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LongIslandKnicksFan
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8/11/2007  11:14 PM
...if he came to the Knicks and played for FREE? This would be something that would never happen, but what would be your thoughts if he did it for free and said that he loves New York and wants to give back to the fans... Of course, this wouldn't happen because he can probably make a million or two somewhere else...
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8/11/2007  11:18 PM
What is a million or two for the Knicks?
It's like for free anyway
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8/12/2007  7:11 AM
Forgive him for what? He played hard and well for this club.
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8/12/2007  7:15 AM
yeah forgive him for what? he made one of the biggest shot in knicks playoff history. He's also he reason why the knicks made it to the NBA finals in '99 when he clearly took over game 6 vs Indiana at MSG.

I hope you remember that?
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8/12/2007  1:33 PM

Forgive him for signing two contracts that was offered to him?

Why would anyone hold that against him? The owner approves the contracts, the president does the financials and the GM identifies the players.
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8/12/2007  1:44 PM
Posted by Nalod:


Forgive him for signing two contracts that was offered to him?

Why would anyone hold that against him? The owner approves the contracts, the president does the financials and the GM identifies the players.
No one should do anything for free, especially when they work for someone like Dolan. Money should never be a reason to like or dislike a player...
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8/12/2007  1:53 PM
The question should be if you forgive Dolan. Also why should people get mad that Allan made money. I don't see Cavs fans being mad at Shawn Kemp or Net fans being mad at Jayson Williams for his almost 100 million dollar deal. Let's also not forget that Kmart got paid about 90 mil to drive around in a wheelchair and get only 7 rebounds a game.

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8/12/2007  2:16 PM
Posted by Ira:

Forgive him for what? He played hard and well for this club.

I agree. Forgive him for accepting an overpaid offer? Forgive for shooting 50% as a jump shooter? Forgive him for taking this team to the NBA Finals? Even when Allan was having trouble, he had the right attitude. This thread is busted.
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8/12/2007  2:28 PM
Forgive him for being a one-dimensional player most of his career. From what I remember with Allan is that he only had a sweet J and heart. The problem was he was always hurt. I know it's not his fault, but the Knicks overpaid him. When Allan left, it gave me a negative impression because of the money involved and how he took it, but I guess in the business you have to take whatever you can get. Someone has to tell that to Sprewell.
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8/12/2007  3:00 PM
Most of my beef with Houston had to do with him not averaging 23pts for his career. I thought the dude was too passive. He had marb-itis, meaning he didn't want the ball when it counted. Its all good though. Right now the dude can be dell curry. He should be able to post up a little and just shoot the lights out. If he can lock himself into that type of role he can extend his career.
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8/12/2007  3:19 PM
Give me a break already, the guy made his knee worse by carrying the Knicks in the early part of 03 for dumbass Don Chaney. It's not his fault, how about the supporting cast he had?
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8/12/2007  3:53 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Most of my beef with Houston had to do with him not averaging 23pts for his career. I thought the dude was too passive. He had marb-itis, meaning he didn't want the ball when it counted. Its all good though. Right now the dude can be dell curry. He should be able to post up a little and just shoot the lights out. If he can lock himself into that type of role he can extend his career.

I think you're right for maybe the first half of his career, but for his last few seasons as a Knick, he started to really turn it on as a 4th quarter player.

Besides maybe Kobe, Vince Carter, LeBron, Iverson Wade and you get the point, I'd trust Allan to take a big shot as much as anybody.
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8/12/2007  4:04 PM
Skill wise I think the dude was awesome. He showed it once and that was the miricle run by the knicks in 99. Houston was playing absolute awesome basketball. Where did that go? That's what my hatred comes from. Layden did a horrible job putting pieces around him. His knees is just his misfortune. He has bad knees. Can't blame anything but genetics.

His clutch play toward the end of his knick career was on losing teams. He had to shoot cuz the rest of the club sucked. He found out he could do it but there was no point then.
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8/12/2007  5:58 PM
^agreed. We thought 1999 was a glimpse into the future but instead it turned into the best there was from him. He was too one dimensional.
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8/12/2007  7:27 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Skill wise I think the dude was awesome. He showed it once and that was the miricle run by the knicks in 99. Houston was playing absolute awesome basketball. Where did that go? That's what my hatred comes from. Layden did a horrible job putting pieces around him. His knees is just his misfortune. He has bad knees. Can't blame anything but genetics.

His clutch play toward the end of his knick career was on losing teams. He had to shoot cuz the rest of the club sucked. He found out he could do it but there was no point then.

If there is one question that I would have to know the answer to during Allan's career here, it would be why was his game so dramatically different from the 99 season to the 2000 season. Was it him or was it coaching? To me it seemed Allan was used in a much different capacity from one year to the next. I don't see how he can take all of the blame. Some blame definitely, but not all of it.
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8/12/2007  7:56 PM
Posted by joec32033:

If there is one question that I would have to know the answer to during Allan's career here, it would be why was his game so dramatically different from the 99 season to the 2000 season. Was it him or was it coaching? To me it seemed Allan was used in a much different capacity from one year to the next. I don't see how he can take all of the blame. Some blame definitely, but not all of it.
Blame everyone else and then blame the player last? There is no chance he played so well because it was his contract year? I know he is one of your favorite players but come on, everyone know athletes play harder in their contract year.
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8/12/2007  8:02 PM
LIKnicksFan - the more accurate question is do you forgive Dolan and Checketts for offering Houston the big contract?

Do you really think Houston should have turned it down?

Then you feel it necessary to label Houston as always hurt and one-dimensional?

C'mon.
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8/12/2007  8:04 PM
if allan houston comes back and plays for another team, when he's introduced at the garden, he will get booed and it will be quite loud.

the layden era is represented by one and only one thing - h20 and his contract.
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8/12/2007  8:11 PM
djsu - imagine the reception for Reggie Miller as a Boston Celtic

Talking about the Layden era is so last month. Besides, it makes my head hurt.

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8/12/2007  8:56 PM
Posted by misterearl:

djsu - imagine the reception for Reggie Miller as a Boston Celtic

Talking about the Layden era is so last month. Besides, it makes my head hurt.

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