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TrueBlue
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7/9/2007  10:00 AM
Nate says he's........

LAS VEGAS - Nate Robinson said he's not really a point guard and not really a shooting guard. So what is he?

"I consider myself a whatever-happens guard," he said yesterday.

His place in the Knicks' rotation is as unpredictable as his game, and that's why Robinson agreed to be part of the summer league team, which begins play here against Kevin Durant and the Seattle SuperSonics tonight at Cox Pavilion on the UNLV campus.

Robinson, who is heading into his third NBA season, won't say he feels pressure to show anything this week. But with a lot of guards on the roster in competition for playing time, Robinson's immediate future as a Knick seems to hinge on his ability to get his erratic game under control.

His offense has never been a problem, even with inconsistent playing time. Robinson averaged 10.1 points this past season and had seven 20-plus-point games despite averaging 21.2 minutes. He shot 43 percent from the floor and 39 percent from three-point range.

But he had only 90 assists (1.4 per game) with 72 turnovers (1.1 per game), which is a sign of his inability to control the ball and set up his teammates.

And the part of Robinson's game that needs the most improvement? "Decision-making for me, right now," the 5-9 ball of energy said. "Not getting out of control at times."

Then he explained why that's such a challenge: "But to me, my out-of-control is my control. It's kind of weird to juggle both at the same time."

Isiah Thomas, who arrived Saturday night to watch the workouts and games, said he doesn't want Robinson to change his game too dramatically. But there's no doubt Robinson's erratic play drove Thomas to distraction throughout the past season.

"He's had some growing pains within the game, but the way he's going about competing and working on his game, I like everything about him," Thomas said. "I'm not encouraging him to change too much of his game because I like what he does. I just want him to get better at it."

Assistant coach Dave Hanners, who is running the summer league team, said Robinson needs "reps" at point guard. The summer league will provide a good opportunity for Robinson to get to know the Knicks' offensive system better. And the Knicks can get a sense of whether Robinson fits into their plans.

"I don't think he's going to become this point guard in the summer league," Thomas said. "That's not what I'm looking for. But I do want him to continue to get better."

Notes & quotes: Thomas said he is not pursuing any trades but is looking into any opportunities that would improve the Knicks. He also said it would have to take a major deal to include David Lee in anything. "We have no intentions of moving him," Thomas said. Right now the most intriguing option - Sacramento's Ron Artest - is believed to be on the back burner and might never come to fruition as long as the Kings insist on getting Lee in return. Artest has an opt-out after the coming season and is expected to exercise it for a bigger payday, so it is believed Thomas doesn't want to give up too much, even if adding Artest makes the Knicks a serious contender in the East.



I SAY UGH to Nate......"Get better so I can trade your what ever happens self". Nate is still special probably always will be.
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7/9/2007  10:06 AM
Nate could be dangerous if he ever learns how to pass and set people up.

As quick as he is, he should be able to get into the lane at will and be able to set up Curry & Randolph.

If he is going to just hit open 3's, he has no role on this team.
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7/9/2007  10:08 AM
If he can drive the lane and can lob the pass to curry and zach that will be great
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7/9/2007  10:09 AM
what has disappointed me about Nate has been his defense. Larry used to yell at him to pressure the opposing ball handlers, and Nate would ignore him. Last year was no better... Nate had very little pressence on defense. A guy with his quickness and strength should be a better defender, plain and simple.
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7/9/2007  10:14 AM
Posted by fishmike:

what has disappointed me about Nate has been his defense. Larry used to yell at him to pressure the opposing ball handlers, and Nate would ignore him. Last year was no better... Nate had very little pressence on defense. A guy with his quickness and strength should be a better defender, plain and simple.

he did get up on guys on defense- the problem was he got called for stupid fouls, and got upset with the refs- only tightening the noose around his own neck.

It could be the ADD I have seen people mention here on the forum- whether its true or not, one wonders if the facts start to support the assessment.
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7/9/2007  10:20 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by fishmike:

what has disappointed me about Nate has been his defense. Larry used to yell at him to pressure the opposing ball handlers, and Nate would ignore him. Last year was no better... Nate had very little pressence on defense. A guy with his quickness and strength should be a better defender, plain and simple.

he did get up on guys on defense- the problem was he got called for stupid fouls, and got upset with the refs- only tightening the noose around his own neck.

It could be the ADD I have seen people mention here on the forum- whether its true or not, one wonders if the facts start to support the assessment.
totally disagree... Nate's dedication to defense was non existant. He seemed to use those fouls as an excuse more than anything. Kinda like "see?!?! why do I bother."

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7/9/2007  10:28 AM
Nate is dumb.
It is dumd to have a moronic PG
It is close to dumb to have moronoc player in general. But this is debatable.
There is an opinion that young, tlanted, and athletic abilities of a player can compensate his stuppidity.
Works nice in football zo...
This is where Nate should play - NFL.

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7/9/2007  10:35 AM

Nate is:

Special.
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7/9/2007  10:52 AM
Nate is energy................. Isiah should learn how to cultivate it!!!!!!!! Fire can cut and Fire can Melt, but it can also destroy. It all depends on the use.

[Edited by - Anji on 07-09-2007 10:54 AM]
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7/9/2007  11:08 AM
Actually his second draft blunder of that year, isiah loves bringing in bitches with attitude problems, that think they are gods gift to the basketball court, who lack discipline and the ability to play in the team concept.

Always thought Jack was the selection there because of his size and stregnth and he was a proven leader at Georgia tech, he isn't spectacular, but solid and he knows his role and plays good defense. I think it is very similiar to what Isiah did this year drafting Chandler over Almond. Chandler has lottery potential but lacks the motor skills and already plays balkmans position, and we have q rich.

The knicks don't have one great outside shooter with size and poise, and Almond would have fit a need and slid in nicely.
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7/9/2007  11:26 AM
Posted by MS:

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I think it is very similiar to what Isiah did this year drafting Chandler over Almond. Chandler has lottery potential but lacks the motor skills and already plays balkmans position, and we have q rich.

The knicks don't have one great outside shooter with size and poise, and Almond would have fit a need and slid in nicely.

I'm still trying to figure this one out myself.
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7/9/2007  11:55 AM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by MS:

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I think it is very similiar to what Isiah did this year drafting Chandler over Almond. Chandler has lottery potential but lacks the motor skills and already plays balkmans position, and we have q rich.

The knicks don't have one great outside shooter with size and poise, and Almond would have fit a need and slid in nicely.

I'm still trying to figure this one out myself.

Really, if Nate had more discipline to his game he would be worth more than Jack because the kid can score at a high level and should be able to play solid defense (better than he has shown). I think IT is looking to hit the homerun rather than take the safe pick, which is not always a winning strategy. I too wanted Almond and think that he is going to be a good player and probably better than Chandler although it is far too early to tell.

Interestingly though, Frank Isola wrote this about Chandler yesterday after watching him play for about 7 minutes:
On the plus side, first-round pick Wilson Chandler knocked down a few jump shots. Based solely on that seven-minute preview, I want to go on record as being the first Knick writer, fan or executive to nominate Chandler as a Rookie of the Year candidate. Kevin Durant – whom the Knicks face on Monday – consider yourself warned.

I guess we will see tonight.
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7/9/2007  12:15 PM
I have no problem with Nate's ability it's just mirrors isiah pattern of not knowing how to do the job.

Marbury, Francis (attidude concerns, selfish stigma, poor decision makes)

Crawford, Nate (shoot first non defenders, high turnover prone)

Balkman, Chandler (similiar styles and games)

Curry, James (coniditioning questions, motor questions, work ethic problems)

He needs to make an effort of filling the wholes, I think Randolf will be a good player, but again

Curry, Zach (need a lot of touches, non defenders can't blk shots, high turnover players)

And your entire roster is nearly a mirror of itself, you have specialty players that make up an even roster, thats why i like when you have collins, lee, balkman on the floor because they do multiple things well and provide intensity and defense, lee gets killed a little more than he should.

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7/9/2007  12:19 PM
Assists. Where have they been? I can excuse your defense because none of our guards play defense escpecially well. Marbury is trying now, and maybe that leadership can rub off on Nate. But for me, the most telling stat is the lack of assists Robinson gets.

[Edited by - kam77 on 07-09-2007 12:27 PM]
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/9/2007  12:22 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by MS:

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I think it is very similiar to what Isiah did this year drafting Chandler over Almond. Chandler has lottery potential but lacks the motor skills and already plays balkmans position, and we have q rich.

The knicks don't have one great outside shooter with size and poise, and Almond would have fit a need and slid in nicely.

I'm still trying to figure this one out myself.

What's to figure out? Isiah thinks he's smarter than everybody else and wants to prove it by picking guys that nobody else would have picked in the first round.

I said before the draft that Almond would have been a good pick and I wouldn't have killed Isiah at all if he took him. So I don't want to hear BS hindsight comments a year from now when Chandler has 75 DNP's and Almond is averaging 10pts a game.
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7/9/2007  12:28 PM
Shoulda drafted Almond and then bought a pick for Chandler and or Nichols.

Now we gotta hope Nichols turns into Reggie Miller.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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7/9/2007  12:31 PM
Love Nate, wish like hell he improves, but if he can't mature, then we gotto move him b/c he's not going to improve that much if this is the case. Isiah also knows full well that Nate needs to improve on the defense. 9 out of 10 times, Isiah screamed the crap outta Nate b/c of poor defense. Come on Nate, let your lone supporter be proud.
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7/9/2007  12:38 PM
Nate is ... a clown. The only thing that kind of surprised me about him is his shooting. I dont like the rest of his game.
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7/9/2007  12:50 PM
Nate is...a complete waste of a first round pick.
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7/9/2007  6:48 PM
He isn't a waste of a pick if he can be flipped for someone who can help.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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