arkrud on 08-20-2007 10:55 PM]

[Edited by - arkrud on 08-20-2007 10:55 PM]
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8/21/2007  9:18 AM
Great post. I would say though that the Spurs have alot of talent, more than what they typically face off against. Agree with verything else. Especially sad about the bitty league. Kind of liek baseball coaches who tell their kids never to swing at any pitches during the game. Everyone walks and runs score through walks. Noone learns the game at all but the coaches and parents get a W.
Posted by EnySpree:

Why is international basketball better than the NBA?

Because we taught them the game and how to play fundementally. We taught them everything. We taught them too well.

Now on the American side, the NBA has always prompted charecters. Single entities like Jordan, kobe, tmac, etc. Throughout the years, these guys have failed and the better overall team has won. Ok maybe there will be a MVP candidate on the team or a couple all-stars. You still need a great group of players around that play well together and can carry their team on some occations when needed. You also need the right mix of stars. T-Mac and yao? Can't just be anybody. As talented as some of these guys are, some still can't play the game. 28,6,6 and still can't play the game.

As far as teaching the game, we forgot the most important principle and that's heart, loyalty, and respect for the game. Everyone else in the world understands this. They already displayed it in soccer and other sporting events. Those people know and love the game almost as much as soccer now. We have created a monster.

Anyone that still is harping on getting franchise players need to open their eyes. USA basketball senior team is filled with NBA MVP candidates. Why can't they beat anybody? Somewhere along the line we forgot to teach our own people the game. We poisoned a generation with the dollar. Everyone wants to be Jordan. Nobody knows how to play the game. Even NBA role players today. They all were jordans untill they got to the NBA. Meaning, they just got the ball and went one on one. The rest of the players watched them. When players get to the NBA, its too much retooling and teaching going on. Like Nate. Nobody made that bastard learn how to play the point? Not picking on him cuz there are tons of players in the league that are in la la land but have all the talent in the world just no knowledge. We are failing our athletes. The NBA players don't box out, or take charges. There is no fight.

Watch the spurs. They are NOT a very talented team, but they are a well oiled machine. They have tons of no name talent. They have Duncan who is probably one of the best players ever but he can't win without the robots around him. Those guys team rebound. They box out. They cut. That cut off lanes to the basket. They cheat. They all can shoot it. Tony Parker is perfect for them cuz the team has so much confusion happening that Parker gets to do what he wants. When they need a guy to be that kobe, they have manu and pop likes to take manu off the bench. Domination. The spurs never step on the court with more talent that the other team, but they always wind up destroying people.

The NBA is in trouble. They need to start teaching the game. They need to have NBA talent evaluators watch highschool games and offer NBA programs to come into schools and teach the coaches and up coming players how to really play the game. They do it internationally righ? Why don't they do it here?

Its sad. My step son was in a bitty league when he was 10-11. The "coaches" had the kids just passing the ball to the kid that already could play. The ones that could, wanted to learn but they just chucked them to the side without really teaching the game to them. Its sad.

Something needs to happen. Basketball without borders needs to come back home and save the American basketball player.

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8/21/2007  10:15 AM
Great post EnySpree. Right on target. You'll be amazed(well you won't be, but many will be) at how many people make it to the college level without a single skill other than taking it to the hole. Then you will be even more amazed out how many times when a coach tries to teach them how to play they are told that they are stifling the player, stealing their joy and taking away from their games. You'll also be amazed that despite the fact that all the person knows how to do is jump high and take their man off the dribble, how many people think that the player is actually a great basketball player.

Why do I keep thinking about Steve Francis as I write these things.
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