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djsunyc
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8/8/2007  10:08 AM
Blatche update
Washington Post: Insider
Posted at 3:30 PM ET, 08/ 6/2007

You may have seen the story out of Syracuse in which Andray Blatche yesterday told a TV station that he was not arrested and charged with solicitation in DC early last Thursday morning. Problem is, I'm looking at a police report and court documents right now which outline that Andray Blatche and a man name Gregory Palmer were indeed arrested and charged with solicitation on the morning in question.

Not sure why Andray would deny the charges when they are documented, filed and on the record. According to the document titled: "United States vs. Andray Blatche, the event occured on 8/2/07 at approximately 12:11 at 10 Thomas Circle NW in Washington DC. Blatche and Palmer were both accused of solicting an undercover officer working in the prostitution unit.

From the document, here is how it went down: Blatche and Palmer were in a vehicle when they pulled up at Thomas Circle.

Defendant 1 (identified by police as Blatche) : "Hey, what's up with you?"
Undercover cop: "You tell me."
AB: I'm trying to see what you're doing."
UC: "Do you want (Blank) or (Blank)?"
AB: "Well, I want both."
UC: "And what about you?"
D-2 (identified as Palmer) : "I want the same."
UC: "I charge $80 but I do two at the same time."
AB: "Yeah, I'm good with it."
UC to Palmer: "And what about you?"
GP: "Yeah, $80 is good."
UC: Aight, you want to pull right?"
AB: "Naw."
UC: "I have a room right here."
AB: "Uh, ok?"

At this point, according to the document, the cop gave a pre-arranged signal to other officers and Blatche and Palmer were arrested and later charged. A hearing for Aug. 31 has been set. Now, I'm not trying to pile on Andray but I did feel that it was important to show that myself and other reporters who worked on this story did our job correctly.
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8/8/2007  11:04 AM
Sounds like entrapment. The undercover was the first to bring up the proposition of (blank) and then stated that (blank) with her will cost $80. Vice cops/undercover cops will never understand that entrapment can be used as a defense as long as the undercover cop initiates the criminal activity.
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8/8/2007  11:14 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Sounds like entrapment. The undercover was the first to bring up the proposition of (blank) and then stated that (blank) with her will cost $80. Vice cops/undercover cops will never understand that entrapment can be used as a defense as long as the undercover cop initiates the criminal activity.

NOt only does it sound like entrapment, it sounds like a gross waste of police power. Aren't drugs being sold in DC? Isnt there a woman or child being abused somewhere? Isnt someone being robbed? Whats the murder rate in DC right now? Like, some 20 years tried to get their dicks sucked, great job Columbo!! Way to have an impact on society.

They should legalize prostitution and regulate it, or at least decriminalize it in some way.
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8/8/2007  11:26 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Like, some 20 years tried to get their dicks sucked, great job Columbo!!

Sleep well Washington, those boys won't be getting their weenies wet tonight.

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8/8/2007  12:35 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Vice cops/undercover cops will never understand that entrapment can be used as a defense as long as the undercover cop initiates the criminal activity.

Can be used as a defense, maybe, but not one that would likely get Andray off the hook. Entrapment occurs when a police officer entices another party to break a law through deception. If the undercover officer had picked up Andray at a bar, brought him back to her place only to reveal then that the night was going to cost him, that would be classic entrapment. Dude thought he was going to get some action, so was enticed to give up some cash for it.

In this case, there was no deception. I don't know about you, but usually people don't pull up to scantily clad women hanging out on street corners just to chat. And when the undercover officer made clear that there would be a financial condition to their spending the evening with her from the get-go, they could have said no and driven away. By any reasonable definition, Andray pulled up to the officer to solicit her for that bj.

Now, we can argue the less black and white issue of whether it is the best use of police resources to enforce a law against a crime that some would argue is victimless. I could understand a position that says, say, that enforcing prostitution laws is only treating a symptom of criminal society, not addressing its root causes.

But that wasn't entrapment.
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8/8/2007  12:38 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Sounds like entrapment. The undercover was the first to bring up the proposition of (blank) and then stated that (blank) with her will cost $80. Vice cops/undercover cops will never understand that entrapment can be used as a defense as long as the undercover cop initiates the criminal activity.

NOt only does it sound like entrapment, it sounds like a gross waste of police power. Aren't drugs being sold in DC? Isnt there a woman or child being abused somewhere? Isnt someone being robbed? Whats the murder rate in DC right now? Like, some 20 years tried to get their dicks sucked, great job Columbo!! Way to have an impact on society.

They should legalize prostitution and regulate it, or at least decriminalize it in some way.

Just do it like Denmark. Legalize weed and prostitution, watch levels of idiocy go down...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/8/2007  12:39 PM
Hey Killa, wtf is with that quote??


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/8/2007  12:59 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Sounds like entrapment. The undercover was the first to bring up the proposition of (blank) and then stated that (blank) with her will cost $80. Vice cops/undercover cops will never understand that entrapment can be used as a defense as long as the undercover cop initiates the criminal activity.

NOt only does it sound like entrapment, it sounds like a gross waste of police power. Aren't drugs being sold in DC? Isnt there a woman or child being abused somewhere? Isnt someone being robbed? Whats the murder rate in DC right now? Like, some 20 years tried to get their dicks sucked, great job Columbo!! Way to have an impact on society.

They should legalize prostitution and regulate it, or at least decriminalize it in some way.

Just do it like Denmark. Legalize weed and prostitution, watch levels of idiocy go down...

holland too.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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8/8/2007  1:04 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Vice cops/undercover cops will never understand that entrapment can be used as a defense as long as the undercover cop initiates the criminal activity.

Can be used as a defense, maybe, but not one that would likely get Andray off the hook. Entrapment occurs when a police officer entices another party to break a law through deception. If the undercover officer had picked up Andray at a bar, brought him back to her place only to reveal then that the night was going to cost him, that would be classic entrapment. Dude thought he was going to get some action, so was enticed to give up some cash for it.

In this case, there was no deception. I don't know about you, but usually people don't pull up to scantily clad women hanging out on street corners just to chat. And when the undercover officer made clear that there would be a financial condition to their spending the evening with her from the get-go, they could have said no and driven away. By any reasonable definition, Andray pulled up to the officer to solicit her for that bj.

Now, we can argue the less black and white issue of whether it is the best use of police resources to enforce a law against a crime that some would argue is victimless. I could understand a position that says, say, that enforcing prostitution laws is only treating a symptom of criminal society, not addressing its root causes.

But that wasn't entrapment.

It is entrapment but militia have argue such tactics are necessary. It would not be entrapment say if Andray would have gone up to a scantily woman and said something like "hey how much!" Once the undercover invites the person to commit a criminal activity before the topic comes up it is entrapment. Going up to a scantily clad woman and asking "what's up with you?" is not illegal. The same if an undercover would walk up and down the street soliciting drugs to people. The fact that someone may purchase the drugs is illegal but the methods which lead to encounter is entrapment.
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8/8/2007  1:05 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Sounds like entrapment. The undercover was the first to bring up the proposition of (blank) and then stated that (blank) with her will cost $80. Vice cops/undercover cops will never understand that entrapment can be used as a defense as long as the undercover cop initiates the criminal activity.

NOt only does it sound like entrapment, it sounds like a gross waste of police power. Aren't drugs being sold in DC? Isnt there a woman or child being abused somewhere? Isnt someone being robbed? Whats the murder rate in DC right now? Like, some 20 years tried to get their dicks sucked, great job Columbo!! Way to have an impact on society.

They should legalize prostitution and regulate it, or at least decriminalize it in some way.

Just do it like Denmark. Legalize weed and prostitution, watch levels of idiocy go down...

holland too.

my apartment in queens too...
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8/8/2007  1:09 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Vice cops/undercover cops will never understand that entrapment can be used as a defense as long as the undercover cop initiates the criminal activity.

Can be used as a defense, maybe, but not one that would likely get Andray off the hook. Entrapment occurs when a police officer entices another party to break a law through deception. If the undercover officer had picked up Andray at a bar, brought him back to her place only to reveal then that the night was going to cost him, that would be classic entrapment. Dude thought he was going to get some action, so was enticed to give up some cash for it.

In this case, there was no deception. I don't know about you, but usually people don't pull up to scantily clad women hanging out on street corners just to chat. And when the undercover officer made clear that there would be a financial condition to their spending the evening with her from the get-go, they could have said no and driven away. By any reasonable definition, Andray pulled up to the officer to solicit her for that bj.

Now, we can argue the less black and white issue of whether it is the best use of police resources to enforce a law against a crime that some would argue is victimless. I could understand a position that says, say, that enforcing prostitution laws is only treating a symptom of criminal society, not addressing its root causes.

But that wasn't entrapment.

It is entrapment but militia have argue such tactics are necessary. It would not be entrapment say if Andray would have gone up to a scantily woman and said something like "hey how much!" Once the undercover invites the person to commit a criminal activity before the topic comes up it is entrapment. Going up to a scantily clad woman and asking "what's up with you?" is not illegal. The same if an undercover would walk up and down the street soliciting drugs to people. The fact that someone may purchase the drugs is illegal but the methods which lead to encounter is entrapment.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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8/8/2007  1:16 PM
Legal definition of entrapment: http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm

ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.

On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.

In slightly different words: Even though someone may have [sold drugs], as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:

- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.

- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.

- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.

On the issue of entrapment the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entrapped by government agents.
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8/8/2007  1:36 PM
That's correct Andrew. That's why it harder to successfully prosecute "johns" when the undercover initiates the solicitation. If the police can provide evidence that Blatche was patrolling for hookers then that is different. He intended to commit a crime and was provided an opportunity. Most counties try to get the "john" to plea rather than go to trial because of this issue.
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8/8/2007  2:03 PM
Andray Blatche likely will avoid jail if he's convicted of solicitation, but the third-year forward's future with the Washington Wizards remains up in the air, according to team and league sources.

He sounds perfect. Isiah: Do your stuff.
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8/8/2007  2:09 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
If the police can provide evidence that Blatche was patrolling for hookers then that is different.

So in your mind the fact that he pulled up in his car to a woman hanging out on the street corner and agreed to pay money for sex is not evidence that he was patrolling for hookers?

That would be hard to argue.

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8/9/2007  10:14 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

Hey Killa, wtf is with that quote??



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8/9/2007  11:55 AM

You'd think that getting shot riding the streets would change his life a bit.
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