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Marbury's Year: Most Overrated Ever?
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7/9/2007  12:55 PM
Marbury
PPG 16.4 APG 5.4 SPG 1 41%fg 2.9tos
PPG 16.3 APG 6.4 SPG 1 45%fg 2.9tos (under Larry)

Breaking down the year's of other guards Marbury may have had the 15-16th best season out of pg and back up pgs in the league yet it was hailed as this huge success as the knicks won 33 games.

Arenas PPG 28.4 | APG 6 | SPG 1.9 41%
Bibby PPG 17.1 | APG 4.7 | SPG 1.1 40%
Billiups PPG 17 | APG 7.2 | SPG 1.2 42%
Davis PPG 20.1 | APG 8.1 | SPG 2.1 43%
Ellis PPG 16.5 | APG 4.1 | 47%
Felton PPG 14 | APG 7 | 38%
Ford PPG 14 | APG 7.9 | SPG 1.3 43%
Hinrich PPG 16.6 | APG 6.3 | 3P% .415
Iverson PPG 26.3 | APG 7.2 | 44%
Kidd PPG 13 | APG 9.2 | SPG 1.6 40%
Miller PPG 13.4 | APG 7.8 | SPG 1.4 44%
Parker PPG 18.6 | APG 5.5 | SPG 1.1 52%
Wade PPG 27.4 | APG 7.5 | 49%
Mo Wil PPG 17.3 | APG 6.1 | SPG 1.3 44%
D Will PPG 16.2 | APG 9.3 | SPG 1 45%
LB PPG 18.1 | APG 4 | SPG 1.2 47%

It's just very interesting how this year was such a big step for him, and everyone believes what they hear instead of what they see about progress, injuries etc.
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7/9/2007  12:57 PM
It's not hard to improve from negative 5 to zero. Why a player gets AT A BOYS for not revolting is comical.
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7/9/2007  1:01 PM
basically.

marbury played nice last season. la-di-freak'n-da.

time to turn the page already...
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7/9/2007  1:01 PM
I think people are excluding his first month of the season. No one thought he played well then.
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7/9/2007  1:02 PM
Other stats on Marbury:

Roland Rating: 0.0 (6th on team)
Net Production: +0.2 (6th on team)

This is not even including the fact that both Zack and Dickau are higher in Roland and Zack is higher in net production, as well.

Furthermore, when Marbury plays point guard (according to 82games.com, he plays 56% of the team's minutes at PG and 12% at SG), he's -1.1 PER, which is poor.
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7/9/2007  1:08 PM
Just looking at the production of the other guards on that list, I fail to see the point of this thread. No one was saying that his year was the best of all PG's, just that it was one of his better years in terms of how he fit in with the team concept. It wasn't about the numbers this year. But this is the kind of crap I've come to expect from those that hate on Steph.

The guy was hobbled and had a poor start to the year and still his numbers were on par with all the better PG's in the league. We lost 2 of our best shooters for much of the year and Frye was a no show. You think that didn't effect his Asts? Not to mention that the way the offense was structured didn't call for him to make as many of the direct pass that led to the basket plays that he usually had. No Pick & Rolls. Not as much drive and kick etc. He actually was a tougher defender than some of the guys on that list. Better than Ford, Parker, Mo, Bibby and Arenas were on D. People just tend to give those guys a pass, cuz they aren't on the Knicks.
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7/9/2007  1:09 PM
Too much stats over there Solace.

Marbury had a good year. Best year? No way. He had his best defensive year, which really is sad, b/c with his athleticism and toughness, he should have had his best defensive year every year.

Either way, it seems like Marbury is no way in hell the guy we're building around, and our main perimeter scorer/playmaker is Crawford (Like it or not.) So what's the point in having a high profile /expensive name at the point guard, when we need to stock up our perimeter more with shooters and defenders, and yes, a distributer. Marbury isn't really any of that.

He's a good guy, but he needs to be used in a trade so he can go to his title contender and we can build a team.
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7/9/2007  1:15 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Too much stats over there Solace.

That's why I summarized a few I thought were interesting.
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7/9/2007  1:24 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Just looking at the production of the other guards on that list, I fail to see the point of this thread. No one was saying that his year was the best of all PG's, just that it was one of his better years in terms of how he fit in with the team concept. It wasn't about the numbers this year. But this is the kind of crap I've come to expect from those that hate on Steph.

The guy was hobbled and had a poor start to the year and still his numbers were on par with all the better PG's in the league. We lost 2 of our best shooters for much of the year and Frye was a no show. You think that didn't effect his Asts? Not to mention that the way the offense was structured didn't call for him to make as many of the direct pass that led to the basket plays that he usually had. No Pick & Rolls. Not as much drive and kick etc. He actually was a tougher defender than some of the guys on that list. Better than Ford, Parker, Mo, Bibby and Arenas were on D. People just tend to give those guys a pass, cuz they aren't on the Knicks.


Yeah, the guy was playing on a bad wheel all year long. Stepped up when Craw and Lee want down when he almost single handedly won a few games for us with some big scoring explosions including some big baskets dow the stretch of games.

The problem with Marb, is he is a lead guard. He seems to think that by simply cutting back on his shot attempts is being a good pg which is not the case. He still needs to learn how to see a play develop before it actually happens. To anticipate. Needs to learn how to get the ball to players when they need it and where they are most comfortable. I would like to see Steph get Curry and Zach at least 2-3 easy layups and dunks per game just off penetration, drawing defenders and dishing. Too many times we just threw the ball down to Curry in the post and let him go to work. He needs a few easy baskets per similar Stoudamire, etc.
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7/9/2007  1:30 PM
Marbury has had the worst 2 years of his career the last couple years.
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7/9/2007  4:24 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Too much stats over there Solace.

Marbury had a good year. Best year? No way. He had his best defensive year, which really is sad, b/c with his athleticism and toughness, he should have had his best defensive year every year.

Either way, it seems like Marbury is no way in hell the guy we're building around, and our main perimeter scorer/playmaker is Crawford (Like it or not.) So what's the point in having a high profile /expensive name at the point guard, when we need to stock up our perimeter more with shooters and defenders, and yes, a distributer. Marbury isn't really any of that.

He's a good guy, but he needs to be used in a trade so he can go to his title contender and we can build a team.

15-Love............ point to Allenfan20

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7/9/2007  4:30 PM
I remember when I said that it just 'looked' like Jamal was a better play under Larry Brown than he was at any other point in his career I was called a Larry-lover and I was making things up. I hope the same people don't say that it just 'looked' like Marbury played better than he ever did.
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7/9/2007  5:14 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by nixluva:

Just looking at the production of the other guards on that list, I fail to see the point of this thread. No one was saying that his year was the best of all PG's, just that it was one of his better years in terms of how he fit in with the team concept. It wasn't about the numbers this year. But this is the kind of crap I've come to expect from those that hate on Steph.

The guy was hobbled and had a poor start to the year and still his numbers were on par with all the better PG's in the league. We lost 2 of our best shooters for much of the year and Frye was a no show. You think that didn't effect his Asts? Not to mention that the way the offense was structured didn't call for him to make as many of the direct pass that led to the basket plays that he usually had. No Pick & Rolls. Not as much drive and kick etc. He actually was a tougher defender than some of the guys on that list. Better than Ford, Parker, Mo, Bibby and Arenas were on D. People just tend to give those guys a pass, cuz they aren't on the Knicks.


Yeah, the guy was playing on a bad wheel all year long. Stepped up when Craw and Lee want down when he almost single handedly won a few games for us with some big scoring explosions including some big baskets dow the stretch of games.

The problem with Marb, is he is a lead guard. He seems to think that by simply cutting back on his shot attempts is being a good pg which is not the case. He still needs to learn how to see a play develop before it actually happens. To anticipate. Needs to learn how to get the ball to players when they need it and where they are most comfortable. I would like to see Steph get Curry and Zach at least 2-3 easy layups and dunks per game just off penetration, drawing defenders and dishing. Too many times we just threw the ball down to Curry in the post and let him go to work. He needs a few easy baskets per similar Stoudamire, etc.

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7/9/2007  6:11 PM
Thank god for Marbury's brilliant play over the past few years. Without him, the Knicks' record would have been, like, really bad.
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7/9/2007  6:13 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Thank god for Marbury's brilliant play over the past few years. Without him, the Knicks' record would have been, like, really bad.

Like... what?
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7/9/2007  7:14 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Thank god for Marbury's brilliant play over the past few years. Without him, the Knicks' record would have been, like, really bad.
Same applies to Curry, BTW.
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7/9/2007  10:01 PM
Marbury reinvented his game last season. It was a huge adjustment for him and the first 1 1/2 - 2 months of the season were very difficult for him. As he got used to playing a different game, he played better. For that reason, his season stats suffered. I don't know how to get such stats, but if you could run his stats starting with late December or early January, they'd look better.
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7/9/2007  10:32 PM
Posted by Ira:

Marbury reinvented his game last season. It was a huge adjustment for him and the first 1 1/2 - 2 months of the season were very difficult for him. As he got used to playing a different game, he played better. For that reason, his season stats suffered. I don't know how to get such stats, but if you could run his stats starting with late December or early January, they'd look better.

Here's his Efficiency in order from Nov thru April:

9.1
14.3
18.0
13.3
19.6
13.0

Kinda all over the place.


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