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6/30/2007  2:33 PM
Not saying I love the trade and nobody is doubting Zack's talents, but these are some pretty convincing statistics:

+8.1 Roland rating (next best on team, +1.9 for Aldridge)
+9.7 net production (next best on team, +1.4 for Roy)

PER:
@PF - 23.1 for vs. 15.1 against (+8.0)
@C - 33.7 for vs. 14.8 against (+18.9)
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6/30/2007  2:37 PM
Those are prettty impressive stats. I know that many will bring up the wins issue, but there are so many variables that go into why a team wins or loses. Just ask KG, JO or Pierce about that.

Having a player of Zach's caliber is an asset and it really is up to Isiah to make it all work. Sometimes players need a fresh start in a new environment. Maybe Zach will step up and realize the situation and try harder to do the right thing here. If he does, i'm sure his agent has explained how big that would be for his career and reputation.
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6/30/2007  2:51 PM
I think Zack's efficiency will drop a bit, since I think Curry will remain the primary scoring option. That being said, Zack can be a beast up front. If he can stay out of trouble and we play some team defense (individually we have poor-awful defense, except for Balkman), we can do something. It will be interesting. I just really hope Zack stays out of trouble. Him in NY could be considered letting the bull loose in the china shop.
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6/30/2007  3:08 PM
Posted by Solace:

I think Zack's efficiency will drop a bit, since I think Curry will remain the primary scoring option.

I hope Zach and Marbury on the pick n roll becomes the bread and butter with Curry getting his points off the attention those 2 will receive
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6/30/2007  3:14 PM
Posted by Solace:

Not saying I love the trade and nobody is doubting Zack's talents, but these are some pretty convincing statistics:

+8.1 Roland rating (next best on team, +1.9 for Aldridge)
+9.7 net production (next best on team, +1.4 for Roy)

PER:
@PF - 23.1 for vs. 15.1 against (+8.0)
@C - 33.7 for vs. 14.8 against (+18.9)

Nobody ?'s his numbers/stats everyone questions his attitude, teamwork, character, defense, and if he's a winner or even if he's a key piece to a championship contending team. You can look at most trades and the stats justify trading for such player. Look no further than Marbury, Francis, Crawford, Curry.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-30-2007 2:15 PM]
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6/30/2007  3:21 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Solace:

Not saying I love the trade and nobody is doubting Zack's talents, but these are some pretty convincing statistics:

+8.1 Roland rating (next best on team, +1.9 for Aldridge)
+9.7 net production (next best on team, +1.4 for Roy)

PER:
@PF - 23.1 for vs. 15.1 against (+8.0)
@C - 33.7 for vs. 14.8 against (+18.9)

Nobody ?'s his numbers/stats everyone questions his attitude, teamwork, character, defense, and if he's a winner or even if he's a key piece to a championship contending team. You can look at most trades and the stats justify trading for such player. Look no further than Marbury, Francis, Crawford, Curry.

Of course and I've said the same in many other threads in this forum. On this thread, purely considering statistics, he looks good (on paper). There's going to be other issues and certainly his efficiency will drop when he has to share the ball with Curry, Craw and Marbs.
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6/30/2007  3:28 PM
I don't really expect Zach's efficiency to drop. If you mean his totals that may perhaps happen, but relative to his number of touches i'd say he'll probably improve on his efficiency. When you play on a good team you may require fewer shots to be just as productive as on a bad team where the other teams D is more focused on you.

It's gonna take a few years to make a determination as to whether he's good enough to help us get to the Finals or not. That's not even the point right now. He WILL help this team to get back to the playoffs and have a shot to get to the ECF's. That's the 1st thing we should be concerned with.
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6/30/2007  3:30 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Solace:

Not saying I love the trade and nobody is doubting Zack's talents, but these are some pretty convincing statistics:

+8.1 Roland rating (next best on team, +1.9 for Aldridge)
+9.7 net production (next best on team, +1.4 for Roy)

PER:
@PF - 23.1 for vs. 15.1 against (+8.0)
@C - 33.7 for vs. 14.8 against (+18.9)

Nobody ?'s his numbers/stats everyone questions his attitude, teamwork, character, defense, and if he's a winner or even if he's a key piece to a championship contending team. You can look at most trades and the stats justify trading for such player. Look no further than Marbury, Francis, Crawford, Curry.

Of course and I've said the same in many other threads in this forum. On this thread, purely considering statistics, he looks good (on paper). There's going to be other issues and certainly his efficiency will drop when he has to share the ball with Curry, Craw and Marbs.


Agreed and...... Marbury looked good on paper, Curry in some respects looked good on paper, Francis had a good history on paper. Crawford's potential looked good on paper etc etc etc. That means nothing to me.... and this is without considering the Albatross contracts that follow with them.
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6/30/2007  3:38 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I don't really expect Zach's efficiency to drop. If you mean his totals that may perhaps happen, but relative to his number of touches i'd say he'll probably improve on his efficiency.

I think we agree and just had different definitions of efficiency. His FG% will probably increase since it's going to be tough for teams to double team either one of them.
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6/30/2007  4:10 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I don't really expect Zach's efficiency to drop. If you mean his totals that may perhaps happen, but relative to his number of touches i'd say he'll probably improve on his efficiency. When you play on a good team you may require fewer shots to be just as productive as on a bad team where the other teams D is more focused on you.

It's gonna take a few years to make a determination as to whether he's good enough to help us get to the Finals or not. That's not even the point right now. He WILL help this team to get back to the playoffs and have a shot to get to the ECF's. That's the 1st thing we should be concerned with.


One thing I cannot get - both Eddy and Zack cannot pass the ball. They are black holes.
Ball is coming to them and that it - so why teams will have troubele to doubleteam both of them? It is also not to hard to deny the ball from coming to them. Marbs and Craf both passing late in the clock so this will make one of this 2 guys useless on the court. They cannot play together. They can backup each other but will they like it and can you have so mauch money sitting on the bench? Terrible...

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6/30/2007  6:59 PM
Defense at the PF position is not as important as the other positions. The Powerforward position is the most stacked position in the NBA. Its just to hard to be able to defend all these good PFs on a game to game basis. Thats why instead of worrying about stopping players at the PF position the goal should be to either match there production or outproduce them. If KG & Duncan go head to head most likley they are going to cancel each other out and its going to be up to there teammates to outproduce each others opponents.

One thing I can say about Randolph is that he will match or out produce our opponents production at PF. We will no longer be a negative in that area. Especially looking at 82games.com

Of course if Curry was on Randolphs level of scoring then it wouldn't matter about matching the production at PF since Curry would be the person looking to match the PF production while the PF would look to match the production from our opponents center spot.

But Defense from the center position is now key though. Defense from the PG & SF position as well. SG I could say is in the same boat as PF. To bad we don't have the pieces
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