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kevlofton
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6/17/2007  2:56 PM
If he gets traded he will pick the Knicks because.... He is a selfish player that is concerned about his legacy. Shaq winning without him hurt his ego. In chicago he will have to walk by that statue of jordan everyday and unless he wins 7 titles, they will always talk about Jordan in that town. Now in NY he can prove that he is a superstar. If he wins only 1 title in NY he would be concidered a savior. NY is the meka of basketball and he knows it plus he understands what a back to the basket center can mean. Just my thoughts but I think NY is a better fit for his career. Wishful thinking I guess.
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6/18/2007  10:11 AM
He won't go to the knicks for the fact that 1) The lakers doesn't want any of our guys maybe only lee but thats it 2) nobody wants to go to the mess that the knicks are in and 3) I think he will stay in the west because he doesn't want all that drama seeing shaq all the time in the east.
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6/18/2007  12:14 PM
Not sure if he will be a Knick but this guy is so egotistical I can see him wanting to go to NY just because Jordan flirted with questions about him being a Knick. Just another one of those I will do better then Jordan thing. Like his jersey number change from 8 to 24.
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6/18/2007  12:18 PM
that's what i'm saying bocker... succeeding in NY is the ONLY thing he can possibly do that his idol Jordan never did.
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6/18/2007  12:20 PM
Great, so in two years Kobe can opt out and take less money to become a Knick. Until then, he's just using the media to try and force the Lakers into upgrading their team for him.
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6/18/2007  12:29 PM
Posted by mattshaw78:

He won't go to the knicks for the fact that 1) The lakers doesn't want any of our guys maybe only lee but thats it 2) nobody wants to go to the mess that the knicks are in and 3) I think he will stay in the west because he doesn't want all that drama seeing shaq all the time in the east.


What about a 3-way with Kobe involved
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6/18/2007  12:47 PM
if kobe's so upset, he should approach the lakers with a proposal to void his deal.
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6/18/2007  1:53 PM
If Kobe can decide where he gets traded I could see him choosing the Knicks. I think he likes the limelight.
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6/18/2007  2:11 PM
Why would the Lakers pick the Knicks is the better question that nobody seems to have an answer for.
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6/18/2007  2:24 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Why would the Lakers pick the Knicks is the better question that nobody seems to have an answer for.

It's not about the Lakers picking the Knicks. They know that it's a deal they can make and that Kobe would accept. Besides, you make it sound like we have nothing to offer them. In an overall sense our offer isn't great, but in terms of the fact that Kobe has limited the options to 3 teams, our offer is a good one. Chicago could offer better talent, but then they'd be left with nothing but Kobe after the deal. it would also involve a total change in the plan they've had for building their team. That just doesn't seem likely. NY however doesn't have that problem We haven't been as committed to a single philosophy as they have. Right now we're still at the early stages of devleoping the team, so a major shift isn't as damaging.
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6/18/2007  2:31 PM
Posted by nixluva:

We haven't been as committed to a single philosophy

So Isiah has been here 4 years (and extended for 4 more), has exhausted every asset he's been given but has no plan.

Pathetic. Yeah, why would Kobe pick the Knicks?

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6/18/2007  2:41 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nixluva:

We haven't been as committed to a single philosophy

So Isiah has been here 4 years (and extended for 4 more), has exhausted every asset he's been given but has no plan.

Pathetic. Yeah, why would Kobe pick the Knicks?

people have gone to lengths to explain why NY would be a huge draw for Kobe on this & several other threads.
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6/18/2007  2:47 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nixluva:

We haven't been as committed to a single philosophy

So Isiah has been here 4 years (and extended for 4 more), has exhausted every asset he's been given but has no plan.

Pathetic. Yeah, why would Kobe pick the Knicks?

people have gone to lengths to explain why NY would be a huge draw for Kobe on this & several other threads.

And none of it has to do with actually winning.

If that's not a major red flag I don't know what is.
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6/18/2007  2:53 PM
see, you're just not reading... i already brought up the draw of why winning in NY over winning in Chicago would & should be a bigger draw for Kobe, but you never want to hear anyone else's opinion other than your own so why bother debating this?
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6/18/2007  3:04 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nixluva:

We haven't been as committed to a single philosophy

So Isiah has been here 4 years (and extended for 4 more), has exhausted every asset he's been given but has no plan.

Pathetic. Yeah, why would Kobe pick the Knicks?

people have gone to lengths to explain why NY would be a huge draw for Kobe on this & several other threads.

And none of it has to do with actually winning.

If that's not a major red flag I don't know what is.
If Kobe comes here, it won't be to win a championship. It will be because he's narcissistic and needs all the media attention he can get.
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6/18/2007  3:06 PM
like you care... please, enough w/the soap box preaching... if Kobe comes to NY it'll be the greatest day this franchise has seen in a long, long time.
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6/18/2007  3:12 PM
Yeah Kobe coming to the knicks will be good for the knicks and good for him. He will be so far away from the colorado ladies.
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6/18/2007  3:15 PM
Gotta agree with TMS here. Like Kobe or hate him, if the Knicks manage to get him, it's as big as the drafting of Ewing.
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6/18/2007  3:16 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nixluva:

We haven't been as committed to a single philosophy

So Isiah has been here 4 years (and extended for 4 more), has exhausted every asset he's been given but has no plan.

Pathetic. Yeah, why would Kobe pick the Knicks?

You my friend are clueless. Chi has been able to stick with their philosophy cuz they've been at it longer and without interference from the owner. Isiah has had to change the philosophy due to the Dolan factor. He wanted to retool and win now with his vets. That lasted all of 1.5 seasons. Since then Isiah's been working with the team we see now. Curry is the centerpiece of that new direction as was the move toward younger players. Last year he was able to begin to establish Curry as the focal point inside, but everything changes if you throw Kobe into the mix. Kobe wouldn't have any problem with the idea of playing with Steph and Curry.

If we don't add Kobe, the plan will continue with us looking to develop our inside out game, while improving defensively. Last year Isiah added 3 defensive players in Jared, Mardy and Balkman. He added a stronger Post player prospect in Morris. We'll have to see who he looks to draft this year, but I think we can already imagine what kind of player he'll look to get. All of this goes by the wayside if you add Kobe, but that would be the same if he went to Chi. They'd have to do a lot of restructuring and figure out what they'd need to add to complement Kobe. The difference is that Chi is further along in their plan than we are. They'd have to abandon what they've been doing to a great degree, we haven't yet really established our plan, since we just started to develop this group. You don't count the entire time Isiah has been here cuz that's just dumb. It's not the same team or plan.
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6/18/2007  3:17 PM
I'm not going to insult anyone's intelligence I want Kobe here, so my objective and impartial eye is impaired...Much in the same way that Isiah critics desperately want to throw a wet blanket on the rumor for whatever reason... A few thoughts:

---The Suns and Bulls can offer superior packages from a b-ball standpoint. But what about external forces? The league wants to see Kobe in the Garden. The Bulls and Suns are already good, and Kobe going to NY could almost singlehandedly rejuvenate the league and get people to stop talking about that dreadful Cleveland/Spurs series.

--- The Suns offer would revolve around Marion, but does that make sense? A Lakers squad led by a complementary piece like Marion does nothing for the Lakers. They might figure that its time to rebuild for a year or two. As far as young pieces go, the Knicks can offer a competitive package. A Bulls package, especially if Paxson commits, would be superior but not by much. Plus, there is no question that Kobe would rather play for the Knicks than the Bulls for reasons others have listed. He just threw the Bulls and Phx in there as a red herring.

--- In concerns with box office, Lee, if he continues to develop could become a great white hope in L.A. Crawford is an And-1 mixtape by himself. Combined with Bynum, whom they seem reluctant to trade and some high draft picks, the Lakers would presumably be a force in a couple of years. The Lakers have already won enough. Its time for them to step back for a second, just like the Yankees. Stern needs to do something about the league, and Kobe going to NY would be a major band aide. This trade could mean so much to the league.

---The Lakers practically gave away Shaq, why not Kobe? Kobe for all intents and purposes will walk in a couple of years --- why lose him for nothing?

---If the Lakers trade Bynum for either O'Neal or Garnett ---this becomes a moot point.

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