[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Comparing two trades - one for Curry and the other for Randolph
Author Thread
Ira
Posts: 24695
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 8/14/2001
Member: #91
7/20/2007  6:27 AM
I was just thinking this morning about both of these trades. In both trades, we acquired young, high scoring big men. But in the Curry trade we gave up Sweetney an unprotected first, the right to trade up for an unprotected first and two seconds. In the Randolph trade, we gave up Frye and got rid of Francis.

In the first trade, we got a good player but gave up more than we had to. No one else wanted Curry and Chicago didn't want to keep him. In the second trade, we drove a good bargain giving up a former first that was having problems. Similarly, in negotiations for Artest, we've indicated that we're not giving up any of our best young players.

All this makes me think that Isaiah may have learned a lesson from the Curry deal and has decided to be a tougher negotiator. I hope that's true.
AUTOADVERT
TheGame
Posts: 26658
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/15/2006
Member: #1154
USA
7/20/2007  7:28 AM
Agreed. Really, IT's drafting has been IMO above average considering where we have been drafting. Frye might be his only failure and even Frye has talent and may turn into a solid NBA player.

This last trade for Randolph was a steal in light of what we gave up. We basically acquired an all-star level PF for a guy we did not want and a second year player that looked like he would only be a decent role player. The reality is that there was no way this team was going to be significantly under the cap. We might have been near the cap or even slightly below it, but to sign a Lebron or Wade, you need to be $13-$15 million under the cap, which IMO was never going to happen. IT's approach is actually a better strategy because we now have a team full of quality young players to help us do a sign and trade for a superstar player.

Also, getting Nichols for a future second round pick will be the steal of this draft. The kid is a lights out shooter and has some ability to put the ball on the floor. Moreover, unlike most sharpshooters, he can actually play defense. This guy is going to be a solid rotation player for us in the future. To get him for a second round pick is a steal.

In fact, the only thing IT has done transaction wise in the past year that I took exception to was the signing of Jeffries.

Overall, IT is showing some significant improvement in his decision-making.
Trust the Process
Silverfuel
Posts: 31751
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 6/27/2002
Member: #268
USA
7/20/2007  7:39 AM
The Randolph trade was a steal, the Curry trade could've been the worst trade in history but was avoided.
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Michael6835
Posts: 21319
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 12/12/2004
Member: #828
7/20/2007  8:05 AM
Does anyone think Nichols has the chance to be a potential all-star ?
I look at his body type and the way he plays, he looks to me like he could develop into a real player. He has the confidence to take on that role, he said in an interview that he was going to make everyone that skipped him sorry they didn't pick him.
I hope he makes the rotation.
M
Solace
Posts: 30004
Alba Posts: 20
Joined: 10/30/2003
Member: #479
USA
7/20/2007  8:29 AM
I'm not sure that Isiah learned his lesson as much as that the price tag was just lower. From what it sounded like, there wasn't a lot of competition from eastern teams trying to get Randolph... and the Blazers weren't trading Zack to a west team.
The Knicks 2026 NBA Champions!
arkrud
Posts: 32217
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 8/31/2005
Member: #995
USA
7/20/2007  8:56 AM
The Zack trade results will be clear ufter the next season.
So far Eddy trade produced nothing to improve the team. For Zack... will see.
I am interested to see if Zack will help winning more games to make my judgment.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
Pharzeone
Posts: 32183
Alba Posts: 14
Joined: 2/11/2005
Member: #871
7/20/2007  9:03 AM
Posted by Solace:

I'm not sure that Isiah learned his lesson as much as that the price tag was just lower. From what it sounded like, there wasn't a lot of competition from eastern teams trying to get Randolph... and the Blazers weren't trading Zack to a west team.

I am confuse weren't the Nets interested? I heard rumors that Miami was also interested in Randolph as well.
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
MS
Posts: 27065
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/28/2004
Member: #724
7/20/2007  9:23 AM
This happens all the time, smart men wait they don't say:

1. Wait I can get Marburys 70 million left on his deal, take on 45 million for a broken down Hardaway, and then give you guys four picks.......this is too good to be true

2. You mean no one wants Jamal Crawford, I have to give him a seven year deal immediately, thank his agent for already overpaying his client (taking on 21 million owed to JYD and just for fun) by giving Vin Baker the mid-level so he can over eat and keep drinking his prime away......I can't believe i have only spent close to 150 million for Marbury, Hardaway and Crawford

3. I was thinking Nazar is a big man with a lot of value because he is expring, i probably won't be able to resign him for anything under 8 million, why don't i take on Malik Rose and his terrible deal in exchange i will swap picks and move up two spots in the draft and then make moves to bring in under inspired players to fill his shoes.....i can't be bothered to buy picks that don't count against the salary cap........

4. Jerome James and Jared Jefferies, I better lock these guys up for the full midlevel even though they bring nothing to the table, why not give them five years, just in case Jefferies isn't tradeable to begin with, lets give him a trade kicker.......

5. I am really starting to enjoy giving teams cap space, lets take 50 million off of orlandos hands and not get rid of any of the guards on the team. Just think what would have happend if the gm in orlando actually had a brain to resign darko, give gerald wallace a deal instead of rashard lewis a deal ensuring grant hill would stay.....

6. I sure hope the bulls enjoy their two lottery selection and flexible cap, i just brought in a guy for nothing much like the hornets did for chandler, the warriors did for davis, but those guys weren't accused of anal rapping a women in their sleep......

It doesn't matter anyway just as long as i keep laughing and smiling no one will realize i just ****ed the entire salary cap up for the next decade........

But this was actually a great trade, it would have been nice to put Zach next to someone that actually has a passion for the game, can block shots and rebound. I am surprised that philly didn't make more of a push to get the guy he would have been great for their team with sammy, iggy and miller.
franco12
Posts: 34069
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 2/19/2004
Member: #599
USA
7/20/2007  9:31 AM
that might be an extreme reading

The fact is Zach is getting a ton of dough on his contract.

As opposed to Curry who actually has almost a reasonable contract & can opt out.

I wouldn't say the Zach deal is better.
Solace
Posts: 30004
Alba Posts: 20
Joined: 10/30/2003
Member: #479
USA
7/20/2007  9:33 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Solace:

I'm not sure that Isiah learned his lesson as much as that the price tag was just lower. From what it sounded like, there wasn't a lot of competition from eastern teams trying to get Randolph... and the Blazers weren't trading Zack to a west team.

I am confuse weren't the Nets interested? I heard rumors that Miami was also interested in Randolph as well.

If you believe every media report, perhaps. But my honest feeling is no. If I'm the Blazers and someone offers Richard Jefferson for Zack Randolph, I do the trade without thinking.
The Knicks 2026 NBA Champions!
MS
Posts: 27065
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/28/2004
Member: #724
7/20/2007  9:36 AM
Yea I thought they would have done that as well which would have been a great deal for jersey and portland would have been able to put five solid starters out there....
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
7/20/2007  10:16 AM
Michael - Nichols will be good, but I have feeling Wilson Chandler is the All-Star in waiting.


Once Chandler finds his voice, along with some extra study hall, it could get intetesting. When you see him in person, you will appreciate his skill set. He knows where he is on the floor.
once a knick always a knick
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
7/20/2007  11:25 AM
The Curry trade was risky only in that Oden was in play. He's the only bigman that I felt was likely worth more than Curry. The other players we gave up due to the picks are debatable. If you're Isiah and you feel 100% confident that Curry is the player you need for your franchise, then you get him. Picks are only potential. There are no guarantees with them.

Zach was a no brainer in terms of what we gave up to get him. Isiah is likely confident that he can get both of them to mesh and that he won't suffer much from their lack of Help defensive effort. If he's successful this team will move up a lot in the East. He's been drafting for guys that can defend and the last draft he got 2 way players at that. IMO the team looks setup for a nice 4-6 year run with the youth we have.
JohnWallace44
Posts: 25119
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 6/14/2005
Member: #910
USA
7/20/2007  12:59 PM
Posted by Michael6835:

Does anyone think Nichols has the chance to be a potential all-star ?
I look at his body type and the way he plays, he looks to me like he could develop into a real player. He has the confidence to take on that role, he said in an interview that he was going to make everyone that skipped him sorry they didn't pick him.
I hope he makes the rotation.

If he gets a handle, then the sky's the limit
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
arkrud
Posts: 32217
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 8/31/2005
Member: #995
USA
7/20/2007  1:39 PM
Posted by nixluva:

The Curry trade was risky only in that Oden was in play. He's the only bigman that I felt was likely worth more than Curry. The other players we gave up due to the picks are debatable. If you're Isiah and you feel 100% confident that Curry is the player you need for your franchise, then you get him. Picks are only potential. There are no guarantees with them.

Zach was a no brainer in terms of what we gave up to get him. Isiah is likely confident that he can get both of them to mesh and that he won't suffer much from their lack of Help defensive effort. If he's successful this team will move up a lot in the East. He's been drafting for guys that can defend and the last draft he got 2 way players at that. IMO the team looks setup for a nice 4-6 year run with the youth we have.

One no brainer resulted in 33, 23, and 33
Another will result in ???
If one has no brain he must go for nobrainer...
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/20/2007  3:21 PM
Man, we should have possibly Oden or Durant plus Zach, Lee, Balkman, and Roy or Rudy Gay right now!

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 07-20-2007 3:22 PM]
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
7/23/2007  8:45 AM
in the Curry trade we got a young C with tons of upside that we desperately needed at the time but who had a questionable heart condition... to say no other teams wanted him is pretty much speculation... in the Zach trade we got a young talented PF that wasn't our biggest need that's also making a max contract for the next 4 years that carries a ton of baggage along with him off the court... to say we got him on the cheap because no other team wanted him is pretty fair i'd say, considering the price we paid for him.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
Comparing two trades - one for Curry and the other for Randolph

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy