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knicks1248
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8/7/2007  10:58 AM
We have hell, uve scorers, but we are far from a running team. We don't play good enough defense, or are we fundamentily sound to be a real half court team. I mean does this team have an ID other then curry's post ups. Im lost on this one.
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8/7/2007  11:01 AM
You're not the only one
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8/7/2007  11:05 AM
There is no "sabbatical" in TEAM

Eddy, Jamal, Wilson Chandler and Quentin are in Chicago. Hopefully Eddy is feeling safer at the crib. Nate is working out in New York, where Demetris Nichols is also hanging out. Randolph Morris is in Lexington. David Lee is in Las Vegas where Malik Rose was last spotted.

It's anyone's guess where the rest of them are.

What kind of team are we?

A team on Summer Vacation

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8/7/2007  2:42 PM
We're a plodding, half court, dump it insode every time team, with a change of pace, scary fast bench.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/7/2007  2:44 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

We're a plodding, half court, dump it insode every time team, with a change of pace, scary fast bench.

that's the '99 team that went to the finals.
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8/7/2007  2:56 PM
I dont see why we will have to be a plodding team. Yes Curry and Zach are great in the half court but both of them also have good speed for their positions. So does Crawford. Marbury doesnt fast break much but if Crawfor d gets the ball he might look to push it. Part depends on if Balk or Qrich start at sf.
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8/7/2007  3:01 PM
I hear that Cos, but I think we're almost better off bringing in a whole unit of fast guys in all at once with Nate/Balk/Lee/Chandler/Craw
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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8/7/2007  3:05 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

We're a plodding, half court, dump it insode every time team, with a change of pace, scary fast bench.

that's the '99 team that went to the finals.

that team had great defenders in Childs, LJ, Camby, Spree, Ward & Ewing.
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8/7/2007  3:09 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I hear that Cos, but I think we're almost better off bringing in a whole unit of fast guys in all at once with Nate/Balk/Lee/Chandler/Craw

Thats a very small lineup for extended periods of time. I'd be wary of taking our only post feeder away from Curry and losing that connection
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8/7/2007  3:10 PM
The strength of our team will be Curry and Zach in the post. Our team can run, but if we are running on a regular basis we are literally running away from our strength.
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8/7/2007  3:10 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

We're a plodding, half court, dump it insode every time team, with a change of pace, scary fast bench.

that's the '99 team that went to the finals.

that team had great defenders in Childs, LJ, Camby, Spree, Ward & Ewing.

yeah and we have great defenders in . . . , well you know there's . . ., ummm . . . .just give me a moment.
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8/7/2007  3:22 PM
Posted by Marv:

yeah and we have great defenders in . . . , well you know there's . . ., ummm . . . .just give me a moment.

The way this team is constructed we can't expect great defense for 48 minutes a night. We'll have to settle for great D in stretches. We have some defenders we can put on the floor but they can't stay out there for too long. We got back into games using those players last year.

Now we need to get our starters to play better D and tho they won't be great, if they can just play harder it may be enough to slow teams down. Right now we pretty much let teams get whatever they wanted. The starters were awful on D. So we must get them to buckle down a bit and as the game moves along, from the bench, we'll get stretches where we play really good D and then we'll see the team run off of steals, misses and blocks. But just don't expect the starters to be the ones doing all of that. The starters best defense will be an aggressive offense. We can hope to draw a lot of fouls and get in the penalty early. Just keep pounding away.
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8/7/2007  3:29 PM
the way i see it, we have guys that stack up to Ward (Mardy) & LJ (Q Rich) on D... the problem is we have NO ONE who can fill the defensive roles that Ewing & Camby filled... as i've said ad nauseum, this team needs a shotblocker!

right, i know... shotblocking is overrated... i guess that's why almost every team that's won an NBA championship in recent years has had a great shotblocker on the team.
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8/7/2007  3:42 PM
We are a fringe playoff team that is going to be lucky to finish in 8th place, at best we take the 6th spot at worst we take the 11th spot.

We have a coach that won't put the best players on the floor and won't limit crawford and currys minutes and increase balkman, lee and mardy. I know we haven't played a game yet but its no surprise that jefferies will be getting minutes he doesn't deserve and curry and jamal will not be held up to defensive standards they should be.
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8/7/2007  4:17 PM
Posted by TMS:

the way i see it, we have guys that stack up to Ward (Mardy) & LJ (Q Rich) on D... the problem is we have NO ONE who can fill the defensive roles that Ewing & Camby filled... as i've said ad nauseum, this team needs a shotblocker!

right, i know... shotblocking is overrated... i guess that's why almost every team that's won an NBA championship in recent years has had a great shotblocker on the team.

Correlation does not equal causation. You could just as easily say that almost every champion had a 17ppg scorer or a 9reb per game rebounder.

The Clippers ranked 2nd in shot blocks and didnt even make the playoffs. Where were the champion Spurs ranked? 11th after the Clippers, Warriors, Pacers, Hawks, Nuggets, Lakers, and Magic. In fact they were only 1 slot above the Grizz who had the worst record in the NBA.
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8/7/2007  4:18 PM
If you have great perimeter defense you don't need a shotblocker. If you have a great shotblocker you don't need great perimeter defense. Right now, we have neither. Shouldn't we fix that?
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8/7/2007  4:23 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by TMS:

the way i see it, we have guys that stack up to Ward (Mardy) & LJ (Q Rich) on D... the problem is we have NO ONE who can fill the defensive roles that Ewing & Camby filled... as i've said ad nauseum, this team needs a shotblocker!

right, i know... shotblocking is overrated... i guess that's why almost every team that's won an NBA championship in recent years has had a great shotblocker on the team.

Correlation does not equal causation. You could just as easily say that almost every champion had a 17ppg scorer or a 9reb per game rebounder.

The Clippers ranked 2nd in shot blocks and didnt even make the playoffs. Where were the champion Spurs ranked? 11th after the Clippers, Warriors, Pacers, Hawks, Nuggets, Lakers, and Magic. In fact they were only 1 slot above the Grizz who had the worst record in the NBA.

i didn't say you needed to be a great shotblocking team, but you can't ignore the fact that guys like Shaq, Duncan, Olajuwon, Alonzo, Big Ben & Sheed all contributed hugely to their teams' success in the postseason w/the shotblocking presence they all brought to the table... obviously, scoring wins games, but in my experience, i've noticed that most championship teams in recent years have had at least 1 great shotblocker on the team (w/the exception of the Jordan Bulls maybe)... we have none.
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8/7/2007  4:33 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by TMS:

the way i see it, we have guys that stack up to Ward (Mardy) & LJ (Q Rich) on D... the problem is we have NO ONE who can fill the defensive roles that Ewing & Camby filled... as i've said ad nauseum, this team needs a shotblocker!

right, i know... shotblocking is overrated... i guess that's why almost every team that's won an NBA championship in recent years has had a great shotblocker on the team.

Correlation does not equal causation. You could just as easily say that almost every champion had a 17ppg scorer or a 9reb per game rebounder.

The Clippers ranked 2nd in shot blocks and didnt even make the playoffs. Where were the champion Spurs ranked? 11th after the Clippers, Warriors, Pacers, Hawks, Nuggets, Lakers, and Magic. In fact they were only 1 slot above the Grizz who had the worst record in the NBA.

i didn't say you needed to be a great shotblocking team, but you can't ignore the fact that guys like Shaq, Duncan, Olajuwon, Alonzo, Big Ben & Sheed all contributed hugely to their teams' success in the postseason w/the shotblocking presence they all brought to the table... obviously, scoring wins games, but in my experience, i've noticed that most championship teams in recent years have had at least 1 great shotblocker on the team (w/the exception of the Jordan Bulls maybe)... we have none.

But you are trying to make a point via correlation and I'm showing you that correlation does not mean causation. For every champion team with a shot blocker I could show you 10 teams with shot blockers that didnt win that year. Or for every champion you can show me with a shot blocker I could show you a champion with a 17ppg scorer. Do you understand that correlation does not equal causation? The Spurs were ranked 11th in shot blocking so obviously that was not the major reason they became champions.
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8/7/2007  4:35 PM
TMS if Correlation equaled causation Robert Horry and Steve Kerr would have been 20 mill a year players because so often I would look at the Champions and those 2 guys would be on those Champion teams. Did that mean those 2 guys were causing the teams to be champions? No their correlation with champion teams was not the causation for those teams to be champions.
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8/7/2007  4:42 PM
again, i'm not saying correlation equals causation, but it seems more than mere coincidence that great champions have all have shotblockers on the team... it's about team balance, which is something we do not have.
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