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Queeniepop
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6/18/2007  3:16 PM
More than two weeks after Kobe Bryant made his trade request to the Lakers, he still wants out, says his agent.

"Kobe's position remains unchanged," Bryant's agent Rob Pelinka told ESPN.com on Friday. "Kobe would like to be moved."

In fact, Kobe met with owner Jerry Buss on Friday and once again voiced his desire to be traded.

The question remains, will the Lakers move him? The head says no. But the scuttlebutt suggests otherwise. A number of GMs and agents around the league seem convinced that Bryant is going to be traded.


The Lakers had strong interest in trading for Jermaine O'Neal before Kobe's trade request. But that interest has cooled since then. Why? The Lakers have been saying that the Pacers' asking price (Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum and the No. 19 pick) is too high. But maybe it's because there's no need to bring in a big-money player like O'Neal and gut the team if Kobe isn't going to be around.

From what I can gather, the Lakers would have two conditions to meet in any Kobe Bryant trade:

1. They want to send him to the Eastern Conference.
2. They need a star player back in return.

The Eastern Conference preference would potentially rule out such places as Phoenix and Golden State, both of which have significant assets and interest.

And, of course, the lack of available stars would rule out just about every team in the East, including the Knicks.

Some East teams lack the star power to bid directly for Bryant. Others have stars that aren't going anywhere.

For instance, the Cavs and Heat have superstars LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, but both are untouchable. Ditto, apparently, for Dwight Howard in Orlando.

Chicago, from what I hear, is Bryant's first preference, so he probably would be willing to waive his no-trade clause to play there. While the Bulls have lots of assets, such as Ben Gordon, Luol Deng and the No. 9 pick in the draft, that package lacks true star power.

Based on my conversations with various sources around the league, I see two intriguing possibilities if the Lakers are looking for an Eastern Conference star -- the Wizards' Gilbert Arenas and the Celtics' Paul Pierce.


Scenario 1

Arenas isn't Kobe, in talent or stardom. But he is from Los Angeles, he's more than three years younger, he has great magnetism and, like Bryant, he can fill the seats.

With Arenas saying he'll opt out of his contract with Washington next summer, the Wizards might want to start looking at ways to move him now before running the risk of losing him for nothing.

Here's one potential trade, with Bryant headed to Chicago and Arenas to L.A.

The Bulls would send Gordon, Tyrus Thomas and P.J. Brown (sign-and-trade) to Washington, and the No. 9 pick to L.A.

The Lakers would send Bryant to Chicago.

The Wizards would send Arenas and Etan Thomas to L.A.

Under that scenario, which couldn't be completed until mid-July, the Lakers would get a star player (Arenas) and a high draft pick (No. 9) that, I'm told, they'd use to get Yi Jianlian if he's still on the board.

The Bulls would be paying a very high price for Kobe -- two high lottery picks and this year's No. 9. But Chicago would keep Deng, something it desperately wants to do. On the other hand, the Bulls still wouldn't have a low-post scorer.

The Wizards would avoid having to break the bank for Arenas next summer, would bring in two very talented young players and would get some serious cap relief down the road.


Scenario 2

A similar trade could work if the Lakers were willing to substitute Boston and Pierce. While Pierce is almost 30 years old, I'm told the Lakers like him -- and he's from L.A., too.

The Bulls would send Gordon, Thomas and Brown (sign-and-trade) to Boston, and the No. 9 pick to L.A.

The Lakers would send Bryant to Chicago.

The Celtics would send Pierce to L.A.

That deal would make the Celtics even younger than they already are, but it would also give them plenty of assets to continue making deals.
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6/18/2007  3:36 PM
Re-signing PJ Brown and putting him in the trade doesn't get it done I think- they'd have to pay PJ Brown like 8 mil a year. Who the hell wants PJ Brown at 8 mil a year?
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6/18/2007  3:37 PM
plus, you can't sign and trade a player unless he has at least 3 years on his deal.
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6/18/2007  3:39 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

plus, you can't sign and trade a player unless he has at least 3 years on his deal.

So in other words someone is gonna have take PJ Brown at 3 yrs/24 mil if my math is right. That's a horrible contract.
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6/18/2007  7:31 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by djsunyc:

plus, you can't sign and trade a player unless he has at least 3 years on his deal.

So in other words someone is gonna have take PJ Brown at 3 yrs/24 mil if my math is right. That's a horrible contract.


Yeah, that is Malik-esque
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6/18/2007  9:04 PM
The Kobe sweepstakes will be interesting...I don't see Chicago getting Kobe without giving up Deng...I don't see scenario 1 being good for Boston..Ainge will be canned because they will become the new LA Clippers east...Arenas replacing Kobe to play against the well stocked rosters of the western conference is a no go in my eyes...I know no matter what the Lakers do, they don't get equal value but I would demand Deng,Gordon and the 9th pick...That said...Does a roster of Kobe at 17 per yr, Hinrich at 10 per, Big Ben at 16 per and no room to sign an other player get you over the hump...Kobe has to bring it every night for this team to win...He will pack the seats in Chicago though..Gonna be interesting...


[Edited by - holfresh on 06-18-2007 9:07 PM]
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6/19/2007  12:39 AM
1. They want to send him to the Eastern Conference.
2. They need a star player back in return.

That's rediculous! A deal can be made. Since when doesn't money talk? If you don't have a star, you make it so they'll have the money to go after one.
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6/19/2007  12:41 AM
Chicago, from what I hear, is Bryant's first preference, so he probably would be willing to waive his no-trade clause to play there. While the Bulls have lots of assets, such as Ben Gordon, Luol Deng and the No. 9 pick in the draft, that package lacks true star power.

Where did you see that at? From what I been following, the chicago press sources say he's too much to get. It would break up they're team to get him. Never once did I see him say he wanted to play in chicago.
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6/19/2007  12:45 AM
Posted by holfresh:

The Kobe sweepstakes will be interesting...I don't see Chicago getting Kobe without giving up Deng...I don't see scenario 1 being good for Boston..Ainge will be canned because they will become the new LA Clippers east...Arenas replacing Kobe to play against the well stocked rosters of the western conference is a no go in my eyes...I know no matter what the Lakers do, they don't get equal value but I would demand Deng,Gordon and the 9th pick...That said...Does a roster of Kobe at 17 per yr, Hinrich at 10 per, Big Ben at 16 per and no room to sign an other player get you over the hump...Kobe has to bring it every night for this team to win...He will pack the seats in Chicago though..Gonna be interesting...


[Edited by - holfresh on 06-18-2007 9:07 PM]

It's going to come down to money and few of what we have in players. The Knicks are the only ones who can make that happen.
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6/19/2007  3:23 AM
Knicks don't have deng, or a lottery pick.

What the knicks do have is 3 solid players on their rookie contracts in channing, lee, and Nate. They still have the 23rd pick and they have malik coming off the books soon. Craw is just as talented as Gordon, maybe not as consistant.

The knicks have a great shot at this. It is a long shot but isiah has said he knows what it will take to get kobe.

Imagine if the knicks did get kobe and francis was apart of the trade. How gangsta would that be?

I'm keeping hope alive.
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6/19/2007  10:53 AM
No Kobe to the Wizards:

Sources: Kobe Won't Be A Wizard
19th June, 2007 - 10:43 am
The Washington Times -
Contrary to Internet rumors, there have been no discussions between the Washington Wizards and the Los Angeles Lakers about a possible trade involving Gilbert Arenas and Kobe Bryant, according to two league sources with knowledge of the situation.

In the days since Arenas announced he was going to opt out of the final year of his contract next summer, his name has been thrown out as one of the superstars who might be involved in a deal to acquire Bryant, who can veto any trade. Boston's Paul Pierce also has had his name connected with a possible Bryant trade, among others.

"It's ridiculous," a source said. "There have been no talks between the Wizards and the Lakers concerning Gilbert and Kobe. It's amazing. A guy gets on the elevator, hears the elevator operator talking about a trade and the next thing it's all over the Internet."
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6/19/2007  11:22 AM
"It's ridiculous," a source said. "There have been no talks between the Wizards and the Lakers concerning Gilbert and Kobe. It's amazing. A guy gets on the elevator, hears the elevator operator talking about a trade and the next thing it's all over the Internet."

LOL! hey, let's start another rumor... Apparently the Hawks have been talking to the Lakers about trading Josh Smith & their draft pick for Kobe... don't ask me where i heard it, but my sources are reliable... if the Arenas trade doesn't go through, the Lakers are ready to bounce on the Hawks' offer.
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6/19/2007  3:07 PM
Posted by TMS:
"It's ridiculous," a source said. "There have been no talks between the Wizards and the Lakers concerning Gilbert and Kobe. It's amazing. A guy gets on the elevator, hears the elevator operator talking about a trade and the next thing it's all over the Internet."

LOL! hey, let's start another rumor... Apparently the Hawks have been talking to the Lakers about trading Josh Smith & their draft pick for Kobe... don't ask me where i heard it, but my sources are reliable... if the Arenas trade doesn't go through, the Lakers are ready to bounce on the Hawks' offer.


I heard Kobe for Dirk. Makes complete sense.

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6/19/2007  3:30 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by TMS:
"It's ridiculous," a source said. "There have been no talks between the Wizards and the Lakers concerning Gilbert and Kobe. It's amazing. A guy gets on the elevator, hears the elevator operator talking about a trade and the next thing it's all over the Internet."

LOL! hey, let's start another rumor... Apparently the Hawks have been talking to the Lakers about trading Josh Smith & their draft pick for Kobe... don't ask me where i heard it, but my sources are reliable... if the Arenas trade doesn't go through, the Lakers are ready to bounce on the Hawks' offer.


I heard Kobe for Dirk. Makes complete sense.

Kobe for Lebron sounds like it's got a good chance... except for the fact that Kobe would never want to play in CLE & CLE would never trade Lebron... other than that, it works for all parties.
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6/19/2007  5:03 PM
The latest rumor is Kobe to the Bulls for two of the Bulls championships. Sounds reasonable. If it goes through, remember that MJ only won 4 titles now.
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6/19/2007  7:30 PM
LOL!
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6/19/2007  11:20 PM
If the Knicks don't make the move, chicago just might!

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/sports/ladewski/433519,191LAD1.article
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