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Bonn1997
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7/2/2007  8:45 AM
I think Zach's better than Curry and we need a two-way big man more than keeping both of those players. So, would you do these deals and do you think the other team would? (Just assume the team's can put the right filler together for the salaries to match.)

Lee and Eddy for KG
Lee and Eddy for Pau
Lee and Eddy for JO
Lee and Eddy for Brand
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7/2/2007  8:48 AM
I'd do it for KG. Probably do it for J'O. Not for Pau or Brand, but I would give up Eddy (just not Eddy and Lee) for Pau or Brand. It's not that I don't like Brand, but I'd have some issues with a Brand/Randolph front court. Seems like a strange fit to me.

Would the other teams do it? I think Indy and Memphis do it. Not sure about the Clips. Minny would ask for more (and would need another player or 2 to fit it under the cap).
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7/2/2007  8:53 AM
Posted by VDesai:

I'd do it for KG. Probably do it for J'O. Not for Pau or Brand, but I would give up Eddy (just not Eddy and Lee) for Pau or Brand. It's not that I don't like Brand, but I'd have some issues with a Brand/Randolph front court. Seems like a strange fit to me.

Would the other teams do it? I think Indy and Memphis do it. Not sure about the Clips. Minny would ask for more (and would need another player or 2 to fit it under the cap).
Really? Pau was actually first on my list in those trades because he's still young and his best years are ahead of him. It's a tough call, though, because with Marbury as the PG, the team is trying to win NOW and KG and JO would probably help toward that goal more than Pau would.
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7/2/2007  8:55 AM
Posted by VDesai:

I'd do it for KG. Probably do it for J'O. Not for Pau or Brand, but I would give up Eddy (just not Eddy and Lee) for Pau or Brand. It's not that I don't like Brand, but I'd have some issues with a Brand/Randolph front court. Seems like a strange fit to me.

Would the other teams do it? I think Indy and Memphis do it. Not sure about the Clips. Minny would ask for more (and would need another player or 2 to fit it under the cap).
I know Elton's only 6'8" but he's a beast on defense. He plays more like a 7 footer. Most centers aren't that big a scoring threat also. I wouldn't really be that worried about playing Zach on most centers with Elton anchoring the defense. I'd guarantee that would be a better defensive front court than our current one.
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7/2/2007  9:05 AM
I think I would entertain either KG or Pau. Brand is an excellent player- perhaps he's underrated- but I don't think of him as a superstar. Nor do I think of Pau as a superstar, but he's more a true center and younger than the others.

NO JO- and thank got we got Zach and not JO- too many injury issues.
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7/2/2007  9:05 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by VDesai:

I'd do it for KG. Probably do it for J'O. Not for Pau or Brand, but I would give up Eddy (just not Eddy and Lee) for Pau or Brand. It's not that I don't like Brand, but I'd have some issues with a Brand/Randolph front court. Seems like a strange fit to me.

Would the other teams do it? I think Indy and Memphis do it. Not sure about the Clips. Minny would ask for more (and would need another player or 2 to fit it under the cap).

I know Elton's only 6'8" but he's a beast on defense. He plays more like a 7 footer. Most centers aren't that big a scoring threat also. I wouldn't really be that worried about playing Zach on most centers with Elton anchoring the defense. I'd guarantee that would be a better defensive front court than our current one.

To this point first- Brand at 6'8" and Randolph at 6'9" are generously listed. And while Brand can block shots, having both these guys, who maybe aren't the most mobile bigs starting on the front line could still cause some matchup problems defensively. And I think they also have the same issue of having duplicate offensive skills to some degree (though Zach is more likely to shoot the jumper post microfracture these days). I think Brand would be a better complement to Eddy than Zach, but that's more b/c of his shotblocking ability. Eddy doesn't exactly play tall defensively, but he does play tall offensively and that's what we'd be missing a bit by having a Zach/Elton type front court.
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7/2/2007  9:12 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by VDesai:

I'd do it for KG. Probably do it for J'O. Not for Pau or Brand, but I would give up Eddy (just not Eddy and Lee) for Pau or Brand. It's not that I don't like Brand, but I'd have some issues with a Brand/Randolph front court. Seems like a strange fit to me.

Would the other teams do it? I think Indy and Memphis do it. Not sure about the Clips. Minny would ask for more (and would need another player or 2 to fit it under the cap).
Really? Pau was actually first on my list in those trades because he's still young and his best years are ahead of him. It's a tough call, though, because with Marbury as the PG, the team is trying to win NOW and KG and JO would probably help toward that goal more than Pau would.

It is interesting- my quick impression of Gasol is that he isnt as dominant and wouldn't score as much on a contending team. But going back and looking at his FG% in these last 2 years- they are very high. Guys who usually score a lot on a bad team take more shots and sacrifice shooting efficiency. When you take into account his passing ability (which is very good) and shotblocking he could be an interesting get. Question is, what is his open market value? Do we have to give up Curry and Lee?

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7/2/2007  9:16 AM
I wouldn't do this trade for any of those guys. The only guy there worth getting would be KG and since he comes with the no guarantee of staying, I don't do the trade. Pau, JO, Brand essentially give us the same thing that Z-BO can give us. With the exception that JO blocks shots.

Any trade that happens needs to be for a scoring guard. See Kobe.
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7/2/2007  9:27 AM
Posted by Michael6835:

I wouldn't do this trade for any of those guys. The only guy there worth getting would be KG and since he comes with the no guarantee of staying, I don't do the trade. Pau, JO, Brand essentially give us the same thing that Z-BO can give us. With the exception that JO blocks shots.

Any trade that happens needs to be for a scoring guard. See Kobe.

Pau and Brand also block more than 2 shots per game.
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7/2/2007  9:51 AM
Did anybody approched us for Eddy?
Why any GM in right mind will want him?
Yes he can score but this is not something special in NBA. Plus/Minus 5 points will not help to win much.
Good defense, shortblocking, rebounding, passing certanly will.
But Eddy has nothing to do with this desired skills.

[Edited by - arkrud on 07-02-2007 09:51 AM]
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7/2/2007  10:04 AM
I thought it was a bad trade cuz the knicks have 2 guys that score in the paint. All those guys need the ball and score in the paint. Only difference is curry is a center cuz of his size, and none of the guys mentioned are centers.

Curry can't guard any of those guys but neither can they. Curry could drop 40pts on all those guys especially since the help aint gonna just leave a walking 20/10 like zach alone.

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7/2/2007  10:06 AM
I don't get you guys don't you want to see Eddy and Zach play games together before making any decisions. What if Eddy and Zach are the best combination since Peanut butter and Jelly.

These two guys are totally different in style of play and one is a center the other is a pf. You don't trade a center away so you can have two pf playing in the lineup that makes for trouble. Curry is a up and coming center you don't trade for players that similar to Zach like KG, O'neal, Brand they occupy more of the same game than Curry does to Zach.
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7/2/2007  10:08 AM
Are you nuts Gasol is three times the player that eddy is and has actually led his team to the playoffs in consecutive seasons against the west. Eddy has never had a winning record in this league.

Isiah would never do that deal because it would make too much sense.

Paul 20.8pts 9.8rbs 3.4ass 2.1blks 2.75tos 53%fg 74ft
Curry 19.5pts 7.0rbs 0.8ass 0.5blks 3.64tos 57%fg 61ft


Do you realize how good those numbers are are? More defense, less to's more versatility, the ability to pass the ball, you can run an uptempo offense. Lee, Balkman, Gasol. It would be a huge win win. I would give them Curry, Morris, Nate.

If you wouldn't trade EC for Gasol you should trade yourself. Eddy is not suddenly going to learn how to pass, blk shots, rb, run the floor and be in shape. And it helps when a guy doesn't have a 5ft range of motion.
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7/2/2007  10:12 AM
Posted by MS:

Are you nuts Gasol is three times the player that eddy is and has actually led his team to the playoffs in consecutive seasons against the west. Eddy has never had a winning record in this league.

Isiah would never do that deal because it would make too much sense.

Paul 20.8pts 9.8rbs 3.4ass 2.1blks 2.75tos 53%fg 74ft
Curry 19.5pts 7.0rbs 0.8ass 0.5blks 3.64tos 57%fg 61ft


Do you realize how good those numbers are are? More defense, less to's more versatility, the ability to pass the ball, you can run an uptempo offense. Lee, Balkman, Gasol. It would be a huge win win. I would give them Curry, Morris, Nate.

If you wouldn't trade EC for Gasol you should trade yourself. Eddy is not suddenly going to learn how to pass, blk shots, rb, run the floor and be in shape. And it helps when a guy doesn't have a 5ft range of motion.


His question was trading Eddy and Lee for them. I said I'd trade Eddy in a package, but not Eddy+Lee in the package. Which is essentially what you just proposed in this post. So spare me the "are you nuts."
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7/2/2007  10:16 AM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by MS:

Are you nuts Gasol is three times the player that eddy is and has actually led his team to the playoffs in consecutive seasons against the west. Eddy has never had a winning record in this league.

Isiah would never do that deal because it would make too much sense.

Paul 20.8pts 9.8rbs 3.4ass 2.1blks 2.75tos 53%fg 74ft
Curry 19.5pts 7.0rbs 0.8ass 0.5blks 3.64tos 57%fg 61ft


Do you realize how good those numbers are are? More defense, less to's more versatility, the ability to pass the ball, you can run an uptempo offense. Lee, Balkman, Gasol. It would be a huge win win. I would give them Curry, Morris, Nate.

If you wouldn't trade EC for Gasol you should trade yourself. Eddy is not suddenly going to learn how to pass, blk shots, rb, run the floor and be in shape. And it helps when a guy doesn't have a 5ft range of motion.


His question was trading Eddy and Lee for them. I said I'd trade Eddy in a package, but not Eddy+Lee in the package. Which is essentially what you just proposed in this post. So spare me the "are you nuts."

With Zach at PF and Eddy at C, Lee is just a 20 mpg bench player. As might as well trade him if you can get a versatile, 2 way all-star borderline franchise player.
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7/2/2007  10:19 AM
That's not a good reason to throw in Lee. He has more value than that.

And while Pau does block shots, that doesn't make him a 2 way player. He's a pretty poor one on one defender.
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7/2/2007  10:20 AM
That's not a good reason to throw in Lee. He has more value than that.
More value than that? You're getting a borderline franchise player!
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7/2/2007  11:18 AM
Posted by VDesai:

That's not a good reason to throw in Lee. He has more value than that.

And while Pau does block shots, that doesn't make him a 2 way player. He's a pretty poor one on one defender.


agree w.u on Pau... i would only give up Curry & Lee for KG or maybe JO out of that list at this point... i love Brand but like another poster said, having an undersized frontcourt isn't my ideal option.
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