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What Isiah moves do you like and what Isiah moves do you hate?
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BigC
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8/13/2007  10:53 PM
What trades, drafts, or signings do you like that Isiah has made?
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8/13/2007  11:35 PM
Eddy Curry trade = Really hate it
Steve Francis trade = Really hate it
Jamal Crawful trade = Hate it
Stephon Marbury trade = Hate it
Quentin Richardson trade = Love it
Zach Randolph trade = Love it
Malik Rose trade = Love it
Jalen Rose trade = Love it
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Drafting Channing Frye = Hate it
Drafting David Lee = Love it(although he wanted Taft but was convinded by Suhr)
Drafting Renaldo Balkman = Love it
Drafting Maurice Collins = Love it
Drafting Trevor Ariza = Love it
Drafting Wilson Chandler = Never played a NBA game; no answer
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Jerome James signing = Really, really, really, really, really hate it
Jared Jeffries signing = Hate it(although I like Jeffries, overpaid)
Jackie Butler signing = Small sample; no answer
Randolph Morris signing = Small sample; no answer
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8/13/2007  11:40 PM
I Like:

- Curry trade
- Jamal/JYD trade
- Q Rich trade
- Malik trade
- DerMarr Johnson signing
- Qyntel Woods signing
- Randolph Morris signing
- every draft pick except for Channing Frye


I Hate:

- Big Turd signing
- Jared Jefferies signing
- Marbury trade (at first, loved it, but... well, u know the rest)
- Tim Thomas trade
- Steve Francis trade (thought he actually had a plan to trade him or Marbury in the works at first, but obviously he didn't)
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8/13/2007  11:56 PM
I hate the moves he put on Anucha.
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8/14/2007  12:33 AM
Hate:
The move he made on Magic at half-court.

Love:
The move he will make out of town next season.
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8/14/2007  5:07 AM
The Good:

Balkman
Lee
Collins
And the newer few other potentials
They certainly had a great summer league season going 5-0

This, I think, is were someone like Malik Rose comes in handy. Stern discipline on the court among the young guys can be a good thing.



The Bad. We have to judge on what we already know:

Although Lee is a great player, his health is still in question. That's normal, except now, we find out that Collins had a secret surgery, that got leaked to the media. So what's going on there? Why are the young guys already having injury's?

Frye at the time was a promising pick up, but ended in a major flop (and yet another young'n with a major injury)

Because Isiah has chosen to surround himself with chicago people, he's also borught more controversy to the knicks. Examples being the Quintin Richardson tradgedy and then Curry being tied up, gagged and robbed at gun point in his own home. Main point, I sight this relationship as a mistake.

Not to mention the fact that the jury is still out as to whether Curry has finally matured (after 6 seasons now), is getting kind of old. This is one example of the move 'you don't make', which resulted in losing two first round draft picks two years in a row. So far, the bulls got the best of Isiah.

Just to dip into the Celtics as an example, how they already had a star in Pierce and then picked up Allen and the Garnett? You gotta ask yourself 'why couldn't Isiah have made moves like those'? Celtics are certainly in the drivers seat right now and the team to beat.

As good as Zach is, as a player, he brings heavy baggage and I'd like to remind you's that 'he is just one incident away from embarrasing Isaih once again. We already had one' unstable player in starbury, now we have two. And to think, Isiah was trying to get Artest in NY also.

Speaking of starbury, this is one deal I would have loved to take back and to think, we're still stuck with the dude for two more years.

I think it's still fair to ask 'are these young cats we picked up in the drafts really diamonds in the rough'? With the Frye bust and the major Lee injury, we are still unclear as to whether these guys are going to turn into something special. Balkman is the only one so far that fits the mode of legit and reliable. It's just interesting that there's controversy there too. We'll see.

I have to question the contracts. Why has the last two GM's been signing these long term, expensive contracts? Why has Isiah followed the fine tradition of Scott Layden? Is it just a matter of the way the system is now, or was there a choice of signing guys like starbury and francis to huge contracts vs. reasonable one's? I know Allan Houston didn't need to be signed to what he was signed to, but that's another story.

And speaking of Steve Francise, why did he sign him, when we already had a starbury. Another bad move, just like the one when.........

..........he put Larry Brown and starbury together. The worst move of them all. Just to be fair, I don't want to totally trash starbury. I like what he's been trying to do with the shoe thing and helping the kids out. That's cool and legit stars should follow suit to really make it worth it. But a Brown-starbury marriage was a disaster. And then having to fire Brown, after one season and having to pay him 28 million as a buyout? Disasterous! Going back to the 'some of the best deals you make are the one's you don't' make' scenario is an example. Not to mention, the 28 million wasted, that could have brought us a couple of legitimate defenders from somewhere in the league.

Signing Jeffries to five years was another example. He was a defensive bust!

Signing Jerome to five years, for millions was another horrible move. Where else can you make that kind of money, for high school level production?

I'd like to put Nate on the good list, but his attitude's been a problem. He's a hell of a lot better than that. Hopefully he'll get rid of it. Just wanted to add that one to.

And then there's the personal problems that Isiah himself brings to the team, with the unavoidable sexual harrassment suit filed against him, which he'll have to go to trial for and the accusation of having cheerleaders hitting on the refs thing? Could be internal **** going on just simply to try and get Isiah fired, but still, it's more baggage we didn't need.

And now the Randolph Morris violation. I suspect someone is not doing they're job to protect some of these young guys. If anything else, it's just more trouble we don't need.

I also want to shoulder some of the blame on Dolan, for letting this happen and even going as far as re-signing Isiah again! He's trying to salvage his image, by wanting this to work. But how much longer can he rip his image up, in the image of Isiah?

I'd like to add a third heading

What can Isiah do to remedy the situation?:

I just can't see that happening, based on what we know about Isiah moves. I'll bring the Kobe thing us again, but unless we can somehow land someone like him, this team is close to a .500 team at best for next season. And keep in mind, as observed last season, especially towards the end, we are 'one key player disaster' away from not even making .500. We are a 'keep your fingers crossed' team right now.

I can't say that I know of any other team that has had these many mistakes, with this kind of payroll. Look at Boston. They're payroll is suddenly up there, not too far from what we pay, but they made the most of it. And look at the bulls. 48 million? And they been beating the pants off us the last couple of years, took two 1st rounders from us and gave us a questionable Curry? Maybe our payroll is just too high. Maybe we need to work with a smaller payroll, to force a GM to make better deals, including the waiting game. Something Isiah hasn't been very good at either. That's my take on it.

How can we look outselves in the face and say 'we did it right', when we know it's been all wrong. I can live with the Morris violation, I can live with the Lee and Collins injury, I could probably even live with the Curry and Q unfortunate situations, but everything esle beyond that has just been way too much for me as a Knicks fan. Sorry to be so critical, but our situations been critical. For the last ten years.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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8/14/2007  5:23 AM
Like to add another blunder. Passing up Bynum for Frye? I liked Frye, but we needed a big man in the middle despirately. I would have made that deal in a heartbeat. Realize that this kid is still' only 19 years old, with two seasons under his belt already. He showed last year that his numbers are going to rise.





[Edited by - 4949 on 08-14-2007 05:26 AM]

[Edited by - 4949 on 08-14-2007 05:27 AM]
I'll never trust this' team again.
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8/14/2007  6:34 AM
Eddy Curry trade = I think we gave up more than we had to, but I like Curry.
Steve Francis trade = Pointless trade
Jamal Crawful trade = Not bad. We didn't give up much.
Stephon Marbury trade = Neutral
Quentin Richardson trade = Good trade
Zach Randolph trade = Very good trade
Malik Rose trade = It's not the trade I like - It's what Isaiah did with the late picks
Jalen Rose trade = See above
Trading for pick to get us D Nichols = Very good move
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Drafting Channing Frye = Bad pick
Drafting David Lee = Great pick
Drafting Renaldo Balkman = Very good pick
Drafting Maurice Collins = Very good pick
Drafting Trevor Ariza = Very good pick
Drafting Wilson Chandler = Looks good so far
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Jerome James signing = Bad signing
Jared Jeffries signing = Bad signing
Jackie Butler signing = Ok
Randolph Morris signing = Very good move - nothing to lose
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8/14/2007  1:54 PM
Drafting A-/B+
Ariza: Great Pick
Lee: Great Pick
Balkman: good, but (Williams, Lowry, Rondo we needed a point)
Collins: Solid
Chandler: A little to high
Nate: Terrible
Channing: Terrible
Collins: Good pickup


Trades
C-
Nazar & TT: Didn't like Messing with team chemistry, ended up being a bad move
Mo Taylor: Disgraceful
Rose: Didn't need to make a deal in order to get picks that late
Francis: Worst trade that year
J. Rose: Good move to bring in another expiring
Q & Nate: To risky Kurt would have been an expiring valuable contract midseason for a contender and it would have open up two roster spots
Crawford & JYD: Again two much when you factor in you take on an expiring and a player no one offered money too, also factor in we had to give baker a deal, thats an extra 11 million in salary to bring in crawford so essentialy it's 17million for jamal
Curry: Didn't warrant giving up two lottery selection (Brandon Roye and Noah) would do more for this team than Curry, especially with Zach in the fold
Zach: Talent standpoint it's a home run, but you can't be happy about adding 17 and 18 million in payroll for a player that isn't a franchise tag, but his best move to date


Mid Level
F
JJ1: worst of the offseason
JJ2: worst of the offseason
Baker: not great

Coaching: F
Wilkens: Undermined the coach by firing his assistant and traded away pieces that were messing against the coaches wishes
Chaney: Better coach than isiah ever was but disrespected him numerous times and handled the situation like a classesless snake
Brown: Worst coaching disaster in the last 15 years in the league

Overall: C-/C
No Franchise player, no lottery selection in two years, redudant talent, weak taking care of the ball, distributing it and one of the worst defensive teams in the nba
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8/14/2007  2:42 PM
Marbury............. any other "star" at that time would have the knicks in wayyyyyyyy better shape.
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8/14/2007  3:17 PM
The only trade I liked (at the time), were:


Doleac and KVH for Nazr and TT.

And the Curry trade (b/c I was drinking the kool-aid)



I still actually like the Nazr trade, b/c while Van Horn was gelling with the team, we did get back MUCH better talent (let's not forget he retired like 2 years ago, and Doleac is a 3rd string backup).



Pretty much every other trade he's done has had some drawback;Actually to think about it, the QRich trade wasn't bad. Another salary take-back, but still, not horrible.


As far as drafts, only the David Lee pick I truly like looking back on it.




Every other pick has been outside of the lottery so it doesn't really matter.





[Edited by - bobs3304 on 08-14-2007 3:20 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/14/2007  3:22 PM
What you guys have to realize is that Isiah can't be blamed anymore.


Any other team (besides maybe Minnesota), and he would be fired after the Larry Brown fiasco. As the GM, you're responsible for those you hire, not to mention it was a big risk knowing what kind of deal you made with Paxson (regarding draft picks).


ANY other team, and he would be gone after that season (along with Brown). But Dolan kept him, and scapegoated Larry.


From 2006 until --- whenever, only Dolan can be blamed for what goes wrong.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/14/2007  3:28 PM
You know what mcchale is terrible but I would rather have

Al Jefferson than Curry
Randy Foye than Crawford, Nate and Marbury

Every single team in the nba has at least one better player than the knicks best player
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8/14/2007  4:13 PM
Isiah is a garbage worker.
Anything that league is throwing away IT is picking up.
Yehhh. Somebody needs to do this. But why all to Knicks...
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8/14/2007  6:27 PM
The good
Curry trade= I like Curry but he should have lotto protected the pick.
Drafting Lee
Drafting Balk (even tough I wanted Williams and wished he could have traded down)
Chandler= I think he's going to be a player.
Jackie Butler= Good find
Mardy Collins= Nie combo guard off the bench
Zach= Love the talent but how does he fit?
Nichols= He's a legit first round talent. Good pick up

The bad
Marbury= liked the trade at first because it gave this dead franchise some life. Dolans mandate to make the playoffs and make this franchise relevant again, makes this a trade that Isiah had to make. The buzz was back in the garden when Marb first arrived. Obviously, it hasn't turned out like any of us imagined.

Craw= didn't give up much. But we still probably need another 2 guard.
Frye= this wasn't a typical Isiah pick. Frye was too safe of a pick.

Q/Nate= Not a big Q fan. It was already known that Q had back issues. Never would have touched him. I was calling for Isiah to take Monta Ellis with this pick. Was a caught off guard when he picked Nate

Malik Rose= Did we really have to take on Rose to get a back of the first round pick?

The ugly

JJ1
JJ2
Francis= Brown really pushed for this.
Ariza= hated to see him go.
Larry Brown= Never wanted to hire him in the first place.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 14-08-2007 6:29 PM]
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