Who do you think will be a better player in this league Noah or Chandler?

Also who would you rather have on this team Balkman or Ty Thomas?

[Edited by - BigC on 07-26-2007 7:53 PM]

Bth Noah and Chandler are completely unproven. But Noah's a total 'tard, so to me, Chanler has the edge.

Who knows with Noah and Chandler. I personally like Chandlers game more. Noah to me is a nice role player, but I don't see him being more than that. I think Chandler has the kind of talent that could develop into more. We're looking at an early version of him and already I like what I see.

I think Ty will likely have the better chance to excel early, since he'll get a chance to play more. As to who will be the better player, that all depends on how successful both will be at developing their offensive games. Right now Ty and Balk are pretty similar. I think Balk is still a bit timid when it comes to taking the open shot. He has to get over that. Ty is such a freak atheletically that it makes up for a lot of flaws in his game and gives him an edge when plays break down. He can just rise and throw it down over most defenders. Tho he found out the hard way that you don't dunk on ZO.

I like CHandler. Assuming that he can continue to develop and shoot at a high percentage, I think the sky's the limit. He has a nice handle, good midrange game, 3pt range on his shot, and mad athleticism. Noah is a solid player, but I see him as a John Salley type. He will be good, but he will not be an allstar or the main cog on a team. Chandler has more potential but for right now it is just potential. We will have to see how he develops over the next 2-3 years.

Ty v. Balkman. It really depends on if Balkman learns to shoot. If he does not, then Ty will probably have more impact as a pro. Balkman, however, is a defensive beast and I think he can become a lock down defender at the 3 spot. Give this guy a jumpshot and he will be a star. Right now, Ty is the better prospect, but that might change in a few years.




[Edited by - thegame on 07-26-2007 8:45 PM]

[Edited by - thegame on 07-26-2007 8:47 PM]

BTW, Isles you do realize that this is a Knicks' forum right?

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by islesfan:

Noah and Thomas. It's not even remotely close.

This is the type of question that can only be asked on a NY Knicks fan board.

I like Ty Thomas but I am no fan of Noah's game at where he was drafted. Check other team boards again you get a lot of Noah overrated threads. Hawkes was there for the Bulls. Game's John Saley comparison is a good one.

I'm not saying that Noah is going to be a star in the league. But I think he can do everything that
David Lee can and more. He's already a better shotblocker and defender than Lee. I don't see Chandler being anything more than a backup. He doesn't do anything particularly well. He's a good athlete but he doesn't have a motor like Balkman to help cover up his deficiencies.

I'll have to see Noah in the NBA to really judge if he can do everything that Lee can do and more. It looks like he has the tools tho, but we'll have to see. He's a bit light in the shorts at the moment.

Chandler is still early in his development, but I'd say that he actually does everything pretty well. What's wrong with a SF that can defend, plays the passing lanes, block shots, hit from 3, handle the ball, pass it well and has great hops? I mean geez!

Noah absolutely sucks. The man has a weak game. Frye was 10 times better than Noah. As for Ty Thomas he will be a decent player at best but so will Balkman.

Posted by Vmart:

Noah absolutely sucks. The man has a weak game. Frye was 10 times better than Noah. As for Ty Thomas he will be a decent player at best but so will Balkman.

He absolutely sucks?!? Umm ok.

Frye and Noah are completely different players. Why are you even comparing them?

Ty Thomas a decent player at best??? That's his ceiling? You have no clue.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

Chandler is still early in his development, but I'd say that he actually does everything pretty well. What's wrong with a SF that can defend, plays the passing lanes, block shots, hit from 3, handle the ball, pass it well and has great hops? I mean geez!

Nothing wrong with that. The CBA, Developmental League and European Leagues are filled with guys who possess the same skills as Chandler.

OH REALLY? I don't see it quite that way, but it's so early that who can be sure. I just thought that the guy showed amazing poise and skill for a 20 year old kid. Ariza wasn't anywhere near that level of all around skill at the same age and he's in the NBA. Chandler has similar kinds of atheltic ability as Ariza, but he's a much smoother player. That comes off as him not having a great motor, but he just seems to be in more control of his motions. He sneaks up on you like Mardy did. You think Mardy's moving slow and then he's by you and laying it up. Like Mardy he always seems to get there for a rebound, but he's just not as exciting as Balkman in terms of how it looks when he does these things. He's not flying out of control all over the court, but when he needs that burst of energy he's got plenty.

Wait, are you still basing your comments on Summer League??

That's awesome.

The fact that he doesn't have a great motor was based on his entire college career. Although I loved that whole "smooth" argument. That was great spin. Loved it.

No one is saying that they know Chandler will succeed, but I find you attitude about the guy a bit harsh. You're basically saying that you have a better handle on this kid than Isiah and his staff, who have a track record of success in judging talent and have had much more access and insight into what this kid can do. Meanwhile I have no idea of what your qualifications are or how it is you're making you particular assumptions. From everything i've read and seen this guy doesn't seem to be anything like you describe.

Now you could be right about Chandler, but I think you could be a bit less dismissive of the guy given that those who've seen the guy have a good opinion of him.

Just as a reminder i'll repost the Draft Express write up, mind you it's said that he's improved since the season ended and his game wasn't fully utilized, which we could see in summer league that his shot was much better than reported:

Chandler is a raw, but extremely promising hybrid forward with prototypical tools for the next level. Standing somewhere around 6-8, he passes the eye test and then some, with an awesome combination of size, length, and athleticism. He has a fantastic frame and unbelievable explosiveness, being able to make at least a few plays in each game that almost no players in this draft are capable of.

Not having scouted him all that seriously this past season (no one really expected to declare for the draft, let alone keep his name in), it was hard for us not to come away from watching his tapes recently feeling like he has more potential than anyone outside the top dozen names or so in this draft, and that we may have seriously slept on him these past few months.

The main attraction we found revolves around his unbelievable athleticism. Chandler runs the floor like a deer, with great quickness and big, long strides, being capable of getting off his feet for highlight reel caliber dunks with the great of ease, either in alleyoop fashion or for a thunderous putback dunk. DePaul in fact utilized a backdoor alleyoop play as a regular fixture in their playbook just for Chandler’s sake, and his guards knew that throwing the ball in his general direction around the rim would usually result in an easy assist.

Chandler is not a great finisher in terms of his post moves or finishing off the glass, something that gave us a great opportunity to check out his terrific second and third pogo-stick-esqe bounce off his feet for offensive rebounds, which would usually end up being converted in an eventual basket. Chandler is not quite as athletic as a super-freak dunk contest participant like Tyrus Thomas for example, but watching him on tape, he doesn’t really seem that far off either. Had he played for a program like LSU and made the Final Four the way Thomas did in 2006, we might be talking about him as a borderline lottery pick rather than as a borderline first round pick.

Watching him in the summer league, Chandler seems to be an above average athlete for an nba forward with good size and strength. He has a respectable jumper. He's a good rebounder for the 3 and a very good defensive player. He seems to have good basketball instincts. He needs to work on his ball handling, finishing and post-up skills, but he's not that bad in any of those areas.

I think we got good value in this pick and with the Nichols pick despite all the criticism just as we did with the Balkman and Collins picks last season.