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technomaster
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A rehash of an on-going topic. Are we doing a good job acquiring top players via trade? Or would we be better off trying to get under the salary cap to sign free agent players outright? Or is it best to tank for a few years with under-talented players/fake injuries and build through the draft? In my opinion, the trades we've been making have been remarkable given what we've given up to get the "names" we've acquired. We're using our draft picks and existing players to acquire big name players via trade. While people talk about how big/bad Randolph's contract is, he's a soon-to-be 25 "24/10" big man, not even in his prime yet. On the open market, don't you think that he'd probably demand (and get) a max deal? So we traded the shell that once was Francis (an "untradeable contract"), a #7 overall lottery pick in Channing Frye, and 2nd round pick for a proven max-contract-type player and some reasonable spare parts in Dickau/Jones/Nichols. Niiice. Eddy Curry/Antonio Davis for Tim Thomas/#2 overall pick/#9 overall pick isn't bad at all. The Bulls got super-lucky w/ the #2 overall pick (albeit in a very weak draft class), but overall, considering we didn't sign Curry to a max contract, we got a great deal on him. In all, I don't think getting under the cap needs to be a priority, especially when our team owner doesn't seem to mind paying the luxury tax. We're getting excellent players via trade anyway. At the same time, we're doing a deft job finding some gems late in the draft (I bet Isiah would have said he'd have drafted Chandler if we kept our lottery pick). And... regarding free agency, we scored a major coup in signing Free Agent Randolph Morris, all without needing to be under the salary cap.
Smart trades are the way to go! Hail Isiah!
Gotta get under the cap, cuz we could like get super free agent saviors.
Let's just be terrible and hope we get lucky with the lottery and the draft.
The cop out answer: A little of everything.
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islesfan
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7/11/2007  2:05 PM
Randolph is only a 24/10 guy on a young team with no other scoring options that would keep him from putting up every shot possible.

I don't see Randolph even averaging 20 next year. Both his and Curry's numbers are going to go down. 36ppg between them sounds about right.
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islesfan
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7/11/2007  2:07 PM
The Knicks are 2 years away from signing Curry to a Max contract. In no way can trading 2 lottery picks for Curry be called a "great deal".

I refuse to respond to this slanted poll.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
nyk4ever
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7/11/2007  2:16 PM
I picked getting under the cap.

With getting under the cap also brings a few crap seasons which also brings a bad record and the chance for some top draft picks. I'd much rather that than being limited to giving Vin Baker, Jerome James and Jared Jeffries the MLE because we're so far over the salary cap we could be over twice.
"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
Panos
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7/11/2007  2:17 PM
I don't understand why option #4 is a cop out?
You can make smart trades while you accrue lottery talent and get out of salary cap hell.

Now I'm not against being capped out. But if you are going to be capped out, you better have a contending team. Not one in the lottery.
VDesai
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7/11/2007  2:33 PM
The draft, the draft, the draft. You can consistently add 2 players every year this way.

The only way you can acquire assets that are valuable chips in trades anyway is the draft.

In a salary capped league (where everyone is capped at the same payroll), the only way to ensure you acquire more talent in the next guy is to pick better players in the draft. Easily the most cost effective in the current structure.

Free agency is nice, but only to fill in smaller pieces at the right costs. Most of the time when you go for a big piece you have to overpay and you have to outbid the players own team, which can pay much more than you can. Too often one player gets the bulk of it and you end up hamstrung anyway. I'd much rather use FA to have the flexibility to fill in 2-3 young pieces that can fill roles. Unfortunately Isiah has used the full MLE on guys that would've been ok signings at half the MLE or less.
islesfan
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7/11/2007  2:36 PM
Posted by Panos:

I don't understand why option #4 is a cop out?
You can make smart trades while you accrue lottery talent and get out of salary cap hell.

Now I'm not against being capped out. But if you are going to be capped out, you better have a contending team. Not one in the lottery.

You mean teams like the Blazers, Bulls and a few other teams that Isiah has helped out.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
TMS
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7/11/2007  4:08 PM
"Smart trades" are the key... the debate is what constitutes a smart trade & what doesn't.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
nixluva
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7/11/2007  4:52 PM
I have to go with Smart trades and solid drafting. Isiah has been the most active GM i've ever seen. He's most certainly the Anti Layden. Seeing what he's done with the MLE, signing James and Jared it's clear his best moves have been trades and the draft.

He's mostly built this team with Trades and a lot of draft picks. He also seems to find a good young FA on the cheap every year. He may not keep them but he does find them. DerMarr, Woods, Butler, Barnes, Udoka, Morris. I would love for Greene to be that next guy, but I doubt we'll see it happen. I've liked what i've seen of him in Summer League.
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7/11/2007  11:32 PM
Posted by TMS:

"Smart trades" are the key... the debate is what constitutes a smart trade & what doesn't.

Tuff question... Let me think...
Something like getting Ariza and dunping Steve, or getting Fry and dumping Zack, or getting 2 first rounders for Eddy, or getting read of steph... Actually traiding with IT is already smart to start with...
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
Erniecat
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7/12/2007  1:15 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I have to go with Smart trades and solid drafting. Isiah has been the most active GM i've ever seen. He's most certainly the Anti Layden. Seeing what he's done with the MLE, signing James and Jared it's clear his best moves have been trades and the draft.

He's mostly built this team with Trades and a lot of draft picks. He also seems to find a good young FA on the cheap every year. He may not keep them but he does find them. DerMarr, Woods, Butler, Barnes, Udoka, Morris. I would love for Greene to be that next guy, but I doubt we'll see it happen. I've liked what i've seen of him in Summer League.

Are you complimenting Isiah for being such an active GM?

I hope not. Because for every good move he makes, he makes at least one bad move.

Saying a GM is good because he is active is like saying a relief pitcher is good because he has a lot of appearances. I can't stand that whenever Scott Proctor is mentioned, it has to be mentioned that he led the AL in appearances last year (or last two years?). Who cares. Proctor is mediocre no matter how many appearances he makes.

Look what you did ... you got me started on the Yanks...
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