trading him is fine with me as long as we get a real quality player in return... i don't give him up for garbage just to unload his contract tho.

How about we just keep him. He is young and has proven that he can hit pressure shots. He makes his mistakes but thats just Jamal. I was speaking to a Cav fan and he said this to me about Jamal. Out of seven games, Jamal will play well in about 5 of those games, the other 2 he will just terrible. That's just Jamal, live with it. He is good talent, you only trade him if you are getting somebody really good in return.

Sometimes you have take a step back and read what your writing. You want to send him to another team where he can flourish and do all these spectacular things and excel. Why do we want to get rid of him when it's clear that he has an upside ? The team is heading is that direction, where ? A direction where he will get open shots, one where he doesn't have to carry a team. My vote is to keep him, unless a franchise talent comes along.

Posted by MS:

Yea because he is never going to be a good player with someone like isiah here, you spoke to a cavs fan, thanks for the inside info, speak to a knicks fan that actually watches this kid. He is good half the time and horrible the other half....

Isiah has given Jamal the green light, to play out of control shoot whenever he wants, and he allows him to play this way while not playing any defense, being careless with the ball and not running the offense. So where is his incentive to get better. I simply stated he could flourish in the right situation which is not with a soft coach that doesn't demand defense.

Getting rid of contracts should be this teams objective. Has Crawford ever won more than 34 games in his 6 seasons in the league. It's not really a shock when he is a primary offensive weapon the team loses.

If you could get by an defender at any time, why would you be shooting 40% at 6'5?

I normally think your rantings about Jamal are ridiculous but this one actually makes sense and I think it's true. Jamal's biggest problem is that he has only had one coach in his life try to actually coach him. The rest have just tried to capitalize on his one on one ability. Unfortunately that doesn't win games. I think under the right mentoring Jamal could have been an all-star at this point in his career. But unfortunately the reality is he still hasn't learned how to play winning basketball. I really wish we'd stop coddling these guys and actually teach them the finer points of winning basketball.

Posted by TMS:

trading him is fine with me as long as we get a real quality player in return... i don't give him up for garbage just to unload his contract tho.

I'd rather take a step back, clear his contract- give time to Mardy- or heck, Balkman at the two.

Loose a ton more games the next two years- assuming Isiah doesn't trade our lotto pick away- use those picks to get young talent- and have a chance at getting a superstar in the draft.

If Isiah had any clue what he was doing next season he would really look to banish francis and not start jamal. But we are going to have to deal with the same awful rotations again because zeke needs to get get a defender that can't defend and a pg that can't pass.

I look in this draft and i see Tucker and Strawberry who could both be very good defensive players there in the second round. We need to start renting players because you can get rid of them and open up time.

Players need stability, and crawford is an intelligent guy who i believe will listen. But when you play for the most disgraceful organization in the nba its not easy.

Lenny Wilkens, Herb Williams, Larry Brown, Isiah Thomas, Cartwright, Skiles the kid can't find his game because of the turnover in the organizations he played with.....

I watch Crawford and he needs someone that is going to pull him out of the game and say you don't want to play defense you don't play. You took a 3 with 20 on the clock sit down and run the offense. Your shooting more 3's than free throws I am not going to play you.

Right now Jamal is a closer, he comes out of the bullpen for one job and thats to make the big play with 4 minutes left, it does happen more than it doesn't but when your entire worth to a team is those 4 minutes and often times your play is the reason you are in that position your not that valuable......

Trade out of conference, if we learned anything from the Bulls, Magic and Raptors, Isiah has a lot of teams sending him fruit baskets because he is been the most valuable person to each organization

Posted by franco12:

Posted by TMS:

trading him is fine with me as long as we get a real quality player in return... i don't give him up for garbage just to unload his contract tho.

I'd rather take a step back, clear his contract- give time to Mardy- or heck, Balkman at the two.

Loose a ton more games the next two years- assuming Isiah doesn't trade our lotto pick away- use those picks to get young talent- and have a chance at getting a superstar in the draft.

and this super star will all of a sudden make us a title contender ?
Is Lebron going to clone himself or re enter the draft. This whole betting the bank on draft idea is suspect to me.

Posted by MS:

If Isiah had any clue what he was doing next season he would really look to banish francis and not start jamal. But we are going to have to deal with the same awful rotations again because zeke needs to get get a defender that can't defend and a pg that can't pass.

I look in this draft and i see Tucker and Strawberry who could both be very good defensive players there in the second round. We need to start renting players because you can get rid of them and open up time.

Players need stability, and crawford is an intelligent guy who i believe will listen. But when you play for the most disgraceful organization in the nba its not easy.

Lenny Wilkens, Herb Williams, Larry Brown, Isiah Thomas, Cartwright, Skiles the kid can't find his game because of the turnover in the organizations he played with.....

I watch Crawford and he needs someone that is going to pull him out of the game and say you don't want to play defense you don't play. You took a 3 with 20 on the clock sit down and run the offense. Your shooting more 3's than free throws I am not going to play you.

Right now Jamal is a closer, he comes out of the bullpen for one job and thats to make the big play with 4 minutes left, it does happen more than it doesn't but when your entire worth to a team is those 4 minutes and often times your play is the reason you are in that position your not that valuable......

Trade out of conference, if we learned anything from the Bulls, Magic and Raptors, Isiah has a lot of teams sending him fruit baskets because he is been the most valuable person to each organization

I would agree with this assessment with the exception of not totally blaming him for the losing. The team collectively sucked especially in the beginning. Then they started playing .500 ball and everyone looked better, it looked like they were settling down into their roles. The defense is their, we just need to get them to play it for 48 mins. They put themselves down early only to play great d, get back in the game and run out of gas.

I like your closer argument, Jamal is a closer. That is definitely worth something in the NBA, Robert Horry has made his career being a closer. Not everyone can do it, it takes special skill attitude to be able to do it as much as he does.

Live with the volume, just take smart shots, set yourself and do it closer to the basket, make sure if your going to attack your not running into a double screen and starting a fast break.....

He is a mentally weak player you bring him off the bench and he is not the same, his feelings are to easily hurt. His best role for this team is coming off the bench and being the x factor. Collins will play defense and do what he needs to, i fully expect 8pts 5rbs 4ass out of him on a regular basis. I think thats fair. Jamal I would be happy if he was in the 15pt range off the bench kinda like barbosa. Notice how bell starts over him, its about playing the right role. Something isiah hasn't really done. We need a good second unit and if isiah does this we will win a lot more

Crawford
Nate
Balkman
Lee
Frye

Lee obviously won't start but should, but i like him out there providing energy. I don't understand why isiah doesn't put more pressure on the ball he has the athletes to do it. He just needs to use his head and start acting like he knows this game. Which to date he has proven he possesses very little knowledge about brining in the right guys and playing them at the right times. And i think Frye, nate and especially crawford have suffered

he is mentally weak, outside of the last quarter, he makes bonehead decision constantly