Posted by Bonn1997:

A 2-HR inning for A-Rod!!!!

Hooray Drugs!

Seriously... how do you go from damning to praising in the space of two posts?

speaking of drugs..."WE GOT WEED" bleacher creature chant in full effect tonight.

sat in section 37 with jimimou and enyspree...fun inning, fun game, and the bleacher creatures are awesome.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-06-2007 09:18 AM]

Posted by kam77:

Posted by Bonn1997:

A 2-HR inning for A-Rod!!!!

Hooray Drugs!

Seriously... how do you go from damning to praising in the space of two posts?

I didn't damn him. I wasn't singling him out. I was referring to all baseball players and used him as an example because people think they know more than they do about him and Jeter. I like A-Rod a lot. I was just sticking to the Yankees b/c it's a Yankees thread. But I'll throw in other players who are given the benefit of the doubt too like Ichiro, Magglio, and Carl Crawford, just to name a few off the top of my head.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-06-2007 07:40 AM]

He didn't say that. He said no athlete, including them, should get the benefit of the doubt.

With that said, there's even less of a shot in hell than ARod and Jeter, that Ichiro takes Steroids.

Posted by Allanfan20:

He didn't say that. He said no athlete, including them, should get the benefit of the doubt.

With that said, there's even less of a shot in hell than ARod and Jeter, that Ichiro takes Steroids.

roids aren't only taken to bulk up... they also help to recover from injuries faster as well... so you can't just look at the body type of any player & automatically disclude them from any suspicion of having taken steroids, so in that respect Bonn is absolutely right... me personally, at this point w/so many players having been caught or been suspected of taking them at 1 point or another, i really don't care if they do it or not... it's their bodies they're messing with by using that stuff to begin with... it's them that will have to pay the price later on in life if they continue to abuse it... any Yankee fan that cheers for Giambi when he hits a HR & yet says they're opposed to steroid use in baseball is a big hypocrite as far as i'm concerned... same goes for any Met fan that cheers for admitted users like Guillermo Mota, or any number of other baseball fans who cheer for guys who can be suspicious of having used in the past like Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Nomar Garciaparra, Luis Gonzalez, Pudge Rodriguez, Miguel Tejada, Brett Boone, Esteban Loiaza, etc.

FOUR game lead in the wild card. What a turn around this year!

Posted by kam77:

Who cares about the ****ing wild card.

[Edited by - kam77 on 09-09-2007 8:33 PM]

The 1997 Florida Marlins
The 2002 Anaheim Angels
The 2004 Boston Red Sox

All of whom won the World Series after making the playoffs as the Wild Card.

You can throw in the 2000 Mets, 2002 SF Giants, 2005 Houston Astros and 2006 Detroit Tigers who all won their Leagues Pennants as the Wild Card winner.

Just get to the playoffs.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Isles (and others), what do you think the Yankees' record would be right now without A-Rod?

I'm not sure they'd even be above .500. His season is truly amazing!

I wouldn't go that far. I'd say they'd be around 10 games over .500 without him. He's the difference between having a comfortable lead and fighting to the end to get into the playoffs.

They would still have an above average offense without him. That's how good their offense is. It's scary. But he makes it easily the best offense in baseball.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Isles (and others), what do you think the Yankees' record would be right now without A-Rod?

I'm not sure they'd even be above .500. His season is truly amazing!

I wouldn't go that far. I'd say they'd be around 10 games over .500 without him. He's the difference between having a comfortable lead and fighting to the end to get into the playoffs.

They would still have an above average offense without him. That's how good their offense is. It's scary. But he makes it easily the best offense in baseball.

On offense, they look like a bunch of inconsistent, overpaid players without A-Rod. And the pitching is really only middle of the pack (4.52 ERA). They're 19 games over .500. You're saying A-Rod made a difference in only 4 or 5 games. I think it's closer to ten games.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-09-2007 10:23 PM]

They've scored 844 runs this year. Say A-Rod is worth 100 runs more than whoever would have played 3rd, that's generous but takes into account his effect on the lineup. With 744 runs scored, that would place them 3rd in the AL. That's more than enough offense to still be within striking distance of the wild card.

I don't think you take away A-Rod and suddenly the Yankees are no better than Toronto as a .500 team.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Isles (and others), what do you think the Yankees' record would be right now without A-Rod?

I'm not sure they'd even be above .500. His season is truly amazing!

I wouldn't go that far. I'd say they'd be around 10 games over .500 without him. He's the difference between having a comfortable lead and fighting to the end to get into the playoffs.

They would still have an above average offense without him. That's how good their offense is. It's scary. But he makes it easily the best offense in baseball.

On offense, they look like a bunch of inconsistent, overpaid players without A-Rod. And the pitching is really only middle of the pack (4.52 ERA). They're 19 games over .500. You're saying A-Rod made a difference in only 4 or 5 games. I think it's closer to ten games.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-09-2007 10:23 PM]

They've scored 844 runs this year. Say A-Rod is worth 100 runs more than whoever would have played 3rd, that's generous but takes into account his effect on the lineup. With 744 runs scored, that would place them 3rd in the AL. That's more than enough offense to still be within striking distance of the wild card.

I don't think you take away A-Rod and suddenly the Yankees are no better than Toronto as a .500 team.

They'd 3rd in hitting and 8th in pitching. Maybe they'd be closer to 7 games over .500.

Cleveland beat Anaheim again tonight. I'd love to see the Indians finish with a better record than the Angels. Let the Red Sox fly cross country to play the Angels in the first rd. I'd rather take my chances with Cleveland.

The Indians are just a game behind the Angels now.