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Nalod
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7/26/2007  9:49 AM

Ok, lets give the big man some love.

Why?

Has anyone asked him to be the key rebounder on a team? On bulls, he was paired with Chandler who was the weak side blocker and rebounder.

Eddy as a low post threat is a top 5 center in the league. He is unstopable at times.

Now what if his reduced role on offense allows him to focus on other parts of his game.

If your Isiah, is this your vision?

As a fan, with some kool aid in the veins, just a drop mind you, I can only hope that this is a plausable scenario and that with a bench full of coaches and Eddys contract secure that he expands his role and fills up some stats in assists, rebounds and some blocks.
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7/26/2007  9:56 AM
Positive Eddy vibes.... hmmm...

Well I'll say this, Nalod, you make an interesting point about Zack freeing him up to focus on other areas of his game (although I think there are issues with him needing that, let's put those aside).

If Eddy can focus more on passing out of the post and put more energy on defense because of the two-headed beast, then I'm all for it. I hope the kid has a great season and proves me wrong.
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7/26/2007  10:07 AM
All he has to do is contest a couple of shot in the paint. I'm not that concerned about rebounding stats because we have Zach and Lee/Balkman to clean up the board. All Eddy has to do is put his hand in their face when they try and shoot over him.
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7/26/2007  10:08 AM
My positive thing about Eddie. He is a beast that is tough to stop. With some effort he could be an all-star for years to come. It is all on him. The day he realizes this, is the day all the criticism goes away.
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7/26/2007  10:25 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

All he has to do is contest a couple of shot in the paint. I'm not that concerned about rebounding stats because we have Zach and Lee/Balkman to clean up the board. All Eddy has to do is put his hand in their face when they try and shoot over him.

If you add passing out to the post to what you said, then I agree. Although it would be nice if Eddy rebounded, we have a strong rebounding team, so rebounding hasn't been as big a concern with him.

I think passing out of the post is going to be huge. Eddy has to remember, if he learns nothing else, is if he's getting doubled, that means that SOMEONE is open. There's no question; SOMEONE is open. It's a guarantee unless the ref is Tim Donaghy, who may have let an extra player or three on the court if he has a bet going (tee hee). Anyway, it also means that there's a decent chance the guy open is Zach... or a shooter or slasher. Huge opportunities. If he can do that and we put someone like Nichols on the floor (who I'm hoping gets some burn), we could have a dynamite combination where Eddy or Zach passes to the open man for a three.

The good of a combination of Zach being here, Eddy improving (hopefully!) and a shooter or two who can hit open shots would be dynamite for teams trying to play us. Think about this, a team playing us has the options: We could double team Eddy or Zach, but then a shooter is open AND they look to pass out of the post. We could play single coverage, but then there's two beasts in the post.

I really hope Nichols plays, because regardless of Eddy, Zach CAN pass out of the post and I like that aspect of things.

See, Solace is positive in this thread. Honestly, I do have a lot of excitement over this coming season. I like the kids; I hope they play. I hope the vets that aren't doing it for us get reduced roles. I hope our "stars" improve and put in full effort every night. And I really really hope Zach keeps it together and turns around his life for the better, because he's a very good basketball player who can help us.
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7/26/2007  10:39 AM
He has improved his passing off the double teams, but not as much as he needs to. He needs to continue to work on that and on d. Nalod's point about Zach helping on o, will free him up to do more on d is a good point. I'd like to see that happen.

A key factor in his game is his ability to lose weight. Someone posted a message from a Bulls fan that when he saw Curry he looked thinner. If that's the case, there's hope.

My guess is that he continues to improve as he did last season, but doesn't become as good as we're all hoping he will.
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7/26/2007  10:42 AM
Eddy will regress this year. Bank on it.
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7/26/2007  10:46 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Eddy will regress this year. Bank on it.

Hey, Even I gave a reason for a possible positive scenario so why not back up your scenario of regression besides the easy "fat lazy big ass" that he has been labeled thus far?

Lets talk basketball here just on this tread.

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7/26/2007  10:52 AM
Its quite possible, almost probable that you will see a dip in Eddy's numbers. Thats bound to happen when you add an 20-10 guy to the lineup. If Eddy can pass well out of the double I'd be happy.
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7/26/2007  10:53 AM
Zach will take up shots and looks that Eddy would have gotten last year. Eddy's shots and scoring will most likely go down. Eddy has always been known to disappear when he isn't involved with the offense. That's because brings very little else to the table when he isn't scoring.

A lot of people are going to start turning on Isiah if he doesn't win this year. This year Isiah can't start James to cover up for Curry's inadequacies. If Curry doesn't start playing better overall, which I don't think he magically starts doing in his 7th season, then Isiah will be forced to get on him and Curry will likely take umbrage with it and disappear even more.
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7/26/2007  11:10 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Zach will take up shots and looks that Eddy would have gotten last year. Eddy's shots and scoring will most likely go down. Eddy has always been known to disappear when he isn't involved with the offense. That's because brings very little else to the table when he isn't scoring.

A lot of people are going to start turning on Isiah if he doesn't win this year. This year Isiah can't start James to cover up for Curry's inadequacies. If Curry doesn't start playing better overall, which I don't think he magically starts doing in his 7th season, then Isiah will be forced to get on him and Curry will likely take umbrage with it and disappear even more.

That Isiah force fed Curry stuff is just a joke. His possesions per 40 minutes last season under Isiah were not very different than the previous year under Larry Brown. It was 1.8 more possesions per 40 minutes under Isiah. The difference was he played more minutes and reduced his offensive fouls becoming much more efficient.Thats why he led the NBA in points in the paint (commanding nightly double/triple teams) and once again was one of the NBA best at points per shot.

2005/2006 possesions per 40 minutes were 21.3
2006/2007 possesions per 40 minutes were 23.1



[Edited by - COSSUCKS on 07-26-2007 11:14 AM]
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7/26/2007  11:32 AM
Posted by Solace:

I hope the kid has a great season and proves me wrong.

All jokes aside, this is so nice to hear. All the Lover vs. Hater garbage can distract from the fact that we all wantthe best
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7/26/2007  11:34 AM
Well for starters it's EY Curry and he's going to have problems producing this yr, it's just that simple. Some of us are failing to understand in order to be a productive player, particularly in the post you need a lot of looks on offense. The more we try to feed both of these players the greater chance one of their production will dip. Not to mention the more either of these two player put up shots that means less of a balanced attack on the perimeter. These guys aren't passers although Zach can at times deliver a dime or two. They are scorers and that's going to be their mentality, it's foolish for us to think otherwise. You also have to factor one of them is going to be off from time to time and get frustrated very easily because their floor space in the paint will be reduced. This season will produce a lot of hurt feelings and I think some are going to feel betrayed. I don't understand why I SAY UGH felt the need to acquire Zach if EY along with a healthy squad were a lock to make the playoffs last yr coupled with EY's supposed All-Star/Superstar potential?


I think a more reasonable question is can Zach and EY both give this team 17/8?


Zach and Sheed weren't that good together I don't know what makes us think he and EY will be.


Sheed/Zach during the 2003-2004 season were respectively

17/7
20/10


And we know Sheed of 03-04 was better than the Curry of today. Better two-way and off the ball/weakside versatile player than Curry. The Blazers were a below .500 team with that frontcourt tandem. Then when Sheed was traded for Ratliff and Reef those two added to Zach's game didn't produce a playoff appearance. They won a little more after the trade getting to .500 mainly because of adding Ratliff's defensive game to Zach's offensive. Ratliff was producing 3bks/gm. There is no one on our team even close to Ratliff defensively.


I know for a fact teams are going to play to let Zach beat us.
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7/26/2007  8:53 PM
Posted by ActionJackson:
Posted by Solace:

I hope the kid has a great season and proves me wrong.

I got to this post and started believing...then truevlue reminded me what a hater really is.

thanks again true.

All jokes aside, this is so nice to hear. All the Lover vs. Hater garbage can distract from the fact that we all wantthe best

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7/27/2007  10:38 AM

I thought Eddy had his best season last year.
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7/27/2007  11:12 AM
Curry has all the physical tools to be a stud rebounder shotblocker. So it is possible for him to become good in these areas. The question I have though is does he have that type of awarness & timing to be good in those areas? Does he lack understanding on how to be great in those areas? Does he lack the instincts? Him having better conditioning would be a big boost.
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7/27/2007  11:23 AM
I think with better timing and awareness he could be a great rebounder. But he could be a good rebounder just by upping his effort level. Like Skiles said "try jumping". He could improve his rebounding overnight just like Marbs improved his defense. It's all about effort, he already has the tools.

As for the shotblocking that is definitely harder to improve. Timing is very important and some guys just don't have it. Ewing gave effort, attacked every shot and was a very good shotblocker, but what kept him from the Drob, Mark EAton type levels was a lack of timing. Can Curry improve this? yes. With better effort could he be a better shot blocker? Of course. But a great shotblocker, I'm not sure.
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