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First off blasting the NBA would devalue his interests.

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heroes ? I would call them matry's for the govt.

They were heros. They saved many Americans lives by not sitting back but getting up and fighting back against those maggot highjackers. If they didnt that plane would have been crashed in to a building like the others.

The maggot that made this film says they never made those calls to their loved ones. He insinuates that the calls to the loved ones were faked by some computer technology from los almos. Its ridiculous like Los Almos had their voices to begin with. The maggot that made the film also implies they are all still alive somewhere. That the flt 93 plane never crashed and instead landed in Cleveland.

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Posted by playa2:

heroes ? I would call them matry's for the govt.

The maggot that made this film says they never made those calls to their loved ones. He insinuates that the calls to the loved ones were faked by some computer technology from los almos. Its ridiculous like Los Almos had their voices to begin with.

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Posted by playa2:

heroes ? I would call them matry's for the govt.

The maggot that made this film says they never made those calls to their loved ones. He insinuates that the calls to the loved ones were faked by some computer technology from los almos. Its ridiculous like Los Almos had their voices to begin with.

When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing



By William M. Arkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Monday, Feb. 1, 1999

"Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.

At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.

But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.

Steiner was hardly the first or last victim to be spoofed by Papcun's team members. To refine their method, they took various high quality recordings of generals and experimented with creating fake statements. One of the most memorable is Colin Powell stating "I am being treated well by my captors."

"They chose to have him say something he would never otherwise have said," chuckled one of Papcun's colleagues.



Most Americans were introduced to the tricks of the digital age in the movie Forrest Gump, when the character played by Tom Hanks appeared to shake hands with President Kennedy.
For Hollywood, it is special effects. For covert operators in the U.S. military and intelligence agencies, it is a weapon of the future.

"Once you can take any kind of information and reduce it into ones and zeros, you can do some pretty interesting things," says Daniel T. Kuehl, chairman of the Information Operations department of the National Defense University in Washington, the military's school for information warfare.
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PSYOPS seeks to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations.



Digital morphing — voice, video, and photo — has come of age, available for use in psychological operations. PSYOPS, as the military calls it, seek to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations to pursue national and battlefield objectives.

To some, PSYOPS is a backwater military discipline of leaflet dropping and radio propaganda. To a growing group of information war technologists, it is the nexus of fantasy and reality. Being able to manufacture convincing audio or video, they say, might be the difference in a successful military operation or coup.

Allah on the Holodeck



Pentagon planners started to discuss digital morphing after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Covert operators kicked around the idea of creating a computer-faked videotape of Saddam Hussein crying or showing other such manly weaknesses, or in some sexually compromising situation. The nascent plan was for the tapes to be flooded into Iraq and the Arab world.
The tape war never proceeded, killed, participants say, by bureaucratic fights over jurisdiction, skepticism over the technology, and concerns raised by Arab coalition partners.

What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad?

But the "strategic" PSYOPS scheming didn't die. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad urging the Iraqi people and Army to rise up against Saddam, a senior Air Force officer asked in 1990?

According to a military physicist given the task of looking into the hologram idea, the feasibility had been established of projecting large, three-dimensional objects that appeared to float in the air.

But doing so over the skies of Iraq? To project such a hologram over Baghdad on the order of several hundred feet, they calculated, would take a mirror more than a mile square in space, as well as huge projectors and power sources.

And besides, investigators came back, what does Allah look like?

The Gulf War hologram story might be dismissed were it not the case that washingtonpost.com has learned that a super secret program was established in 1994 to pursue the very technology for PSYOPS application. The "Holographic Projector" is described in a classified Air Force document as a system to "project information power from space ... for special operations deception missions."

Voice-morphing? Fake video? Holographic projection? They sound more like Mission Impossible and Star Trek gimmicks than weapons. Yet for each, there are corresponding and growing research efforts as the technologies improve and offensive information warfare expands.
Whereas early voice morphing required cutting and pasting speech to put letters or words together to make a composite, Papcun's software developed at Los Alamos can far more accurately replicate the way one actually speaks. Eliminated are the robotic intonations.

The irony is that after Papcun finished his speech cloning research, there were no takers in the military. Luckily for him, Hollywood is interested: The promise of creating a virtual Clark Gable is mightier than the sword.

Video and photo manipulation has already raised profound questions of authenticity for the journalistic world. With audio joining the mix, it is not only journalists but also privacy advocates and the conspiracy-minded who will no doubt ponder the worrisome mischief that lurks in the not too distant future.

"We already know that seeing isn't necessarily believing," says Dan Kuehl, "now I guess hearing isn't either."

William M. Arkin, author of "The U.S. Military Online," is a leading expert on national security and the Internet. He lectures and writes on nuclear weapons, military matters and information warfare. An Army intelligence analyst from 1974-1978, Arkin currently consults for Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive, MSNBC and the Natural Resources Defense Coun

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heroes ? I would call them matry's for the govt.

They were heros. They saved many Americans lives by not sitting back but getting up and fighting back against those maggot highjackers. If they didnt that plane would have been crashed in to a building like the others.

The maggot that made this film says they never made those calls to their loved ones. He insinuates that the calls to the loved ones were faked by some computer technology from los almos. Its ridiculous like Los Almos had their voices to begin with. The maggot that made the film also implies they are all still alive somewhere. That the flt 93 plane never crashed and instead landed in Cleveland.

I thought Loose change asked a lot of good questions.

The flight 93 question was a good one. When they showed the crash scene and the lack of plane debris. The county coroner could not fine any evidence of any human remains and no wreckage. What plane crash site ever lacks any remains of anything?? There was just a crater.

THe documentry also says the actual plane (call letters) is still in service. Is that desputable? It either is or its not.

Now if both those facts are true, then were the hell are the bodies? People?

I hate to think of them less than heroes also, but there is a answer for this?

I generally don't get into the conspiricy thing but this one kinda bugs me.

I am of the belief our county is basically isolationist and needed motivation by our gov't to enter the Spanish-American war, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, "Desert storm" (such a cool war!) and Iraq. The sinking of the Maine in Havana harbor, Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, Kuwait invaision (not direct) and 9/11 are all linked to the fact we had knowlege or created/exploited such disasters to motivate our country to emotional action. And it might also stand to reason the gov't was not incorrect in its actions.

9/11 was awful, and perhaps if it did not happen we might have been faced with a far larger crisis by the "evil doers" had we not been able to clamp down and do what we have done. Dirty bomb or biological event? Body count would be far worse than 9/11.

If so, then flt 93 and others did not die in vain.

Loose change did not dicuss "why", just the amazing appearance of inconsistant events. The implosion of the twin towers are one very large question.

Nalod I notice they didn't comment on your controversial post that is quite accurate IMHO. THIS WOULDN'T BE A RACIAL THING WOULD IT?