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7/17/2007  6:14 AM
"Most people take the easy road because it's easier to look at the cover and think you know what's up or believe what somebody else said."

And some people take the easy road by having other people do their work and then attaching their name to it. Has that excuse ever worked for a student caught plagiarizing
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"They used to say I never smiled. Now when I smile because I'm happy they say I'm drunk or I'm high or have some type of problem."

It's not because "you" were smiling, it's because "you" were acting like "you" had just done more cocaine than Tony Montana. Lots of people smile, not many people act that erratic and unstable without the aid of some chemicals.
Ok, the absolute best part of this second blog is how dumbed down it is compared to the first one. Unbelievably hysterical. I dare someone to compare the 2 and say it was done by the same Knicks PR staffer.

I'd like to nominate Payless Shoes for the Nobel Peace Prize. Their business model has been providing affordable shoes to the underprivileged for a profit, even before it became confused with charity work.

Posted by: islesfan on July 17, 2007 01:04 AM

link: http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/archives/2007/07/the_starbury_bl_1.html

Holy cow, this islesfan is something else. Who has time to spew this much unbalanced venom? Anyone who can make me wanna punch them in the face just from typing a few paragraphs has to be a superior caliber of azhole.

Starbury is making an effort. He's far from perfect on the court. He's farther from perfect off the court. As a knick fan, I wish he spent the entire summer in the gym instead of hawking his apparel line. But as a man I like what he's trying to accomplish, both socially and as an entrepreneur.



[Edited by - tru on 07-17-2007 06:16 AM]
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7/17/2007  7:29 AM
Isles is such a loser it isnt even funny, dude needs to get a life
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7/17/2007  9:12 AM
Posted by NYK3:

Isles is such a loser it isnt even funny, dude needs to get a life

Oh come on, it's funny.
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7/17/2007  9:14 AM
TRU, you left out my other comment:

Compare and contrast these 2 quotes about how Marbury met some of his fans.

This is from the first blog:

"I signed autographs for two straight hours in Baltimore, the line was so long. One of the highlights for me was meeting one of my biggest fans who came all the way from Spain. His name is Jon and he's 17-years-old."

This is from the second blog:

"It was crazy. The kid 720 with the crazy hops was there and dudes like "AO'' who used to be down with And 1. They were all rockin' Starbury gear. Starbury is locking down the streetball game too."

This is so funny I seriously can't stop laughing
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7/17/2007  9:16 AM
Posted by NYK3:

Isles is such a loser it isnt even funny, dude needs to get a life

Leave the name calling out of your posts please.
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7/17/2007  9:22 AM
People are only upset because Isles is right.
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7/17/2007  9:28 AM
I'm not an Isles fan but this blog does seem to be written in amuch different manner
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7/17/2007  9:28 AM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by NYK3:

Isles is such a loser it isnt even funny, dude needs to get a life

Leave the name calling out of your posts please.

LOL, it's pretty hard when he becomes part of the story of the post.
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7/17/2007  9:39 AM
Posted by Solace:

People are only upset because Isles is right.

Yeah, the blogs sound a little fake. Either someone else wrote them entirely, or Starbury was putting on "airs" when he wrote at least the first one. That's why it always pays to be yourself, first and foremost.

So, I'm not upset because isles is right; I agree with him. I take exception to anything that isn't genuine and Isles is a fake. There's no way he'd accuse Starbury of having "just done more cocaine than Tony Montana" directly. He doesn't even seem to be as angry as he pretends to be. He's playing a character for his own amusement at the expense of others. It's annoying and pathetic. It really makes me pity him.

Hopefully he's a 15-year-old boy with lots to learn about life and self respect. But even that wouldn't excuse some of his comments. It's a brand of insecurity that only a great deal of therapy can help. I wish him the best.



[Edited by - tru on 07-17-2007 09:40 AM]
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7/17/2007  9:46 AM
Posted by TRU:

There's no way he'd accuse Starbury of having "just done more cocaine than Tony Montana" directly.

Well technicially I did just that.
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7/17/2007  9:49 AM
Posted by TRU:
Posted by Solace:

People are only upset because Isles is right.

Yeah, the blogs sound a little fake. Either someone else wrote them entirely, or Starbury was putting on "airs" when he wrote at least the first one. That's why it always pays to be yourself, first and foremost.

So, I'm not upset because isles is right; I agree with him. I take exception to anything that isn't genuine and Isles is a fake. There's no way he'd accuse Starbury of having "just done more cocaine than Tony Montana" directly. He doesn't even seem to be as angry as he pretends to be. He's playing a character for his own amusement at the expense of others. It's annoying and pathetic. It really makes me pity him.

Hopefully he's a 15-year-old boy with lots to learn about life and self respect. But even that wouldn't excuse some of his comments. It's a brand of insecurity that only a great deal of therapy can help. I wish him the best.

Did you watch that interview? If you don't think Marbury was on drugs, then you think he's a complete and utter moron and possibly the dumbest person in the world (which, btw, is my view). So, you agree with me then. Great.
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7/17/2007  9:53 AM
I think Isles really does bring a point that Marbury has attached himself to this low price model sales model and all of a sudden he is bathed in the light of sainthood and getting a buzz off of it.

Now I would imagine there is a race thing also going on that it might appear to be antisemetic to challange Marburys philinthrapic baptismal but the fact remains we talking about a genious marketing plan that I would be interested in knowing the background on. Marbury is far from having any kind of intellect to create such a thing (his recent television ramblings), and bearly has verbal skills to improvise most statements if unrehearsed. Actually, our president has a similar low skill level himself.

Is calling Marbury out on this a racial thing? Seems that being critical of him is somehow saying that urban families that are struggling are not important? Or is Steve and Barry's, a chain with little urban exposure using marbury's tough street image (its fading) to market into that urban market and by using the philithrapic angle bring itself above approach? These guys built a model to sell to college town studants and now see the low income black market as a good one and wants to market to them.

Like I said, its phuching brilliant! How many white companies can be overtly targeting such a demographic and not be critisized for taking advantage of them in this day and age?

What I find SLIGHTY resentful and perhaps my only reason to comment on any of this is the amount of is the degree by which he is taking such credit for this.

At the same time, there is no real reason other than for discussions sake to cut him down as he is not doing anything bad or hurting anyone at all. It is a postitive thing he is doing but somehow he feels empowered by this burst of self goodness as if he has been vindicated for some kind of selfish living previously.

Again, I find no reason to cut him down (but being critical is different)and I doubt any journalist would do it either but I find his act ingenuine as its a response to validate his career and pay scale without having to be held accountable for his on court performance. He spouts leadership but does little to actually lead. In his rant the other day he goes off about stealing some shiney stuff but the little voice told him he can't talk about the team without time to prepare and in 12 seconds would not comment on the upcoming season.

While Ewing would get lambasted for his predictions, it was his leadership and desire that ran his mouth and he at least put his ass on the line and made a statement. While he could not back it up, it was not without true effort and hard work.

Marburys people found a way to promote his image more than anyone could have imagined. Maybe Steve and Barry's could kick themeselves for not getting a more national recognizable figure to spear head this marketing approach.

Marbury the personality and marketer of low price apparel is one thing, Marbury the basketball player is another. Since he even spouts that it all begins with basketball and at the same time shows less and less commitment to his craft, which is the only reason I even care about him, then its my opinion that he cares more about the court of public opinion than his game. And to me, his game is what counts most as a knick fan. ONce retired if he wants to sell what ever thats just fine, but don't hold yourself out as an angel when his whole career is marked with selfish antics that was a detrament to your team.

I want the knicks and Marbury to succeed not just at the box office, not as an entertainment company, and not as a marketing endorser for a low price apparal line, but with wins. Play meaningful games that amount to some kind of achievement that the fans can participate in.

The Knicks seem to be a shallow organization these days.

While IM not at the level of Isles to throw my self into this subject, his opinion is just that, an opinion and for the sake of good conversation lets just keep it to the subject.
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7/17/2007  10:01 AM
So, anybody think Marbury's PR makeover is working?

I think it is, in fits and starts. He needed a new image and this is definitely helping, but he's clearly not yet comfortable in his own skin. He's overly grandiose in everything he does. First he never smiles, now he's ebullient and boogying to keep him next to the light. First he's "selfish" now he leads a movement to "change the world".

When I try to think of others who've done the makeover I come up with George Forman. Before he got whooped by Ali in the Rumble In The Jungle, Foreman projected the meanest, surliest, most remote killing machine one would ever want to meet. But loosing to Ali destroyed his self image, he dropped out of boxing and found God, then reemerged as a smiling, cuddly minister of love. And through hawking his kitchen gadgets he's become incredibly rich and beloved.

Can Steph successfully make a similar transformation? He's taken the first step. He's certainly got a following, but then he always did. I think Marbury will improve his image, but I don't think he has the grace to go as far as Foreman did. It's one thing to be jovial and another to be cuckoo
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7/17/2007  10:04 AM
^^amen to that (Nalod's comments).

I believe that last season was one of Marbury's best, so I don't agree with your take on his devotion to his craft. I do know he's put up gaudy numbers over the last decade, so he isn't lazy. Professional, artistic and personal development are only achieved through hard work. It takes however long it takes and varies from person to person. Until he stinks it up this November, we don't have enough info to determine how committed he to winning this year. Like I said before, part of me wishes he was in a gym like Nate rather than on a bus.

But as for Isles, he's not submitting opinions (which would be cool). He's just mindlessly attacking (which is sad).

[Edited by - tru on 07-17-2007 10:05 AM]
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7/17/2007  10:07 AM
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Did you watch that interview? If you don't think Marbury was on drugs, then you think he's a complete and utter moron and possibly the dumbest person in the world (which, btw, is my view). So, you agree with me then. Great.

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7/17/2007  10:09 AM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by NYK3:

Isles is such a loser it isnt even funny, dude needs to get a life

Leave the name calling out of your posts please.

Leave the name calling out of a thread that glorifies name calling please.
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7/17/2007  10:09 AM
It is easy to throw tomatoes when your not on stage. There are some stars in the limelight that truly deserve critiscm who have crossed the line of the law or just act in abhorrent/immoral behavior--there are many names on the list. I haven't seen where Stephon Marbury has done anything that would promote such belligerent retorts. I think jealousy is a key factor is this overzealous rage.
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7/17/2007  10:40 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

It is easy to throw tomatoes when your not on stage. There are some stars in the limelight that truly deserve critiscm who have crossed the line of the law or just act in abhorrent/immoral behavior--there are many names on the list. I haven't seen where Stephon Marbury has done anything that would promote such belligerent retorts. I think jealousy is a key factor is this overzealous rage.

I agree briggs, And everything marbury has done, I commend him, even if you don't care for the person or what good deeds he has done, you can at least appreciate that it is something positive, even if it is to stroke his own ego, If someone less fortunate benefits, then I am all for it. Marbury has been doing great things in the community for years and he strikes me as a guy who cares, maybe he is not the best in front of the camera or the mic, maybe he is a little less polished as we would like, that may be true, but to spew such venom without any cause is just ridiculous. Again even if you don't care for that person and the good deeds he does, why such hate?

It just makes me wonder...
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7/17/2007  10:51 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

It is easy to throw tomatoes when your not on stage. There are some stars in the limelight that truly deserve critiscm who have crossed the line of the law or just act in abhorrent/immoral behavior--there are many names on the list. I haven't seen where Stephon Marbury has done anything that would promote such belligerent retorts. I think jealousy is a key factor is this overzealous rage.

Makes no sense. There are plenty of people with more to be jealous of than Marbury, and they're treated with respect.

I think it's because we believe Marbury has been bad for the Knicks and we want him gone.

It ain't that deep.
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7/17/2007  10:57 AM
I think Islefan may have crossed the line here. To me he comes off looking bad. I guess it's not that different from what he posts here every day, but the context - a comment on Marbury's blog page - makes it seem different somehow.


[Edited by - basketballjones on 07-17-2007 10:57]
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