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Anji
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7/18/2007  6:01 PM
Zach, Rose and 1st pick (top 3 protected) for YI, Dan Gadzuric and Bobby Simmons.




Curry/Morris/Gadz
Lee/YI/Gadz
Q/Simmons/Balkman
JC/N8/JJ2
Marbury/Collins

Chandler, Nichols
cut Jerome James, Fred Jones, Dan Dickau

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7/18/2007  6:10 PM
no more picks
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7/18/2007  6:12 PM
Why give away a 20-10 player and a lotto pick for a player who not only do I think is a bit overrated right now, but to play back-up PF in your lineup?
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7/18/2007  6:28 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

Why give away a 20-10 player and a lotto pick for a player who not only do I think is a bit overrated right now, but to play back-up PF in your lineup?

Yeah, I don't see how that get you more wins. Lee is not offensively better than Zach, similar in rebounding numbers though Lee is a better rebounder and they are both defensively weak in the post.
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7/18/2007  6:29 PM
There is no need to trade Zach for 2 guys to play backup? If we trade Zach it better be for a big time player.

Why trade Zach for YI and we don't even know how he will deal with adjusting to the NBA? Not only that, but Bobby Simmons has not produced since he played good that one year.


Really how many games do you think this team can win with Yi as a backup?



[Edited by - BigC on 07-18-2007 6:30 PM]

[Edited by - BigC on 07-18-2007 6:30 PM]
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7/18/2007  6:29 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by bigbeast:

Why give away a 20-10 player and a lotto pick for a player who not only do I think is a bit overrated right now, but to play back-up PF in your lineup?

Yeah, I don't see how that get you more wins. Lee is not offensively better than Zach, similar in rebounding numbers though Lee is a better rebounder and they are both defensively weak in the post.

I guess it all depends on how good you think Yi is.
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7/18/2007  6:33 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by bigbeast:

Why give away a 20-10 player and a lotto pick for a player who not only do I think is a bit overrated right now, but to play back-up PF in your lineup?

Yeah, I don't see how that get you more wins. Lee is not offensively better than Zach, similar in rebounding numbers though Lee is a better rebounder and they are both defensively weak in the post.

I guess it all depends on how good you think Yi is.

But he has Yi as a backup. How many minutes would Yi get on this team with Lee, Balkman, Jeffries, Chandler, and Morris. If Lee started he probably would be playing like 34 minutes.

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7/18/2007  6:36 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by bigbeast:

Why give away a 20-10 player and a lotto pick for a player who not only do I think is a bit overrated right now, but to play back-up PF in your lineup?

Yeah, I don't see how that get you more wins. Lee is not offensively better than Zach, similar in rebounding numbers though Lee is a better rebounder and they are both defensively weak in the post.

I guess it all depends on how good you think Yi is.

But he has Yi as a backup. How many minutes would Yi get on this team with Lee, Balkman, Jeffries, Chandler, and Morris. If Lee started he probably would be playing like 34 minutes.

I'm not saying I agree with the trade proposal, but Yi is a rookie. You could argue that Yi could need a year of NBA experience before being a starter.
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7/18/2007  7:10 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by bigbeast:

Why give away a 20-10 player and a lotto pick for a player who not only do I think is a bit overrated right now, but to play back-up PF in your lineup?

Yeah, I don't see how that get you more wins. Lee is not offensively better than Zach, similar in rebounding numbers though Lee is a better rebounder and they are both defensively weak in the post.

I guess it all depends on how good you think Yi is.

But he has Yi as a backup. How many minutes would Yi get on this team with Lee, Balkman, Jeffries, Chandler, and Morris. If Lee started he probably would be playing like 34 minutes.

I'm not saying I agree with the trade proposal, but Yi is a rookie. You could argue that Yi could need a year of NBA experience before being a starter.

Here is the thing, we could assume that Yi will get better his second year, but who's to say that Lee and Balkman will not get better either. At some point we have to start thinking about winning games not just the development of players. I really doubt Isiah would play Yi over Lee and Balkman. Also Chandler is not a player to be sleeping on.

This still goes back to why would we make this trade and how does does this trade benefit the Knicks?

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7/18/2007  7:17 PM
Posted by BigC:

Here is the thing, we could assume that Yi will get better his second year, but who's to say that Lee and Balkman will not get better either. At some point we have to start thinking about winning games not just the development of players. I really doubt Isiah would play Yi over Lee and Balkman. Also Chandler is not a player to be sleeping on.

This still goes back to why would we make this trade and how does does this trade benefit the Knicks?

Your assumption is that Zack, Lee and Balkman are all better than Yi, so Yi wouldn't be the eventual starter. I think many would disagree with that view.

I agree that as some point you stop looking to players to develop to be your savior... since we're a 33 win team with no franchise player, I don't think we've hit that point.

That being said, is Yi a fit? I don't know. If we say Curry is our franchise player, and we have Zack and Lee... I don't know that we need Yi, unless that trio isn't going to man the PF and C spots for the next 3-5 years.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 18 2007 7:20 PM]
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7/18/2007  7:30 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by BigC:

Here is the thing, we could assume that Yi will get better his second year, but who's to say that Lee and Balkman will not get better either. At some point we have to start thinking about winning games not just the development of players. I really doubt Isiah would play Yi over Lee and Balkman. Also Chandler is not a player to be sleeping on.

This still goes back to why would we make this trade and how does does this trade benefit the Knicks?



Your assumption is that Zack, Lee and Balkman are all better than Yi, so Yi wouldn't be the eventual starter. I think many would disagree with that view.

I agree that as some point you stop looking to players to develop to be your savior... since we're a 33 win team with no franchise player, I don't think we've hit that point.

I think that Yi has game. He can post, shoot, can create his own shot. What I think is that on this Knicks team he will not have time to develop like he could on a team that has an open spot at the pf. We are already stacked with players. At the end of the day Isiah will only care about winning. It might be a situation where Yi is on this team one year and is gone the next.

Do you see Yi being able to take the starting spot from Lee if Lee started? Because as a team you have to look at what does that player bring to the table that other players don't.


[Edited by - BigC on 07-18-2007 7:32 PM]
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7/18/2007  7:34 PM
Posted by BigC:

I think that Yi has game. He can post, shoot, can create his own shot. What I think is that on this Knicks team he will not have time to develop like he could on a team that has an open spot at the pf. We are already stacked with players. At the end of the day Isiah will only care about winning. It might be a situation where Yi is on this team one year and is gone the next.

Do you see Yi being about to take the starting spot from Lee if Lee started? Because as a team you have to look at what does that player bring to the table that other players don't.

Honestly, undecided. I have seen very little of Yi playing. I know some reports from a few years ago were mixed. Now people seem very high on him. I'm not sure what I see Yi becoming. Some see Yi becoming a star in the league, though... so as I said, it all depends on your view of Yi. If Yi is all he's cracked up to be, yes, it's entirely possible he could take the starting spot from Lee if he were here. That being said, if we're giving up another potential lottery pick (which it would probably be, without Zack), plus Zack, then we better be sure he's the real deal.
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7/18/2007  7:39 PM
If I will be Dolan I will never even think about it
Yi is money - A LOT OF Chinies MONEY.
Zack is a lot of LOST MONEY
Owner must be dumb to not go for this
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7/18/2007  7:41 PM
I dunno. How could I say yes to giving up that much when I know so little of Yi? Seems like a risky deal to me.
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7/18/2007  7:42 PM
I would say more.
It can be a plan - get useless Z-bo just to recover Chinese money cow from Mil
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7/18/2007  7:47 PM
Yi has major bust potential written all over him.
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7/18/2007  7:48 PM
Come on, Yi is going to be nothing and New York would have no patience with him.
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7/18/2007  7:50 PM
Posted by Anji:

Zach, Rose and 1st pick (top 3 protected) for YI, Dan Gadzuric and Bobby Simmons.




Curry/Morris/Gadz
Lee/YI/Gadz
Q/Simmons/Balkman
JC/N8/JJ2
Marbury/Collins

Chandler, Nichols
cut Jerome James, Fred Jones, Dan Dickau

i'd easily trade Zach's disgusting contract, but not that pick, because there's a good chance if we make that deal that we'll finish in the lottery again next season... i think Yi's going to be good, but if he's a bust that pick will come back to haunt you later.

i don't see a match for NY to bring Yi here... i think he's going to a team out West... either HOU or GS is my best guess.
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7/18/2007  8:11 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Anji:

Zach, Rose and 1st pick (top 3 protected) for YI, Dan Gadzuric and Bobby Simmons.




Curry/Morris/Gadz
Lee/YI/Gadz
Q/Simmons/Balkman
JC/N8/JJ2
Marbury/Collins

Chandler, Nichols
cut Jerome James, Fred Jones, Dan Dickau

i'd easily trade Zach's disgusting contract, but not that pick, because there's a good chance if we make that deal that we'll finish in the lottery again next season... i think Yi's going to be good, but if he's a bust that pick will come back to haunt you later.

i don't see a match for NY to bring Yi here... i think he's going to a team out West... either HOU or GS is my best guess.

Good points. The only thing is I don't think Zach's contract is that outrageous for a guy that gets 20 and 10. If you look around the league at players that get his numbers he is getting paid the least. He will make 13 mil this year while J Oneal will make 19 mil and J Oneal get's injuried all the time. We would have been paying that bum Francis 16 mil this year for nothing. Zach will only be seeing 16 mil at the end of his contract.

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