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6/22/2007  10:38 AM
Sleeper Hits Snooze Bar on the Knicks

So we're told Wilson Chandler does not expect to work out for the Knicks before next week's NBA draft. The Knicks invited the DePaul sophomore to come in during the past few weeks, but Chandler declined because of the ankle injury we told you about previously.

However, Chandler has re-scheduled workouts with a few other teams. Just not the Knicks. And Chandler doesn't plan to.

"I don't foresee us working out for the Knicks," Chandler's agent, Chris Luchey told Newsday's Ken Berger on Thursday.

Luchey did go as far as telling Berger that he re-scheduled with teams that have late-first, early-second round picks. Chandler's schedule is apparently full from now until draft day. Perhaps the Knicks could squeeze him in the morning of the draft.

If the Knicks were as high on this kid as previously reported, do they not need to see anything more from him? Do they not want to look too interested in bringing him in, thus avoiding tipping their hand to anyone selection ahead of them in the first round?

Or are they just not interested? Maybe they already know who they want and Chandler isn't it.

Or perhaps, as one person suggested to me recently, the Knicks already know they won't be using the pick. Perhaps they'll be picking for someone else in what will be a post-draft trade.

So much for the report in the Chicago Daily Herald, which quoted a source that said the Knicks had already promised Chandler they'd take him at No. 23. But Luchey, of course, has no idea where that report came from.

"I would assume that something like that would have to come from Isiah Thomas," Luchey said. "I haven't spoken with Isiah Thomas. I don't know where that story came from."

No one ever does. But if it helped get a few teams picking higher than the Knicks to put more emphasis on Chandler, then Luchey's work -- I mean, whomever's work -- was perfectly executed.

And, of course, if Chandler does happen to be there . . .

"You can print this," Luchey then said, "We wouldn't be mad at the Knicks taking him at 23."

Ugh, agents.

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UPDATE from this morning: Seems another blog, read by a notably different crowd (judging by the superior intelligence, not to mention poignancy, of the comments we get here as compared to theirs...and 50 comments by the same five guys doesn't mean it gets more traffic, by the way) got the callback on the Sean Williams thing before we did. The Knicks attended. We got scooped.

Like Denis Lemieux, the goalie in Slapshot, I feel shame.

And just like that, I'm over it.

* * *

Jon, you're right, Al Jefferson had a great second half this past season. By the end of the year, he was just as dominant in the paint as Eddy Curry. In fact, I recall the game in Boston late in the season where Jefferson had a terrific game. The No. 5 pick also has great value for a team that obviously is preparing for a major rebuild (and already has their own lottery pick at No. 7). I guess my question wasn't posed as if I thought the Knicks could offer more, it was more in disbelief that the Knicks couldn't come up with better.

I know KG, Jermaine O'Neal, Kobe Bryant and Gilbert Arenas are sexier names, but 've maintained that the Rashard Lewis situation will be the one to monitor. Just don't expect it to happen at the draft, where there will be some movement. Lewis will go on the open market on July 1 and there will be some teams that can afford to try to sign him as a free agent. But no one will be able to give him the max other than the Sonics, who then could flip him to a team that can afford to add that kind of hefty scratch to their payroll.

And thanks Jason, for your input on Sean Williams and how to keep Jamal Crawford (and thanks for shamelessly promoting your columns on realgm.com..as if you guys needed any more pub from Newsday). I don't think the Knicks would have to give up Jamal in the Lewis deal because the Sonics already have Ray Allen and I'm not sure Crawford fits. The Sonics desperately need a point guard (no, they won't take Steve Francis), but I doubt Sam Presti would be high on Nate Robinson, despite his Seattle roots. I think the Sonics would want Channing Frye and/or David Lee in anything they do. I would watch for a third team in this process.

Have a great first weekend of summer.

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6/22/2007  10:49 AM
Posted by Queeniepop:

Sleeper Hits Snooze Bar on the Knicks

So we're told Wilson Chandler does not expect to work out for the Knicks before next week's NBA draft. The Knicks invited the DePaul sophomore to come in during the past few weeks, but Chandler declined because of the ankle injury we told you about previously.

However, Chandler has re-scheduled workouts with a few other teams. Just not the Knicks. And Chandler doesn't plan to.

"I don't foresee us working out for the Knicks," Chandler's agent, Chris Luchey told Newsday's Ken Berger on Thursday.

Luchey did go as far as telling Berger that he re-scheduled with teams that have late-first, early-second round picks. Chandler's schedule is apparently full from now until draft day. Perhaps the Knicks could squeeze him in the morning of the draft.

If the Knicks were as high on this kid as previously reported, do they not need to see anything more from him? Do they not want to look too interested in bringing him in, thus avoiding tipping their hand to anyone selection ahead of them in the first round?

Or are they just not interested? Maybe they already know who they want and Chandler isn't it.

Or perhaps, as one person suggested to me recently, the Knicks already know they won't be using the pick. Perhaps they'll be picking for someone else in what will be a post-draft trade.

So much for the report in the Chicago Daily Herald, which quoted a source that said the Knicks had already promised Chandler they'd take him at No. 23. But Luchey, of course, has no idea where that report came from.

"I would assume that something like that would have to come from Isiah Thomas," Luchey said. "I haven't spoken with Isiah Thomas. I don't know where that story came from."

No one ever does. But if it helped get a few teams picking higher than the Knicks to put more emphasis on Chandler, then Luchey's work -- I mean, whomever's work -- was perfectly executed.

And, of course, if Chandler does happen to be there . . .

"You can print this," Luchey then said, "We wouldn't be mad at the Knicks taking him at 23."

Ugh, agents.

Click.

UPDATE from this morning: Seems another blog, read by a notably different crowd (judging by the superior intelligence, not to mention poignancy, of the comments we get here as compared to theirs...and 50 comments by the same five guys doesn't mean it gets more traffic, by the way) got the callback on the Sean Williams thing before we did. The Knicks attended. We got scooped.

Like Denis Lemieux, the goalie in Slapshot, I feel shame.

And just like that, I'm over it.

* * *

Jon, you're right, Al Jefferson had a great second half this past season. By the end of the year, he was just as dominant in the paint as Eddy Curry. In fact, I recall the game in Boston late in the season where Jefferson had a terrific game. The No. 5 pick also has great value for a team that obviously is preparing for a major rebuild (and already has their own lottery pick at No. 7). I guess my question wasn't posed as if I thought the Knicks could offer more, it was more in disbelief that the Knicks couldn't come up with better.

I know KG, Jermaine O'Neal, Kobe Bryant and Gilbert Arenas are sexier names, but 've maintained that the Rashard Lewis situation will be the one to monitor. Just don't expect it to happen at the draft, where there will be some movement. Lewis will go on the open market on July 1 and there will be some teams that can afford to try to sign him as a free agent. But no one will be able to give him the max other than the Sonics, who then could flip him to a team that can afford to add that kind of hefty scratch to their payroll.

And thanks Jason, for your input on Sean Williams and how to keep Jamal Crawford (and thanks for shamelessly promoting your columns on realgm.com..as if you guys needed any more pub from Newsday). I don't think the Knicks would have to give up Jamal in the Lewis deal because the Sonics already have Ray Allen and I'm not sure Crawford fits. The Sonics desperately need a point guard (no, they won't take Steve Francis), but I doubt Sam Presti would be high on Nate Robinson, despite his Seattle roots. I think the Sonics would want Channing Frye and/or David Lee in anything they do. I would watch for a third team in this process.

Have a great first weekend of summer.

Synopsis--unless the knicks trade the pick we have a deal with them @ 23 and if they have a deal--we will cover the bases by working out for teams under 23--but I don't think they will deal it--print it--

oh yeah--we did this piece as a poor attempt of subterfuge--our big mouths have given away the position already and we'll try this weak attempt of BS
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6/22/2007  10:52 AM
"I don't foresee us working out for the Knicks," Chandler's agent, Chris Luchey told Newsday's Ken Berger on Thursday.

exactly the scripted response if we did have a deal with WC. i don't think we are taking chandler, but this article didn't really say anything definitive IMO.
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6/22/2007  11:02 AM
Briggs, has Chandler worked out for the KNICKS? If not, why does this rumor persist? It sounds like the Agent created this rumor in the first place.

The agent wants his guy picked early, to make more money. This is all coming from the agent using the Knicks to make his guy get drafted higher.

We have ZERO interest in him.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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6/22/2007  11:16 AM
Posted by kam77:

Briggs, has Chandler worked out for the KNICKS? If not, why does this rumor persist? It sounds like the Agent created this rumor in the first place.

The agent wants his guy picked early, to make more money. This is all coming from the agent using the Knicks to make his guy get drafted higher.

We have ZERO interest in him.

I agree with you, Kam. Isiah seems an obvious choice to target...he picked a sleeper last year in Balkman so the agent is trying to drive Wilson Phillips value up. It makes ZERO sense that we would take a SF project with upside a la Balkman or Ariza nagain. It is unecessary esp. if we already have Balkman, paid the MLE for Jeffries, play Q at the SF and making a play for Rashard Lewis (personally, I think that Seattle would take Malik, Balkman and Frye in a deal for Shard).

I think we are going to take a PG...yes, A PG...i am betting DjSu that we will take Taurean Green

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6/22/2007  11:23 AM
Posted by Queeniepop:
Posted by kam77:

Briggs, has Chandler worked out for the KNICKS? If not, why does this rumor persist? It sounds like the Agent created this rumor in the first place.

The agent wants his guy picked early, to make more money. This is all coming from the agent using the Knicks to make his guy get drafted higher.

We have ZERO interest in him.

I agree with you, Kam. Isiah seems an obvious choice to target...he picked a sleeper last year in Balkman so the agent is trying to drive Wilson Phillips value up. It makes ZERO sense that we would take a SF project with upside a la Balkman or Ariza nagain. It is unecessary esp. if we already have Balkman, paid the MLE for Jeffries, play Q at the SF and making a play for Rashard Lewis (personally, I think that Seattle would take Malik, Balkman and Frye in a deal for Shard).

I think we are going to take a PG...yes, A PG...i am betting DjSu that we will take Taurean Green

Wilson Phillips?
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6/22/2007  11:41 AM
Promise my ars. I've been on Isiah's back just as much as Nixluva claims some of us have been, but the guy is not dumb and he knows what we need. He's not gonna choose another player based on pure athleticism, when there are other players available in the draft that can help the team, when he himself said we're picking someone from the draft, based on team need.
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6/22/2007  11:52 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Promise my ars. I've been on Isiah's back just as much as Nixluva claims some of us have been, but the guy is not dumb and he knows what we need. He's not gonna choose another player based on pure athleticism, when there are other players available in the draft that can help the team, when he himself said we're picking someone from the draft, based on team need.

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6/22/2007  11:57 AM
Posted by kam77:

Briggs, has Chandler worked out for the KNICKS? If not, why does this rumor persist? It sounds like the Agent created this rumor in the first place.

The agent wants his guy picked early, to make more money. This is all coming from the agent using the Knicks to make his guy get drafted higher.

We have ZERO interest in him.

Many picks like this are done 1-2 months ago. How do you know he hasn't worked out for the Knicks? I'm pretty sure IT hasn't called you @ your home--they will only tell the media what *they* want to tell them.
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6/22/2007  12:12 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by kam77:

Briggs, has Chandler worked out for the KNICKS? If not, why does this rumor persist? It sounds like the Agent created this rumor in the first place.

The agent wants his guy picked early, to make more money. This is all coming from the agent using the Knicks to make his guy get drafted higher.

We have ZERO interest in him.

Many picks like this are done 1-2 months ago. How do you know he hasn't worked out for the Knicks? I'm pretty sure IT hasn't called you @ your home--they will only tell the media what *they* want to tell them.


Briggs, I haven't seen your actual opinion about this pick. How would you feel about it?

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Posted by Panos:
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by kam77:

Briggs, has Chandler worked out for the KNICKS? If not, why does this rumor persist? It sounds like the Agent created this rumor in the first place.

The agent wants his guy picked early, to make more money. This is all coming from the agent using the Knicks to make his guy get drafted higher.

We have ZERO interest in him.

Many picks like this are done 1-2 months ago. How do you know he hasn't worked out for the Knicks? I'm pretty sure IT hasn't called you @ your home--they will only tell the media what *they* want to tell them.


Briggs, I haven't seen your actual opinion about this pick. How would you feel about it?


I could question it in terms of what we have on our roster already. I don't see the synergy in the pick. The one thing I van bring to the table is that I have watched Uconn Depaul the last two years and Wilson Chandler does not stick out in my mind. If you look back at just his BE stats over the last two years he's shooting right around 40%. I would not lock myself into this one guy where we are.

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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by kam77:

Briggs, has Chandler worked out for the KNICKS? If not, why does this rumor persist? It sounds like the Agent created this rumor in the first place.

The agent wants his guy picked early, to make more money. This is all coming from the agent using the Knicks to make his guy get drafted higher.

We have ZERO interest in him.

Many picks like this are done 1-2 months ago. How do you know he hasn't worked out for the Knicks? I'm pretty sure IT hasn't called you @ your home--they will only tell the media what *they* want to tell them.

Teams are no longer allow to workout players before pre-draft camp. Stern put this into place this season. If the Knicks indeed were found to workout Chandler before that camp it would more likely cost them money and their pick. I doubt they did work him out but scouted him.
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dj's official stance:

1. draft euro and stash him in europe
2. trade up
3. trade the pick for a future #1

if we stay at #23, then whomever we draft most likely ain't gonna play for 1-2 years. that's a waste for this team right now. too many people that need to play. mardy and balkman only played last year b/c of injuries otherwise they too would've been riding major pine. the only position where we would need a young player in 2 years is pg and this year ain't the pg draft.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-22-2007 12:40 PM]
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Posted by djsunyc:

dj's official stance:

1. draft euro and stash him in europe
2. trade up
3. trade the pick for a future #1

if we stay at #23, then whomever we draft most likely ain't gonna play for 1-2 years. that's a waste for this team right now. too many people that need to play. mardy and balkman only played last year b/c of injuries otherwise they too would've been riding major pine. the only position where we would need a young player in 2 years is pg and this year ain't the pg draft.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-22-2007 12:40 PM]

I assume you are assuming that we are not making any other moves?
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Posted by Panos:
Posted by djsunyc:

dj's official stance:

1. draft euro and stash him in europe
2. trade up
3. trade the pick for a future #1

if we stay at #23, then whomever we draft most likely ain't gonna play for 1-2 years. that's a waste for this team right now. too many people that need to play. mardy and balkman only played last year b/c of injuries otherwise they too would've been riding major pine. the only position where we would need a young player in 2 years is pg and this year ain't the pg draft.

I assume you are assuming that we are not making any other moves?

that's correct. unless i see a trade, then you have to assume this is the roster. (ie. francis is still part of this team until he's gone).
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6/22/2007  1:03 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:
Posted by kam77:

Briggs, has Chandler worked out for the KNICKS? If not, why does this rumor persist? It sounds like the Agent created this rumor in the first place.

The agent wants his guy picked early, to make more money. This is all coming from the agent using the Knicks to make his guy get drafted higher.

We have ZERO interest in him.

I agree with you, Kam. Isiah seems an obvious choice to target...he picked a sleeper last year in Balkman so the agent is trying to drive Wilson Phillips value up. It makes ZERO sense that we would take a SF project with upside a la Balkman or Ariza nagain. It is unecessary esp. if we already have Balkman, paid the MLE for Jeffries, play Q at the SF and making a play for Rashard Lewis (personally, I think that Seattle would take Malik, Balkman and Frye in a deal for Shard).

I think we are going to take a PG...yes, A PG...i am betting DjSu that we will take Taurean Green

Yea we owe his father and ex knick SIDNEY GREEN a favor.



Seriously if we keep the pick, whatever position it is we just might be shipping out a player who plays the same position.

[Edited by - playa2 on 22-06-2007 13:04]
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6/22/2007  1:07 PM
Posted by kam77:

Briggs, has Chandler worked out for the KNICKS? If not, why does this rumor persist?

One has to wonder.

The whole reason people were saying Chandler got a promise was because he supposedly canceled all his work-outs.

Now, apparently, he has rescheduled some of them. What would be the point of doing that if he did indeed receive a promise?

This rumor was BS from the get-go.
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Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by kam77:

Briggs, has Chandler worked out for the KNICKS? If not, why does this rumor persist?

One has to wonder.

The whole reason people were saying Chandler got a promise was because he supposedly canceled all his work-outs.

Now, apparently, he has rescheduled some of them. What would be the point of doing that if he did indeed receive a promise?

This rumor was BS from the get-go.

Conspiracy theory:

He canceled the work outs because Isiah did give him a guarantee. But, because its been deduced by some in the media, and written and talked so much, they decided to re-schedule the work outs to throw folks off- thus working out with late 1st round 2nd round teams- but no one directly in front of the knicks.

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