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purple012870
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7/9/2007  2:50 PM
NONE !!!

Okay, maybe some lesser deals involving Rose, Nate or the expiring contracts. But otherwise, let's:

-let Balkman become Artest minus the insanity
-let David Lee become the best 6th man in the league
-let Mardy Collins become Steve Blake (who is now coveted by half the league as a FA)

Trading Frye was the proper move. Let's just let this thing come together now. Unless a guy like Artest becomes available for a (Dickau, Jones, Morris, Nate) package, I would sit tight, especially if Balkman has expanded his offensive game in the off-season as reported.
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7/9/2007  2:56 PM
Ron can become a fA next season and opt out making him in control to any potential takers.

Isiah can wait this out. Ron can (futher) Scare off would be suiters by opting out next year.

Patience might be the order of the day. Isiah has a lot of pieces and must see that he does not have to give up DLee to get him.

I think he can do a Rose-Nate-Balky thing and Sac saves face.
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7/9/2007  3:04 PM
Nate, Jefferies & Chandler for Artes
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MS
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7/9/2007  3:05 PM
L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 39.3 minutes
Incoming
Zach Randolph
6-9 PF from Michigan State
23.6 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 2.2 apg in 35.7 minutes

Crawford, Nate, Chandler for Artest

Curry/Morris
Odom/Lee/Jefferies
Artest/Balkman
Q/Jones
Marbury/Collins
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7/9/2007  3:45 PM
totally agree we should stand pat... except that we have too many players and it would be a shame to just buy guys out

gotta condense the riff raff somehow
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
purple012870
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7/9/2007  4:04 PM
If Chandler or even Morris is assigned to the NBDL, do they could against the 15 man cap roster spot # ?
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7/9/2007  4:30 PM
Posted by MS:

L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 39.3 minutes
Incoming
Zach Randolph
6-9 PF from Michigan State
23.6 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 2.2 apg in 35.7 minutes

Crawford, Nate, Chandler for Artest

Curry/Morris
Odom/Lee/Jefferies
Artest/Balkman
Q/Jones
Marbury/Collins

That's a horrible trade, for us.
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7/9/2007  4:56 PM
We have another 3 months to trim down to 15 guys. In 2 months, Fred Jones contract will be eligible to be traded as will Dan dickau's.

You pair one of them, with Malik Rose and you've got yourself a deal Sacramento would look at making
It has to be Malik Rose. Sacramento wants two year contracts or less. Jeffries deal is a relative albatross to them in this scenario.

[Edited by - kam77 on 07-09-2007 4:57 PM]
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/9/2007  4:57 PM
If we can't trade the expirings before training camp. I would buy our the contracts of Fred Jones and Jerome James. (Assuming Nichols makes the roster.)
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/9/2007  5:02 PM
What's a horrible trade? The second one? Or the odom trade, if you wouldn't rather have odom play next to curry your nuts. Not only is the guy a play maker, there isn't anyone in the league that can check him when he plays power foward. He also fits into a team concept and was dominated in the playoffs something no one on this team has done. he can play point foward and even play the three.

You keep morris, open up time for collins and get lee more minutes and can slide balkman over to the two at times, and actually have an uptempo unit sliding lee to the 5 position odom to 4, balkman to 3, q at the two and collins.

Everyone acts like crawford is this essential element to the team, and more often than not the shortsightedness of people fail to realize him along with nate doesn't produce anything but hightlights.

Isiah has ****ed the cap, this actually gives you back the ability to make a run at the east with this unit and if it doesn't work your free to break up the team, make a sign and trade or just get an impact free agent......

Expiring Deals
Marbury
Rose
Odom
Artest

Put of course its horrible, lets stand pat and hold onto

Crawford 9.3mil, 10mil (good price to pay for 40%)
Zach 16mil, 17mil

Not to mention Eddy is probably going to opt out and we will have to pay him more, your cap drops from 60 to 27, and if ron ron goes crazy so be it.

Desmond Mason, Pietrus are there for the midlevel if you would like to go that rout.
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7/9/2007  5:03 PM
if curry gets hurt, and we bought out jerome, who plays center?
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7/9/2007  5:04 PM
Posted by kam77:

If we can't trade the expirings before training camp. I would buy our the contracts of Fred Jones and Jerome James. (Assuming Nichols makes the roster.)

isiah traded a future 2nd rounder for nichols - he's gonna make the roster.
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7/9/2007  5:15 PM
Odom's not what this team needs, but i'd make that deal to get rid of Zach's contract... i don't see why LA would do it though

we need a defensive shotblocker & defender in the low post to play alongside Curry... you can get added offense by trading Malik, Nate & Chandler for Artest... trading Jamal for Artest makes no sense other than to satisfy your own personal bias... Jamal is still a talented scorer to have coming off the bench that can hit some big shots down the stretch & create his own shot off the dribble that is a nightmare to guard... you don't just give that away for a 1 year rental of a player who can blow up on you at any moment... Malik is an afterthought on this roster w/the moves they just made... he's completely expendable... Nate & Wilson Chandler along w/Malik should be more than enough to get you Ron Artest... SAC is not in a position of strength here... just wait them out & they'll take whatever they can get for him.
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7/10/2007  1:31 AM
Posted by TMS:

Odom's not what this team needs, but i'd make that deal to get rid of Zach's contract... i don't see why LA would do it though

we need a defensive shotblocker & defender in the low post to play alongside Curry... you can get added offense by trading Malik, Nate & Chandler for Artest... trading Jamal for Artest makes no sense other than to satisfy your own personal bias... Jamal is still a talented scorer to have coming off the bench that can hit some big shots down the stretch & create his own shot off the dribble that is a nightmare to guard... you don't just give that away for a 1 year rental of a player who can blow up on you at any moment... Malik is an afterthought on this roster w/the moves they just made... he's completely expendable... Nate & Wilson Chandler along w/Malik should be more than enough to get you Ron Artest... SAC is not in a position of strength here... just wait them out & they'll take whatever they can get for him.

Completely agree. Now the thing is coming up with a guy. My first choice was Justin Williams from Wyoming, who went undrafted last year. Could've had this guy for nothing last year but we passed on him after the draft with no summer league invite. That was a mistake IMO. Good chance he makes the Kings roster btw, but moving on.... Then the Nets snatched up Sean Williams in this years draft (who I would've definitely grabbed at #23 if he slipped, off-the-court problems and all). So who's left out there that fits the bill? My guy is Hilton Armstrong from the Hornets. I think this guy could be had in a deal, a deal that would be much smaller and more sensible than any crazy deal for Artest. I've been saying this from last year. First off, Tyson Chandler and David West are going to get the bulk of the minutes at the 4/5 spots for those guys, with Cedric Simmons apparently winning over Byron Scott as the main backup big ready to grab whatever minutes are left over. Now I know we have Curry and Zach, but we're still searching for that shotblocker to be the missing piece. They're rare, and you know what, I don't care what anyone says, THEY'RE DIFFERENCE MAKERS.

I propose one of the following combinations to New Orleans if I'm Isiah for Hilton Armstrong:

Randolph Morris and Nate Robinson
Randolph Morris and Mardy Collins
Mardy Collins and Nate Robinson

I think one of those deals would be more than fair for both clubs. New Orleans would get a young big with some promise in Morris to immediately replace the departed Armstrong plus either Nate or Mardy, who could be nice backups to Chris Paul (Bobby Jackson's not getting any younger). Nate, in particular, could infuse quite a bit excitement down there. I'd prefer not to go Mardy & Nate, as that would leave us a little thin at the backup point, but with Craw's ability to run the show and Dan Dickau now in the mix, I'd have to consider it. Same for including Balkman in such a deal, but with Chandler and Nichols looking for real after the first summer league game, if they wanted Balkman I'd have to at least consider it. All these deals work money-wise according to Realgm's trade checker btw.

And we get Armstrong, and in this guy a see the following for the Knicks -
1) Athletic, young, extremely long and quick, capable rebounder AND EXCELLENT SHOTBLOCKER that can play the 4 or the 5. Curry and Zach backed up by Hilton Armstrong would be AWESOME.
2) A guy that, contrary to what many think, actually has a nice offensive game - He's got all the basic moves you want in a big down low - the turnaround jumper, the drop-step, effective hooks with both hands... But the thing that I've always loved about him is his ability to shoot the ball. He's got a suprisingly nice touch out to about 20 feet, a la Channing Frye, but unlike our old buddy Channing, Armstrong actually can play some D and rebound. The thing is he was never really asked to score at U-Conn - it's understandable that the last thing Jimmy Calhoun wanted to see was Hilton shooting 20 footers - they always had plenty of offense during his 4 years there. And it took him awhile to develop overall, due to the fact that U-Conn had guys like Villanueva and Okafor firmly in place when he first got there.
3) I've been saying this for awhile now - if we got a legit shotblocking 4/5 in place, we now have the option to take our time and shop Lee for something really, really good - and I ain't talkin' Ron Artest. If I'm dangling Lee out there, I want something major in return. Love Lee but with Zach here coupled with the fact that Lee's really too small to play backup 5 (and he's not a shotblocker, the element we're trying to add) I don't see Lee being the greatest fit anymore, to be honest, sad as it is to say.
4) A two player for one deal opens up a roster spot. As it stands now I think we're at 17, 2 over the limit.

If I'm Isiah, this is a guy I'm definitely interested in and a guy I go after. A small, sensible trade that benefits both clubs.
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7/10/2007  1:52 AM
Posted by MS:

Everyone acts like crawford is this essential element to the team, and more often than not the shortsightedness of people fail to realize him along with nate doesn't produce anything but hightlights.

Amen to that, bro. It's so obvious that our best rotation would include Q (assuming he's healthy) at the 2, Balkman at the 3 and Crawford on the 2nd unit. On a winning team, Crawford is a role player, not a starting 2.
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7/10/2007  9:55 AM
After Balkman re-affirmed what an animal he is last night, I'd pass on acquiring Artest. We just should not risk exposing Curry, Lee, Balkman, Chandler, Morris etc. (our prized young players) to the insanity that Artest brings.
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7/10/2007  9:59 AM
I like the armstrong move for morris and nate as he would be another piece that fills a need and actually gives us a semblance of a rotation
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