OT: murders in Newerk, etc
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jazz74
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8/7/2007 8:49 AM
yeah, philly is crazy too. a fifteen year old kid was shot because he wouldn't get out of the street fast enough when the killer's car was riding through. that is nuts buit it is a cycle that has always been around especially during a time with economic recession or imbalance. though the economy is not as bad as a few years ago it is still far from prospering like in the 90's. the 80's had their share of problems with the yusef hawkins and the central park "wilding" incedent. sometimes i think we will never learn.
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Nalod
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8/7/2007 9:40 AM
Gang inciation is really crazy to think about. Its random and usually victom is totally outside the relm.
Its not hip hop, its the economics. Even in North Carolina the mid sized cities are seeing gang activity growing. PLaces like Greensboro, Winston-Salem and Raleigh-Durham are seeing it. They are ecnomic "cells" that bind a group as a single entity. New kind of mafia. They offer companionship and a dream. |
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Bippity10
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8/7/2007 10:01 AM
Can't speak for everywhere, but I can speak for my own neighborhood, where I do a lot of public speaking. In my neighborhood the amount of children being born out of wedlock was around 15% in the 80's. Then during the 90's someone thought it would be a good idea to spare the feelings of the mothers and we started to destigmatize these births to unwed mothers. Now some 20 years later nearly 70% of the kids in my neighborhood are born to unwed mothers. There are no families and very few reliable fathers. When I was growing up there was crime(one of my best friends was murdered) but we may have had 8-10 murders per year, and very few of those were random. Now the crime is so out of control(already 21 murders classified as random), unless people know who you are you literally can't walk down the street. It's very sad. This is a topic we don't seem to cover a lot in the media. There are literally hundreds of kids growing up where the gang is their only family.
These percentages of unwed mothers is growing in the white population and the minority middle class as well and this is one of the reasons you are seeing gang violence appear in these "quiet neighborhoods" as well. Families and good parents are no longer worshipped. Having kids as an afterthought instead of a plan is the norm. At the lower economic areas of all races, men that achieve, move away and raise college capable children and teach them to raise college capable children are by some considered to be traitors to their race(or neighborhood), instead of being heroes for helping more people succeed. In my view we are creating our own issues. [Edited by - bippity10 on 07-08-2007 10:09 AM] I just hope that people will like me
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EnySpree
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8/7/2007 10:13 AM
The other day a co-worker told me his 15 year old son got jumped by 7 kids ranging from 12-19. They cut his face and broke almost all of his front teeth with a razor scooter. The crazy thing about this is that there were cameras that everyone knows are there in front of the building where they were. Yo make it more gully is the fact that 3 of the kids didn't even run. They stood right there even when the cops rolled up. The other kids didn't even go far. They were up the block doing other things like they didn't almost kill somebody.
The kids now are desensitised. They are also smart enough to know that the cops can't arrest a minor for something like a fight. Only the 19 year old is hons face a charge. The rest were released to their parents! Wanna know what the beef was? It was over sneakers! The kids were clownin each other over sneakers. Somebody didn't like it so they all end up beating this kid down. Another thing. There was plenty of adults outside. Nobody stepped in to help. Nobody told them to chill out. Even better, with all the older people and smaller kids out there those kids still did what they did. We failed our youth. Their are no father figures out there. A lot of guys are half assing their fatherly duties. Don't get me wrong. Some kids come from happy, well to do homes and still find a way to do crazy ****. Its just nowadays it just seems like people don't even care anymore. When I was a kid if stuff like that happened, someone would have taken care of it. The whole block would have at least tried to stop it or at least tell the police what happened so they don't have to launch an investigation ove something like this. Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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TMS
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8/7/2007 10:23 AM
kids these days just don't give a F***. back in the day we used to have at least a little respect for our elders... now, forget it... them little buggers hanging out in front of the schoolyard will cut you as soon as look at you... do not mess w/kids these days.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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bitty41
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8/7/2007 10:28 AM
Eny
I live in Newark by all the Universities which is supposedly a "good area" in Newark. After living here for 2 years now Ive come to one conclusion: people who are hard working, going to school, basically contributing to society get them out of town move them to some of the outer suburbs the rest of the city just let it destory itself than come in afterwards and clean up the carnage. This sounds harsh but seriously this has to be one of the most disappointing cities in America. Newark has a lot of potential its linked with one of the biggest financial centers in the (Wall Street). Major educational institutions are located right smack in the middle of the city, a lot culture exists in the city. But listen the City Government lets just say that I know junior high school student councils that are run better. Every single stereotype that you see in media about the inner city that is Newark to the T. Low education, high crime rates, drug infestation, trash on the sidewalks,etc My neighborhood is mostly people who work at Rutgers, Star Ledger,or in NYC. But than there is the other population of mentally ill drug addicts, other ex-cons etc and some of the stuff you have to see and deal is ridiculous. The police are absoluetly worthless. No joke one of my neighbors had a home invasion (some guy standing over her bed) she scared him off but when she called the Newark cops it took them 45 minutes to respond. One night some guy I don't if he was mentally drunk or whatever was trying to break in our gate that leads to the basement, than started banging on our door we called Newark cops they didn't even SHOW UP! Sometimes you call 911 and no one even picks up the phone. We usually have to call the Rutgers cops. So I cann't even imagine what its like in some of the worse neighborhoods. Bippity I agree with everything you said but there's a more baser problem at hand you have a lot of young people walking around who could care less about life or death. Meaning that they don't care about their lives nor anyone else's. [Edited by - bitty41 on 08-07-2007 10:32 AM] |
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Bippity10
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8/7/2007 10:34 AM
The good strict, disciplinarian parent who raised men and women is going the way of the disciplinarian coach. No one respects them anymore. In the old days when someone did wrong we told them "they effed up and better fly right or they will end up in jail." And if they effed up again we called the cops. Now when someone effs up we say "I know times are hard, I know you are trying, you just keep trying and things will get better one day". We then proceed to blame other parents, the teachers, other races, the government. Personal responsibility is gone.
I just hope that people will like me
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VDesai
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8/7/2007 10:39 AM
This story is just horrific. There's no way to explain it.
Newark as a city is such an interesting case. They've done a lot to clean it up and yet this kind of stuff is still happening there. And they've got a young mayor who's about as bright and energetic a guy I've ever seen. If you want to learn more about Newark I'd suggest watching the movie Street Fight. It's a documentary about the Newark Mayoral race from a few years ago- Cory Booker vs. Sharpe James. You can get a pretty good sense of the city's culture and what's been going on there from watching it. |
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knicks1248
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8/7/2007 10:40 AM
Posted by EnySpree: Yeah ,I'm in maryland (baltimore) and have been for a few months and decided to buy the post this morning (which they sell out here) and was disgusted by both articles. Baltimore is by far the worst I have seen. Belive me when I tell You, I travel a lot and have been to a lot of low income neighborhoods, but nothing and I mean nothing beats these narrowed minded people out here. I grew up in some tough neighborhoods ( L.E.S, Crown hieghts, fort green, east NY) mannnnn those places are like beverly hills compared to what I have wittness out here. The Gang sh.. out here is getting wayyy out of control, and stories like those are a daily occurence. just think, when you get evicted from your house they just come bang on your door throw you and and every thng you own right in the middle of the street and leave it there, weather your home or not. Teenagers get pregnent out here like it's the thing to do, some look and dress older then you could ever imagine. I'm not sure how many chicks i have came across( so easy) that I could of hit, that turn out to be 17, i6. The 20 year olds look like the 40, and the 30 year olds look horrible. Crack heads selling crack, dope fiends selling dope, and the last police graduation class was 35 officers. I have been in neighborhoods out here wher both poor whites and poor blacks live side by side all strung out. ES
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Bippity10
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8/7/2007 11:01 AM
Bippity Bitty I feel your frustration and I'm with you. I think a lot of this not caring comes from not having family and role models that can teach these kids how to succeed. Let's not sugarcoat this. It's really not difficult to be able to live above the poverty level in america. Get a high school education, don't have a large amount of kids and work hard and you are pretty much going to live above the poverty level. Thousands of kids come out of college each year, graduating with no jobs and no parents to help them financially, yet find a way to live outside the hood. It isn't difficult. But in our poor neighborhoods there is noone around to teach people how easy it is. No successful fathers to teach the kids how to get out. How to succeed. Show the importance of a formal education. That world is completely foreign to them. It seems helpless because you can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. That's when kids stop caring. My father was uneducated and broke. He figured it out. He got his highschool diploma and made his way to college. He worked 12 hours a day, went to school for 2-3, my mother worked, I worked, my brother worked. My father graduated and found a way to make a good amount of money. He showed me how hard work changes things. My brother saw it as well. WE did well. Magically many of our closest friends started figuring it out as well and they improved their lot. But many in our neighborhoods see our success as a result of being an uncle tom. We must have an inside track with whitey to be able to succeed. When I told this story in detail my father was called an uncle tom by two people on this very site. It's an odd mentality, but a real one and not just subject to minorities. There are always people that do not want to see others succeed. I just hope that people will like me
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JesseDark
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8/7/2007 11:08 AM
Enyspree, it's the "Stop Snitching" mentality gone way too far. Bippity, I agree with you. There are too many negatives that are entrenched in the way of thinking of our young people, From the use of the N word to the exploitation of women in videos.
There are too many of us who are not being the fathers that we ought to be. Another example that was caught on tape was in Detroit. A few months back one thug beat the s h i t out of a some 80 something year old to steal his car. Did any of his boys step in say nah that ain't call - nope. They just milled around like it was nothing. Describing this doesn't give justice to how wrong it looks on tape. Bring back dee-fense
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bitty41
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8/7/2007 11:11 AM
You know Bippity I think there is entirely too much enabling going on in the innter city.
Hey you don't show up for school no big deal Hey you have a kid at 16 than 18 than 22 than 25 again no big deal You get busted for carrying a guy do sometime hey no big deal You beat some kid up for his Ipod no big deal You gun down someone because you had an arguement with them no big deal [Edited by - bitty41 on 08-07-2007 11:12 AM] |
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lovespree
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8/7/2007 11:17 AM
Posted by knicks1248:Posted by EnySpree: I've heard about how crazy Baltimore is...it's just really sad. I don't know what to say about today's youth. They are so out of control. And it's true, you can't say anything to these kids. They are ready to cut, stab, beat you up or shoot you. It's like we are living in the last days. There are so many issues that I believe that have a direct effect on what's happening in our society - Poverty probably starts it all off. Poverty leads to so many other situations, drug trafficking gangs, broken families, etc., etc. The negative music and images don't help either. I'm not sure how it's going to turn itself around. Maybe we need to start charging more of this kids as adults and send their butts to jail for life. Maybe it will start scaring them. But that's not even the answer. The kids that aren't caught turn into young people who do the same things. I'm at a loss. It's very disheartening. I don't have kids and sometimes I don't know if I'd like to even bring kids into this messed up society. NY KNICKS 4 EVER! Will we ever find players like Anthony Mason, Xavier McDaniels, Patrick Ewing again? I hope so.
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Bippity10
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8/7/2007 11:25 AM
Jesse: I once talked back to my highschool coach. My father never even asked my coach or me what happened. He just heard that I talked back. He immediately punished me, emptied my room of all unessentials(left me a mattress, blanket, pillow and my school books) and made me earn all of them back. I hated my father with a passion that day, but I learned a lesson. I learned a lesson of respect.
In the recent past I gave a speech to my players about how I would not tolerate any drinking or drug use and that it would be cause for instant dismissal from the team. That afternoon a kid on my team got caught on school grounds with a joint and some beer. Why did he get caught? Because he was beating someone up and after the fight that kid told on him. I immediately kicked him off the team and notified the parents(left a message). The kid was told the ejection was not permanent and that if he could show me he was responsible over the course of the next year I would allow him to TRY OUT for next year's team. The parents never showed up to discuss this. I actually went to their house to discuss it. Father was not around and the mother said she didn't care what I do with that "stupid basketball". I did hear from other parents who were angry that I had kicked the kid off the team. I then heard from the AD that he thought it would be a good idea to give him a second shot. I said no, but was informed that it didn't matter what I thought, the kid should get another shot. They forced me to take him back. NOt only did he continue to do drugs and drink on school grounds, but he had a support system now enabling his drug use and disrespected me on a daily basis. He disrupted practice after practice and loved the fact tha tI was forced to take him back. I refused to let him play no matter how much pressure I had. People accused me of hating him for no reason, when the reality was, I was the only person that actually cared about the kid and wanted to help him instead of enabling him. A year later he was in Juvi. It's tough when noone cares about you. [Edited by - bippity10 on 07-08-2007 11:27 AM] I just hope that people will like me
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Nalod
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8/7/2007 11:46 AM
Some areas of society lack ACCOUNTABILITY. Kudos to anyone who crawled out of the vicious cycle. I can' t even imagaine. |
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EnySpree
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8/7/2007 12:02 PM
East ny, brownsville, bushwich, williamsberg, used to be just as bad as newerk is now. Now they're trendy neighborhoods. Within the last 2 years there have been so many new homes and apartment buildings that have been vacant lots for 30-40 years!!! A lot of landlords are gutting apartments that have been run down since the 70s and putting **** like marble floors and wood floors to attract or business and deeper pockets.
What I'm getting at is nobody cares. Let the people there kill themselves cuz as soon as the property is low enough it will be prime time to come in and buy everything out. Where do these people go? To newerk! Lol. Its true. They go to places like conneticut, and northern virgina, Georgia, the Carolinas, etc. People are moving cuz they can't afford it. Even in places where it was once called the murda capital of nyc, being east ny. To me its deeper than just broken families. This a system that has been in place for a long time. That's why police don't come when you call. How else do you explain how drug dealers can sell drugs for decades on the same block. Yeah the dealers have changed but they keep sprouting right back up. They know where these people live. They know their whole operation. Everyone knows the operation cuz they been living with it forever. People complain but it still goes on. There was a time when I was staying with my girl and we were sick of watching people sell drugs and doing all kinda of stuff in our face. We called the cops and told them everygthing that was going down in our building from descriptions to names to where they lived. We have our names and telephone numbers too. We never heard about it again. We were a little afraid of the cops leaking that it was us giving info. Nobody came! Those mofos have been doing the same **** for decades. A friend of mines father went to jail for 10 years for selling drugs in the same building in the 80s. What the heck is going on? All it takes is a cop to stand in front of the building or to actually walk the beat. That's all. It starts at home but something still can be done to ensure stupid things don't happen. Like those kids that got executed. There are high risk areas. Those kids probably shouldn't have been there but there should have police presence in places like that. Not an army just one or 2 cops walkin the beat. You only see beat cops hanging out in tourist areas. You know cops spend a lot of time selling drugs and do crimes themselves to set up people and arrest them when all they have to do is patrol the spots that have been notorious for crime for generations. You know, nobody respects cops. The people don't respect themselves and they don't respect each other. Change needs to come. People know what's going on. Nobody cares. Then people wanna talk about economy and business and people nerd to go to school or something else like that. How can we be so out of touch with life around us? How can we be occupying Iraq while there are terrorist occupying newerk? How dare bush give us military aide to countries that harbor terrorists? How dare the military have a commercial saying they were there for the sunami victims when the people in new Orleans were left to die for 5 days and still to this day the place looks like a bomb was dropped on it. Explain why military popped up with guns drawn shooting and killing mofos when they dropped food and supplies almost imediately on the sunami victims. Explain why us military train Iraq militia groups when those mofos go on to help train the enemy. That's why those mofos in tank tops and flip flops out there are kicking our ass. Why aren't there more goverment training here in the states? Why do the troops come back with nothing? This country is good cuz I can post opinions about society on a knicks fan website on my phone while I operate a train that transports people miles and miles as they go from their spa appointment to their hair stylist. There is still something totally wrong with this country. God bless the child who's got his own. God bless those that have a concious mind enough to use their own to make a difference. Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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Bippity10
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8/7/2007 12:11 PM
Then people wanna talk about economy and business and people nerd to go to school or something else like that. How else do you expect people to get out of these situations? Is the government(democrat or republican) going to do it? On an individual level this is the only way to get out. No one is going to help you. People have to be taught how to do it themselves. When a hurricane comes, Hilary Clinton, George Bush, John Edwards, Barak Obama, Guliani are not coming to save you. You have to find a way to help yourself. Yes, easier said than done, but still a valid message. WE have a generation of people waiting for the ideal government to come along to change things for the better. Ideally, this sounds great, but in the end people have to learn to do for themselves. [Edited by - bippity10 on 07-08-2007 12:14 PM] I just hope that people will like me
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Bippity10
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8/7/2007 12:12 PM
How can we be occupying Iraq while there are terrorist occupying newerk? How dare bush give us military aide to countries that harbor terrorists? How dare the military have a commercial saying they were there for the sunami victims when the people in new Orleans were left to die for 5 days and still to this day the place looks like a bomb was dropped on it. Explain why military popped up with guns drawn shooting and killing mofos when they dropped food and supplies almost imediately on the sunami victims. Explain why us military train Iraq militia groups when those mofos go on to help train the enemy. That's why those mofos in tank tops and flip flops out there are kicking our ass. Why aren't there more goverment training here in the states? Why do the troops come back with nothing? This I agree with I just hope that people will like me
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OT: murders in Newerk, etc