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djsunyc
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7/30/2007  8:15 PM
cassell + spree + kg makes the WCF in 2003.

owner refuses to spend on spree + cassell in 2004.

since 2005:

mccants, foye, brewer, jefferson, green, telfair, gomes, smith and 2 #1 picks

with major cap room after next season (and their own picks)

not bad for a quick rebuild, no?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-30-2007 8:17 PM]
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7/30/2007  9:23 PM
When you've got a player like KG its easy to rebuid
That's what made the Shaq trade so bad.
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7/30/2007  9:25 PM
Good young team. There might be some stars in that galaxy.
Jefferson, Foye, Brewer?
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7/30/2007  10:25 PM
Posted by Panos:

Good young team. There might be some stars in that galaxy.
Jefferson, Foye, Brewer?

Also, Green has lots of upside.
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7/31/2007  12:23 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

When you've got a player like KG its easy to rebuid
That's what made the Shaq trade so bad.

Pretty much sums it up. When you can trade a KG for basically half a team, it is easy to rebuild. McHale still is the worse GM in the league. Also, remember that he got Foye because Ainge is the second worst GM in the league and one of the first round picks is a pick McHale had already owed Boston from a prior stupid trade.

The only thing I give McHale credit for is finally realizing that it was time to move K.G. and he almost waited a year too late to do that.

[Edited by - thegame on 07-31-2007 12:24 AM]
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7/31/2007  10:31 AM
A year ago he could have had deng and thomas and the knicks pick and possibly tyson chandler paxson was ready to give up the galaxy for the guy, i think we could have got more a year early. He is still a terrible gm.

Telfair, McCants are tremendous question marks, and you have to be scarred of green although i think he will be good, and brewer could be a solid pro, but like many have pointed out it's much easier to rebuild when you have a top 25 all time great to move
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7/31/2007  10:51 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

When you've got a player like KG its easy to rebuid

Exactly. When you have a healthy top 5 NBA star its much easier to gather assets.
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7/31/2007  10:53 AM
mchale is terrible...but he did rebuild. regardless of who was on the roster and who wasn't, he did completely change the future of that team, no?
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Posted by djsunyc:

mchale is terrible...but he did rebuild. regardless of who was on the roster and who wasn't, he did completely change the future of that team, no?


It's a lot easier to change the future of a team when you get that directive. He did a bad job at building them up. Tearing it down by stripping away your foundation is a lot easier.
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7/31/2007  11:00 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

mchale is terrible...but he did rebuild. regardless of who was on the roster and who wasn't, he did completely change the future of that team, no?

changing the future of a team is easy, how good that future is going to be is the key...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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7/31/2007  11:01 AM
A gm is only as good as his owner will allow him to be.

Glen Taylor let Mchale know when it was time.

Dolan ruins men. And women.

Minny has upside now and rebuild hopes. Ainge is a moron.

How big is KG's extension? They dressing the revenue up for a sale of the franchise in a year?

Boston is gonna be like Miami with severe cap limits. Better hope they win sooner than later like Riles did. Miami is cap restrained, an aging shaq and too many minutes to Wade.

But they got that shiney stuff and that matter$!!!
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7/31/2007  11:18 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

When you've got a player like KG its easy to rebuid

It's great how Lovers are trying to have their cake and eat it too. In regards to McHale, they're dismissing his attempt at rebuilding by saying how easy it is to do when you have a "player like KG". Insinuating that he's still a great player with enough good years left, where he can warrant enough in trade to facillitate a rebuild.

Then in the next breath, the same Lovers will dismiss the impact that KG will have for the Celtics, suggesting that he's injury prone and past his prime. Even going so far as saying that KG is no better than Nick Collison or whoever the Sonics power forward was last year.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

When you've got a player like KG its easy to rebuid

It's great how Lovers are trying to have their cake and eat it too. In regards to McHale, they're dismissing his attempt at rebuilding by saying how easy it is to do when you have a "player like KG". Insinuating that he's still a great player with enough good years left, where he can warrant enough in trade to facillitate a rebuild.

Then in the next breath, the same Lovers will dismiss the impact that KG will have for the Celtics, suggesting that he's injury prone and past his prime. Even going so far as saying that KG is no better than Nick Collison or whoever the Sonics power forward was last year.

Good catch and nice analysis. I was going to post something similar to that. I really don't understand the blind hatred because that logic isn't even rational. And we're called the "haters"?
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7/31/2007  11:52 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

When you've got a player like KG its easy to rebuid

It's great how Lovers are trying to have their cake and eat it too. In regards to McHale, they're dismissing his attempt at rebuilding by saying how easy it is to do when you have a "player like KG". Insinuating that he's still a great player with enough good years left, where he can warrant enough in trade to facillitate a rebuild.

Then in the next breath, the same Lovers will dismiss the impact that KG will have for the Celtics, suggesting that he's injury prone and past his prime. Even going so far as saying that KG is no better than Nick Collison or whoever the Sonics power forward was last year.

Good catch and nice analysis. I was going to post something similar to that. I really don't understand the blind hatred because that logic isn't even rational. And we're called the "haters"?


I've yet to meet a consistent LOVER in terms of their debate. I don't mind mixing it up with a LOVER but why they attach the Hot Wire to the Negative Wire all the time baffles me.

Remember too the many debates on brighter futures in that the so called Haters mentioned the Celtics were in a better position to possibly compete soon vs our team? One of them being having the possibility to offer more in a trade than we could for a big chip?

Remember too the many debates on trading for a big chip what it would do to the team. HATERS said a team would have to gut themselves somewhat to get, say a K.G. and the Lovers were like "So what for a player like K.G. "Hell Yeah". Not that the Haters were vehemently opposed to doing it just covering all scenarios and maybe taking a second guess on the matter. But the Lovers were in full blown get K.G. mode. Now that the Celtics trump everyone the Lovers are like, "The C's have sacrificed their future what a shame".!



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[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-31-2007 10:54 AM]
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7/31/2007  11:57 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

When you've got a player like KG its easy to rebuid

It's great how Lovers are trying to have their cake and eat it too. In regards to McHale, they're dismissing his attempt at rebuilding by saying how easy it is to do when you have a "player like KG". Insinuating that he's still a great player with enough good years left, where he can warrant enough in trade to facillitate a rebuild.

Then in the next breath, the same Lovers will dismiss the impact that KG will have for the Celtics, suggesting that he's injury prone and past his prime. Even going so far as saying that KG is no better than Nick Collison or whoever the Sonics power forward was last year.

Actually, I think only one person made the suggestion that Collison was as good as KG. I think everyone else pretty much dismissed the whole Sonics '06 being as good as '07 Celtics theory as flatly wrong.
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7/31/2007  12:00 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

When you've got a player like KG its easy to rebuid

It's great how Lovers are trying to have their cake and eat it too. In regards to McHale, they're dismissing his attempt at rebuilding by saying how easy it is to do when you have a "player like KG". Insinuating that he's still a great player with enough good years left, where he can warrant enough in trade to facillitate a rebuild.

Then in the next breath, the same Lovers will dismiss the impact that KG will have for the Celtics, suggesting that he's injury prone and past his prime. Even going so far as saying that KG is no better than Nick Collison or whoever the Sonics power forward was last year.

Actually, I think only one person made the suggestion that Collison was as good as KG. I think everyone else pretty much dismissed the whole Sonics '06 being as good as '07 Celtics theory as flatly wrong.

First, how can anyone make that comparison? Insanity! Secondly, other terrible comparisons have been made, like to a post-microfacture surgery Webber. What's really odd... is these same people thought KG on the Suns = championship, yet think KG on the Celtics = crap. Where is the logic?
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7/31/2007  2:18 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

When you've got a player like KG its easy to rebuid

It's great how Lovers are trying to have their cake and eat it too. In regards to McHale, they're dismissing his attempt at rebuilding by saying how easy it is to do when you have a "player like KG". Insinuating that he's still a great player with enough good years left, where he can warrant enough in trade to facillitate a rebuild.

Then in the next breath, the same Lovers will dismiss the impact that KG will have for the Celtics, suggesting that he's injury prone and past his prime. Even going so far as saying that KG is no better than Nick Collison or whoever the Sonics power forward was last year.

Good catch and nice analysis. I was going to post something similar to that. I really don't understand the blind hatred because that logic isn't even rational. And we're called the "haters"?

Name names. Don't just lump all 'Lovers' into the dissing KG camp. Maybe you're talking about the lunatic fringe.
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7/31/2007  2:31 PM
Posted by kam77:

Name names. Don't just lump all 'Lovers' into the dissing KG camp. Maybe you're talking about the lunatic fringe.

You're correct. Lumping everyone is unfair. There have been a fair amount of the lovers who have acted in the way described. I'm not going to target anyone by naming them specifically, but if you're reading along, you know who they are.
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7/31/2007  2:38 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

cassell + spree + kg makes the WCF in 2003.

owner refuses to spend on spree + cassell in 2004.

since 2005:

mccants, foye, brewer, jefferson, green, telfair, gomes, smith and 2 #1 picks

with major cap room after next season (and their own picks)

not bad for a quick rebuild, no?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-30-2007 8:17 PM]


the problem will be finding free agents to sign in Minnesota.

[Edited by - michael6835 on 07-31-2007 2:43 PM]
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djsunyc
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Posted by Michael6835:
Posted by djsunyc:

cassell + spree + kg makes the WCF in 2003.

owner refuses to spend on spree + cassell in 2004.

since 2005:

mccants, foye, brewer, jefferson, green, telfair, gomes, smith and 2 #1 picks

with major cap room after next season (and their own picks)

not bad for a quick rebuild, no?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-30-2007 8:17 PM]


the problem will be finding free agents to sign in Minnesota.

this is true but they can basically trade for players (ala charlotte for jrich with a trade exception)
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