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jaydh
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8/30/2007  5:19 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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No Met fan should be talking about easy schedules. The Mets are in a very weak league.

Outside of Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, Angels and Seattle, who else is tough in that so superior of a league? Both leagues have an equal number of good and bad teams. Just because the AL is all-offense doesn't make it better.

Outside of the top five teams? You can't be serious. That's like saying, outside of Dallas, San Antoni, Houston, Phoenix, and Utah, who is so good in the west compared to the east of the NBA? Dude FIVE superior teams in one conference are more than enough to make the leagues totally imbalanced.

There are 5 comparable teams in the NL as well, but i dont expect you to know that.
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8/30/2007  5:20 PM
Posted by jaydh:
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yay we've come full circle back to my original post to Bonn, Yankees aren't leading the division nor or they wildcard team. Btw, it CAN happen in baseball where one of the teams doesn't play 162 games.

If you wanna be trivial, then at the moment of this post, the Yankees ARE the wild card team. Bottom line is, the Yankees have a much better remaining schedule than Seattle and have a better team than Seattle.

how was it being trivial? it was the truth.

You're making a big deal (several posts) about a .001 difference in winning percentages and you actually need me to clarify how you were being trivial?!?!
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8/30/2007  5:20 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
No Met fan should be talking about easy schedules. The Mets are in a very weak league.

Outside of Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, Angels and Seattle, who else is tough in that so superior of a league? Both leagues have an equal number of good and bad teams. Just because the AL is all-offense doesn't make it better.

Outside of the top five teams? You can't be serious. That's like saying, outside of Dallas, San Antoni, Houston, Phoenix, and Utah, who is so good in the west compared to the east of the NBA? Dude FIVE superior teams in one conference are more than enough to make the leagues totally imbalanced.

There are 5 comparable teams in the NL as well, but i dont expect you to know that.

Please list the six comparable teams (we're counting the Yankees as Isles indicated)
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8/30/2007  5:21 PM
Let's just see both teams finish strong and get to the Playoffs. I'm just glad the Yanks swept Boston. I was hoping for that and to see them get that MUCH needed sweep is great. Now they have to just take care of business the rest of the way.
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8/30/2007  5:22 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
No Met fan should be talking about easy schedules. The Mets are in a very weak league.

Outside of Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, Angels and Seattle, who else is tough in that so superior of a league? Both leagues have an equal number of good and bad teams. Just because the AL is all-offense doesn't make it better.

Outside of the top five teams? You can't be serious. That's like saying, outside of Dallas, San Antoni, Houston, Phoenix, and Utah, who is so good in the west compared to the east of the NBA? Dude FIVE superior teams in one conference are more than enough to make the leagues totally imbalanced.

There are 5 comparable teams in the NL as well, but i dont expect you to know that.

Please list the six comparable teams (we're counting the Yankees as Isles indicated)

Forget that. Here's a much simpler question: What have the two leagues' records in interleague play been the last few years? (I actually don't know the answer off hand but I'd be surprised if the NL won close to half the games.)
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8/30/2007  5:23 PM
Bonn, you are tiresome. No matter who i list you are going to deny it, so whats the point? Go look for yourself. And btw, teams in the NL are more pitching dominant which is what makes several of them comparable.
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8/30/2007  5:23 PM
Posted by jaydh:
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When you play many bad teams consecutively it does wonders for your team.

sure, same but the opposite when you play tougher teams. That's why they play the whole season to figure out division and wild card titles.

His argument doesn't even work anyway. Post all-star break, the Yankees are 11-6 against the elite teams of the AL (those at least ten games over .500). They've been beating up on great teams, awful teams, and everything in between.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-30-2007 5:06 PM]

4 vs Tampa, 4 vs Toronto, 4 vs Tampa, 4 vs KC, 4 vs Baltimore, 3 vs CWS, 3 vs KC, 3 vs Toronto.... yea, thats not easy or anything.

Are you going to just ignore the 3 games in Boston and the 3 against Seattle the way you've completely ignored the brutal schedule filled with division leaders that the Yankees have finished August with?
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8/30/2007  5:24 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Forget that. Here's a much simpler question: What have the two leagues' records in interleague play been the last few years? (I actually don't know the answer off hand but I'd be surprised if the NL won close to half the games.)

Is the AL having a better record in interleague play going to mean anything? Rockies swept the yankees, are they better?

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8/30/2007  5:25 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
No Met fan should be talking about easy schedules. The Mets are in a very weak league.

Outside of Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, Angels and Seattle, who else is tough in that so superior of a league? Both leagues have an equal number of good and bad teams. Just because the AL is all-offense doesn't make it better.

Including the Yankees, that makes 6 AL teams that are better than ANY NL team.

Thats funny, I'll give you Boston and LA but thats about it.

Detroit is far better than any NL team. So are the Yankees.

Seattle and Cleveland are right up there with any NL team and right now are playing better than any "Top" NL team.
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8/30/2007  5:27 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Are you going to just ignore the 3 games in Boston and the 3 against Seattle the way you've completely ignored the brutal schedule filled with division leaders that the Yankees have finished August with?

At least you aren't denying playing 8 consecutive series against pathetic teams, something no other playoff team has had the luxury of doing. And again, the yankees are rolling against these tougher teams because of that(although an arugment can be made about how Detroit was a mess when the yanks first played them and won).
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8/30/2007  5:32 PM
Posted by jaydh:

Bonn, you are tiresome. No matter who i list you are going to deny it, so whats the point? Go look for yourself. And btw, teams in the NL are more pitching dominant which is what makes several of them comparable.

Ok let's look.

The NL Central is immediately dismissed. Worst division in baseball by far.

In the NL West, there's the Arizona, a nice young team but would rank around 10-12 amongst all teams. Then you have the Padres, a very good team and comparable to Cleveland and Seattle.

In the NL East there's the Phillies who aren't anywhere near as good as those AL teams with ZERO pitching and no bullpen. Then the Mets who aren't very good right now either. Their offense is weak and their pitching is weak with not a single ace and a mediocre bullpen.

The AL is so far superior its just like the NBA Western Conference has completely overshadowed the East the last few years.
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8/30/2007  5:33 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Detroit is far better than any NL team. So are the Yankees.

Seattle and Cleveland are right up there with any NL team and right now are playing better than any "Top" NL team.

Yea Detroit is far better, but not Cleveland who leads them by 4 games. And Seattle is right up there, but the Yanks are better than them while they are practically tied in the standings(they just finally caught them but are so much better...LOL). See, it makes no sense to argue with that flawed logic.
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8/30/2007  5:35 PM
Posted by islesfan:
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Bonn, you are tiresome. No matter who i list you are going to deny it, so whats the point? Go look for yourself. And btw, teams in the NL are more pitching dominant which is what makes several of them comparable.

Ok let's look.

The NL Central is immediately dismissed. Worst division in baseball by far.

In the NL West, there's the Arizona, a nice young team but would rank around 10-12 amongst all teams. Then you have the Padres, a very good team and comparable to Cleveland and Seattle.

In the NL East there's the Phillies who aren't anywhere near as good as those AL teams with ZERO pitching and no bullpen. Then the Mets who aren't very good right now either. Their offense is weak and their pitching is weak with not a single ace and a mediocre bullpen.

The AL is so far superior its just like the NBA Western Conference has completely overshadowed the East the last few years.

Offense bias anyone? Yea the best pitching teams in the league suck but the best offensive teams rock! what wins championships again? oh yea, homeruns...LOL
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8/30/2007  5:37 PM
Posted by jaydh:
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Detroit is far better than any NL team. So are the Yankees.

Seattle and Cleveland are right up there with any NL team and right now are playing better than any "Top" NL team.

Yea Detroit is far better, but not Cleveland who leads them by 4 games. And Seattle is right up there, but the Yanks are better than them while they are practically tied in the standings(they just finally caught them but are so much better...LOL). See, it makes no sense to argue with that flawed logic.

Sigh, ok. We'll go by winning pct.

The top 5 winning percentages in baseball belong to AL teams.

And Detroit is all of 2 games back from the top NL team.

Have a nice day.
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8/30/2007  5:50 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Forget that. Here's a much simpler question: What have the two leagues' records in interleague play been the last few years? (I actually don't know the answer off hand but I'd be surprised if the NL won close to half the games.)

Is the AL having a better record in interleague play going to mean anything? Rockies swept the yankees, are they better?

No, that's why you need a large sample size of games. One series between two teams won't determine who's better. DOZENS of interleague series would be a much more valid sample.
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8/30/2007  5:51 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by jaydh:
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Detroit is far better than any NL team. So are the Yankees.

Seattle and Cleveland are right up there with any NL team and right now are playing better than any "Top" NL team.

Yea Detroit is far better, but not Cleveland who leads them by 4 games. And Seattle is right up there, but the Yanks are better than them while they are practically tied in the standings(they just finally caught them but are so much better...LOL). See, it makes no sense to argue with that flawed logic.

Sigh, ok. We'll go by winning pct.

The top 5 winning percentages in baseball belong to AL teams.

And Detroit is all of 2 games back from the top NL team.

Have a nice day.

Yeah but outside of those five teams, who's better in the AL than the top NL teams? There, how you like that, Mr. tough guy?!
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8/30/2007  5:55 PM
How about going by interleague records?

There are only 3 NL teams worth even mentioning. The Mets, Padres and DBacks.

Mets 8-7
DBacks 8-7
Padres 6-9

Top 6 AL teams:

Red Sox 12-6
Angels 14-4
Yankees 10-8 (Most of those games were played when they were struggling)
Seattle 9-9
Cleveland 9-9
Tigers 14-4

You were saying something about level of competition doing wonders for your team?

Any way you slice it, the NL is a pathetically weak League with not a single NL team worth comparing to the AL elite.
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8/30/2007  5:59 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by jaydh:
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Detroit is far better than any NL team. So are the Yankees.

Seattle and Cleveland are right up there with any NL team and right now are playing better than any "Top" NL team.

Yea Detroit is far better, but not Cleveland who leads them by 4 games. And Seattle is right up there, but the Yanks are better than them while they are practically tied in the standings(they just finally caught them but are so much better...LOL). See, it makes no sense to argue with that flawed logic.

Sigh, ok. We'll go by winning pct.

The top 5 winning percentages in baseball belong to AL teams.

And Detroit is all of 2 games back from the top NL team.

Have a nice day.

Yeah but outside of those five teams, who's better in the AL than the top NL teams? There, how you like that, Mr. tough guy?!

Put Minnesota, Detroit or Toronto in the NL and they're all 10-15 games over .500 with Detroit 20+ over. That's how weak the NL is.
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8/30/2007  8:49 PM
Posted by jaydh:
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Posted by jaydh:

Bonn, you are tiresome. No matter who i list you are going to deny it, so whats the point? Go look for yourself. And btw, teams in the NL are more pitching dominant which is what makes several of them comparable.

Ok let's look.

The NL Central is immediately dismissed. Worst division in baseball by far.

In the NL West, there's the Arizona, a nice young team but would rank around 10-12 amongst all teams. Then you have the Padres, a very good team and comparable to Cleveland and Seattle.

In the NL East there's the Phillies who aren't anywhere near as good as those AL teams with ZERO pitching and no bullpen. Then the Mets who aren't very good right now either. Their offense is weak and their pitching is weak with not a single ace and a mediocre bullpen.

The AL is so far superior its just like the NBA Western Conference has completely overshadowed the East the last few years.

Offense bias anyone? Yea the best pitching teams in the league suck but the best offensive teams rock! what wins championships again? oh yea, homeruns...LOL

True but factor in that NL pitchers feast on the fact they don't have to pitch to a DH.
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