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Solace
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6/30/2007  1:23 PM
I think, looking at the team as of now, I don't want to keep too large a rotation, although there's a lot of guys who can play. Frankly, I think the additions of Fred Jones and Dan Dickau could make Nate expendable in another trade (we'll see). I don't think Wilson Chandler plays at all. I *hope* Jared Jeffries and Jerome James don't play at all. With that, here's my lineup (and mock stats):

Starters:
C-Eddy Curry - 33 mpg --> 20 ppg, 7.0 rebs, 0.5 blks, 1 ast
PF-Zack Randolph - 32 mpg --> 17 ppg, 8.5 rebs, 0.3 blks, 2 asts (should play some center when Curry is out of the game)
SF-David Lee - 30 mpg --> 10 ppg, 9.5 rebs, 0.4 blks, 2 asts (should still play a lot of minutes should be at PF)
SG-Jamal Crawford - 30 mpg --> 16 ppg, 2.5 rebs, 0.1 blks, 4 asts (might slide over to play some PG when Steph sits)
PG-Stephon Marbury - 30 mpg --> 14 ppg, 2.5 rebs, 0.1 blks, 6 asts

Bench:
C-Randolph Morris - 8 mpg --> 1 ppg, 2 rebs, 0.3 blks, 0.2 ast
SF-Renaldo Balkman - 25 mpg --> 8 ppg, 6 rebs, 1.2 blks, 1 ast
SF/SG-Quentin Richardson - 25 mpg --> 10 ppg, 5 rebs, 0.1 blks, 1.5 ast
PG-Mardy Collins - 18 mpg --> 5 ppg, 2 rebs, 0.1 blk, 1.8 ast

Others (will somehow combine for the minimal remaining minutes -- not sure which of this group will even be on the team): Dan Dickau, Fred Jones, Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, Kelvin Cato, Wilson Chandler, Demetris Nichols, Malik Rose

So, as a team I see something like this:

102 ppg, 45 rebs, 3 blks per game (awful), 17+ asts

I think offensively, we're going to be very good. Defensively is going to be a huge issue, but we'll see. If the right guys get minutes and there's no attitude problems (which I'm doubting), I could see us possibly being a .500 team.

Thoughts?
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6/30/2007  1:33 PM
No, Lee at SF is a pretty bad option. He will get plenty of minutes at C/PF because either Curry or Randolph will get into foul trouble.

My ideal line up:

Curry - 30 mins
Randolph - 38 mins
Balkman - 24 mins
Richardson - 30 mins
Marbury - 35 mins

Bench
Lee - 25/35 mins
Crawford - 25/35 mins
Jeffries - 10/15 mins
Collins - 10/15 mins
Chandler and Morris and Jerome - around 5 mins.
Nate and Malik would not see a single minute if I were the coach.

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 30-06-2007 1:35 PM]
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6/30/2007  1:33 PM
I don't think Lee or JC will start. If Q is healthy, he will be our 2, and if JJ has improved as much as he has been said too, he will start at SF.
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6/30/2007  2:12 PM
Curry 35 mins 20 pts, 7 Rebs
Randolph 35 Mins 20 Pts, 9 rebs
Lee 25 Mins 12 pts, 10 rebs, 1 stl
QRich 28 mins 16 pts, 7 rebs, 1 stl
Marbs 35 mins 16 pts, 8 assts, 1 stl

Bench
Craw 30 mins 16 pts, 5 assts
Balk 25 mins 11 pts, 6 rebs, 2 stls, 2 blks
Collins 15 mins 6 pts, 3 assts
Malik, Morris, Cato, Nate & Jones (if he stays) get time when necessary.
Wilson will probably not see the court excpt for the rare blowout!!

I would get rid of J. James, Dickau, and probaby J. Jeffries

If Zeke can get some kind of consistant defensive effort out of these guys, we should do well in the coming season. There still may be some kind of trade sooner or later.

[Edited by - Travla on 06-30-2007 13:15]
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6/30/2007  2:22 PM
I agree with not liking Lee at SF, but the fact remains, Lee needs to play, at least, close to 30 mpg. Otherwise, we should trade him. Balk needs to play at least 25 mpg. Otherwise, we should trade him. Those are my feelings on that. I think we have a lot of players who could justify minutes, so it's going to come down to either, some guys playing out of position, or packaging them to improve in other areas.
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6/30/2007  2:25 PM
Yeah, Jefferies has no place here but he's Isiah's boy. So is Fred Jones. With that said, there's two possibilities:

If Quentin is healthy:
Curry
Randolf
Quentin
Crawford
Marbury

Not healthy:
Curry
Randolf
Jefferies
Crawford
Marbury

If Quentin AND Jefferies are on the roster and if Curry and Randolf are on the floor for big minutes, which WILL happen, then expect Lee and Balkman to have severely reduced minutes. Collins should have increased minutes with Francis gone now. Especially if it's true that Isiah really does hate Nate.
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6/30/2007  2:30 PM
Solace I agree that we have TOO MANY players that need to play some big minutes, but I think its better that we get rid of some of them than playing them out of position. In the case of Lee, as I said, I dont think he will have any problem in finding minutes. Who will take minutes away from him at PF or C from the bench? Malik? Morris? Jerome?¿?¿? I think it is safe to say that he will play around 30 minutes each night coming from the bench and especially considering Curry´s inability to stay out of foul trouble.
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6/30/2007  2:35 PM
Posted by DarkKnicks:

Solace I agree that we have TOO MANY players that need to play some big minutes, but I think its better that we get rid of some of them than playing them out of position. In the case of Lee, as I said, I dont think he will have any problem in finding minutes. Who will take minutes away from him at PF or C from the bench? Malik? Morris? Jerome?¿?¿? I think it is safe to say that he will play around 30 minutes each night coming from the bench and especially considering Curry´s inability to stay out of foul trouble.

Well, here's the thing, Curry played 35 mpg last season. Randolph played 35 mpg last season. That's already 70 mpg. There's only 96 minutes between PF and C. If NOBODY else plays those two positions except Curry, Randoph and Lee, there's 26 remaining, which isn't enough. I also think we're going to play one of our other centers (Randolph Morris or Jerome James). They won't get 0 mpg for the season. So Lee is going to have to play some minutes out of position here and there, or he won't hit 30 mpg... and really if he's not playing 30 mpg we're cutting ourselves short, and should trade him.
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6/30/2007  2:41 PM
Ok, I see your point. Well, in my ideal world, Curry would not play more than 30 minutes a game considering that the only thing he can do is score (no defense, no rebounds, no blocks, no assists, no steals), so in that case Lee would get more minutes. But if Curry is about to play 35 or more minutes per night you are right. I just hope is not the case here...
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6/30/2007  2:43 PM
I agree with that. Ideally, Curry and Zack for 30 mpg per game each would be enough. Frankly, I thought Curry was tiring too much when he played major minutes, which I think was part of the reason for his terrible defense last year.
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6/30/2007  3:03 PM
starters:

Curry
Randolph
Balkman
Collins
Steph

bench:

Crawford
Q
jones
Lee
Jeffries

Zach plays alot of 5. Curry can go back to 28-30 mpg.


[Edited by - McK1 on 30-06-2007 3:04 PM]
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6/30/2007  3:51 PM
I think this is pretty much the first half sub pattern - 2nd half is more matchups depending on the situations

0:00 - 10:00
Curry - Randolph - Jeff - Q - Marbs

10:00 - 16:00
Randolph - Lee - Balkman - Craw - Collins

16:00 - 24:00
Curry - Lee - Q - Craw - Marbs

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6/30/2007  4:55 PM
Zach will score more than Eddy. I get the feeling Fred Jones plays a lot next year.
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6/30/2007  5:20 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Zach will score more than Eddy. I get the feeling Fred Jones plays a lot next year.

Expected sequence:

Eddy offensive foul
Eddy miss layup
Zack scores
Zack scores
Zack Miss
Eddy Dunks
Eddy offensive foul
Zack scores
Zack Miss
Zack Scores
Zack scores
Zack Miss
Zack Scores
Zack Miss
Zack scores
Zack Miss
Eddy Dunks

NY down 40-55 after first half... LOL






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6/30/2007  5:48 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

I think this is pretty much the first half sub pattern - 2nd half is more matchups depending on the situations

0:00 - 10:00
Curry - Randolph - Jeff - Q - Marbs

10:00 - 16:00
Randolph - Lee - Balkman - Craw - Collins

16:00 - 24:00
Curry - Lee - Q - Craw - Marbs

that looks about right to me. but again, I don't think anyone can count too heavily on Qrich being available for more than 50 games.
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6/30/2007  6:04 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Zach will score more than Eddy. I get the feeling Fred Jones plays a lot next year.

I've always liked Fred Jones as a ball-player. good perimeter defender and attacks the rim on O his outside shot isn't pretty but it goes in sometimes
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7/1/2007  12:57 PM
i think Marbury's assist totals will go up next season w/the addition of Zach Randolph... maybe somewhere closer to 8 apg.

as for starting D Lee at SF, it's not my ideal either but i agree w/Solace that he needs to play alot next season... i like Balk in the 6th man role... depending on Q Rich's health, it will determine whether he or D Lee are the starting SF's next season... Jefferies should not see many minutes unless he proves in Summer League that he's made a huge improvement in his game, & that's highly unlikely.
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7/1/2007  12:59 PM
Marbury will probably have more pick and pop opportunities with Zach.
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7/1/2007  1:05 PM
Curry
Randolph
Balkman
Craw
Marb

I like the idea of Balk starting alongside two p[lodding scorers who don't defend very well. Balk can provide some weak side defense, and the energy we need to start the games off. I prefer Craw over Q because he gives us another solid passer/ballhandler to go along with the front line.
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